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Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht said by urbanriot:As someone who's been evaluating the beta for months on an all-in-one touch based system and using it in final on a touch based system, drop me into the 'it fucking sucks' category.
Even with the freeware classicshell application, which brings back the start button, the OS still has serious UI issues. Care to elaborate on some specifics, especially since you've been using it on touch-type systems? -- The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. A. de Tocqueville |
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 | reply to urbanriot Is it true that, when in the desktop, you have to go to the "Metro" tiling thingy to start up programs? |
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 | Yes it is true. You move the mouse to lower left corner and the start button shows up. Then you click that Start button. Then Start screen (or metro start page) will show up, you click one of the tile - if it's a desktop application - start screen disappear back to desktop with the software loaded.
Or you could "pin" applications to task bar or make shortcuts on desktop. Or make a menu system from the taskbar with your favorite applications.
So you haven't used Windows 8? Why do you feel that you should trash it blindly? |
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| reply to markofmayhem said by markofmayhem:Exactly, so why waste the effort? No foot has been shot at all, name me that "for Windows" game released between 2010 and 2013 that can't be played on Windows 7 or Windows 8? You must have one, else your foot is fine. I can name a dozen that you wouldn't want to play (install) because it say for Windows.
I'll start with L.A. Noire |
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| reply to Boricua65 And another thing, touching the screen is like elbows on the table. you just dont do it.
It's like in the 50's you slap your wife like Elvis did on the big screen.......why slap your screen?
Maybe the lick screen is next.........lick your charms ....lol |
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| reply to howardfine said by howardfine:Is it true that, when in the desktop, you have to go to the "Metro" tiling thingy to start up programs? Without a third party program there is only one time you need see the metro screen and that is when the computer starts up. After that is very similar to a Windows 7 experience sans the start button. There are numerous third party apps that re-create the Start button and eliminate the first stop at Metro or you can brew your own using the Windows toolbar system. This is my own opinion, but I think the whole Metro thing detracts from an otherwise significant upgrade to Windows, but it isn't like you have to marry it. I haven't seen the Metro screen in days and since I am using Classicshell now, I'll probably never look at it again. |
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 | reply to Boricua65 I guess I'm kinda torn on 8 so far.
I just installed it on my home PC (new HD to avoid upgrade headaches, and if I hate it, can easily enough switch the drive out)
I really don't like the metro UI, I didn't like it when I ran the beta. It just screams "I need a touchscreen to make sense!" at me.
I don't care for apps in all honesty, this isn't a smartphone, it's a computer! Sure, they're programs, but the naming bit is just annoying to me.
Performance wise so far, the system is snappy enough, (core 2 quad / 3GB) and Windows detected all my hardware easy enough. That's pretty sweet.
No aero glass look anymore?
So after a quick run with it, I'm still torn. On the one hand, I like the way it works, but on the other, hate the way it looks. I really don't like the control options, and that "Start over" thing scares me. I'm just waiting for the viruses to be written to script that sucker.
As a tech, I feel obligated to run this to get a better feel for how it performs, so I can better handle problems when I eventually see them, but as a person that thinks 7 was damn near perfect, I see no reason to upgrade to this. |
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 sivranOpera convertPremium join:2003-09-15 Arlington, TX kudos:1 | If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods (I've tried at least four of them but always end up back at bblean personally) for a long time, and there's no reason to believe Win8 will be no different. So looks are only a temporary issue for any new Windows.
I don't really mind Metro myself. I thought I'd hate it, but so far it just doesn't bother me at all. I never even got around to trying Start8 before it went pay.
I plan to upgrade at least my desktop, possibly over the Thanksgiving holiday so I have plenty of time to fiddle with it. 
And I don't even have a touch screen and no plans to get one. -- Think Outside the Fox. |
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Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht said by sivran:If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods... The whole point of Windows 8 is the new interface so for someone to need to install, learn and run 3rd party software to make Windows 8 look better kind of defeats the whole thing. |
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| reply to captokita Anyone who lets Metro be the basis of their opinion of Windows 8 is making a huge mistake. You can like Metro and use it every day or hate it and never see it again. There is so much to Windows 8 that is new and important that I would not be overstating things if I said Windows 8 is to Windows 7 as Windows 7 is to XP. Let me list just a few improvements. 1)New Explorer with ribbons and quick access toolbar 2)Storage Spaces- A software method for adding redundant drive arrays consisting of drives of different types (SATA, USB, NAS (I think), etc.) 3)Advanced recovery options 4)Improved multi-screen support (taskbar is now useful on the 2nd screen, you can have different wallpapers on different screens) 5)Higher speed shutdowns and startups 6)Ability to Sync your computer settings across different PCs 7)Way improved file copying... you can pause a copy 8)New and improved CHKDSK 9)Secure boot (improved malware protection) From what I read, advanced rootkit protection. 10)Built in malware protection
Metro is a distraction as far as I am concerned, because all the talk of it detracts from a major improvement in the OS. Some people may like it, other might not, but if you don't like it, you can easily ignore it. My only complaint with 8 is the lack of a Start Button. Microsoft can justify the killing of Start as much as they want, but it just makes no sense to me. I'd almost be willing to bet that Windows 9 is about a year away and that will include something like a Start button. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a service pack bring it back. In the meantime it takes very little time to add some semblance of the traditional Start button to the taskbar. You can do this from within the OS or using a third party program.
Your concern about a script erasing your computer is misguided in my opinion. The same script could just as easily do what damage it wants with any prior version of Windows including erasing all your data. The fact is Windows 8 has more malware protection than any Microsoft OS before it. |
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 sivranOpera convertPremium join:2003-09-15 Arlington, TX kudos:1 | reply to howardfine said by howardfine:said by sivran:If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods... The whole point of Windows 8 is the new interface No it isn't. -- Think Outside the Fox. |
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 OctaveanPremium,MVM join:2001-03-31 New York, NY kudos:1 | reply to howardfine said by howardfine:said by sivran:If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods... The whole point of Windows 8 is the new interface so for someone to need to install, learn and run 3rd party software to make Windows 8 look better kind of defeats the whole thing. I dont think thats accurate either,
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| reply to Sindows 7 said by Sindows 7:said by markofmayhem:Exactly, so why waste the effort? No foot has been shot at all, name me that "for Windows" game released between 2010 and 2013 that can't be played on Windows 7 or Windows 8? You must have one, else your foot is fine. I can name a dozen that you wouldn't want to play (install) because it say for Windows. I'll start with L.A. Noire That game runs fine on Windows 8. Both the retail version and "Complete" version include the patch needed to run on Windows 8. Steam users of the "standard" edition without additional DLC are screwed, courtesy of Rock Star. Here's the PC patch for retail regarding the 'Social Club' causing the crashes.
The question was name one DX 11.1 game that doesn't work on Windows 7. Your foot seems remarkably healed, what a miracle. -- Show off that hardware: join Team Discovery and Team Helix |
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 | reply to howardfine howardfine - I'm pretty sure you have used OS X Launchpad. Pretend the Launchpad is the start screen for Windows. And the OS X Dock is the Windows 8 taskbar.
Now, where's the start button/menu for OS X? |
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 OctaveanPremium,MVM join:2001-03-31 New York, NY kudos:1 | Thats a fairly good analogy.
However, the OS X Launchpad only comes into play when invoked. |
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| reply to RazzyW8 said by RazzyW8 :howardfine - I'm pretty sure you have used OS X Launchpad. Pretend the Launchpad is the start screen for Windows. And the OS X Dock is the Windows 8 taskbar.
Now, where's the start button/menu for OS X? It is also remarkably similar to Unity and Gnome 3. Both UI's use full screen application controls to launch and search. Windows is a few years behind the post WIMP movement. -- Show off that hardware: join Team Discovery and Team Helix |
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 | reply to Octavean said by Octavean:Thats a fairly good analogy.
However, the OS X Launchpad only comes into play when invoked. And that has to do very little with the Start screen. The point was, OS X doesn't have a start button or start menu or anything. You'd have to use a "Finder" to launch stuff or pin it to the messy dock. OS X is really poor on this department compared to Windows 8 (and previous Windows) |
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| reply to sivran said by sivran:said by howardfine:said by sivran:If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods... The whole point of Windows 8 is the new interface No it isn't. Yeah, I shouldn't have said the whole point but, instead, a major UI feature. |
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 | reply to RazzyW8 said by RazzyW8 :howardfine - I'm pretty sure you have used OS X Launchpad. I have not. I don't own a Mac. |
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