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Blackbird
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reply to urbanriot

Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht

said by urbanriot:

As someone who's been evaluating the beta for months on an all-in-one touch based system and using it in final on a touch based system, drop me into the 'it fucking sucks' category.

Even with the freeware classicshell application, which brings back the start button, the OS still has serious UI issues.

Care to elaborate on some specifics, especially since you've been using it on touch-type systems?
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howardfine

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reply to urbanriot
Is it true that, when in the desktop, you have to go to the "Metro" tiling thingy to start up programs?


RazzyW8

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Yes it is true. You move the mouse to lower left corner and the start button shows up. Then you click that Start button. Then Start screen (or metro start page) will show up, you click one of the tile - if it's a desktop application - start screen disappear back to desktop with the software loaded.

Or you could "pin" applications to task bar or make shortcuts on desktop. Or make a menu system from the taskbar with your favorite applications.

So you haven't used Windows 8? Why do you feel that you should trash it blindly?


Cartel
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reply to markofmayhem
said by markofmayhem:

Exactly, so why waste the effort? No foot has been shot at all, name me that "for Windows" game released between 2010 and 2013 that can't be played on Windows 7 or Windows 8? You must have one, else your foot is fine.

I can name a dozen that you wouldn't want to play (install) because it say for Windows.

I'll start with L.A. Noire


Cartel
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reply to Boricua
And another thing, touching the screen is like elbows on the table.
you just dont do it.

It's like in the 50's you slap your wife like Elvis did on the big screen.......why slap your screen?

Maybe the lick screen is next.........lick your charms ....lol


Kramer
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reply to howardfine
said by howardfine:

Is it true that, when in the desktop, you have to go to the "Metro" tiling thingy to start up programs?

Without a third party program there is only one time you need see the metro screen and that is when the computer starts up. After that is very similar to a Windows 7 experience sans the start button. There are numerous third party apps that re-create the Start button and eliminate the first stop at Metro or you can brew your own using the Windows toolbar system. This is my own opinion, but I think the whole Metro thing detracts from an otherwise significant upgrade to Windows, but it isn't like you have to marry it. I haven't seen the Metro screen in days and since I am using Classicshell now, I'll probably never look at it again.


captokita
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reply to Boricua
I guess I'm kinda torn on 8 so far.

I just installed it on my home PC (new HD to avoid upgrade headaches, and if I hate it, can easily enough switch the drive out)

I really don't like the metro UI, I didn't like it when I ran the beta. It just screams "I need a touchscreen to make sense!" at me.

I don't care for apps in all honesty, this isn't a smartphone, it's a computer! Sure, they're programs, but the naming bit is just annoying to me.

Performance wise so far, the system is snappy enough, (core 2 quad / 3GB) and Windows detected all my hardware easy enough. That's pretty sweet.

No aero glass look anymore?

So after a quick run with it, I'm still torn. On the one hand, I like the way it works, but on the other, hate the way it looks. I really don't like the control options, and that "Start over" thing scares me. I'm just waiting for the viruses to be written to script that sucker.

As a tech, I feel obligated to run this to get a better feel for how it performs, so I can better handle problems when I eventually see them, but as a person that thinks 7 was damn near perfect, I see no reason to upgrade to this.


sivran
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If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods (I've tried at least four of them but always end up back at bblean personally) for a long time, and there's no reason to believe Win8 will be no different. So looks are only a temporary issue for any new Windows.

I don't really mind Metro myself. I thought I'd hate it, but so far it just doesn't bother me at all. I never even got around to trying Start8 before it went pay.

I plan to upgrade at least my desktop, possibly over the Thanksgiving holiday so I have plenty of time to fiddle with it.

And I don't even have a touch screen and no plans to get one.
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reply to sivran

Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht

said by sivran:

If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods...

The whole point of Windows 8 is the new interface so for someone to need to install, learn and run 3rd party software to make Windows 8 look better kind of defeats the whole thing.


Kramer
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reply to captokita
Anyone who lets Metro be the basis of their opinion of Windows 8 is making a huge mistake. You can like Metro and use it every day or hate it and never see it again. There is so much to Windows 8 that is new and important that I would not be overstating things if I said Windows 8 is to Windows 7 as Windows 7 is to XP. Let me list just a few improvements.
1)New Explorer with ribbons and quick access toolbar
2)Storage Spaces- A software method for adding redundant drive arrays consisting of drives of different types (SATA, USB, NAS (I think), etc.)
3)Advanced recovery options
4)Improved multi-screen support (taskbar is now useful on the 2nd screen, you can have different wallpapers on different screens)
5)Higher speed shutdowns and startups
6)Ability to Sync your computer settings across different PCs
7)Way improved file copying... you can pause a copy
8)New and improved CHKDSK
9)Secure boot (improved malware protection) From what I read, advanced rootkit protection.
10)Built in malware protection

Metro is a distraction as far as I am concerned, because all the talk of it detracts from a major improvement in the OS. Some people may like it, other might not, but if you don't like it, you can easily ignore it. My only complaint with 8 is the lack of a Start Button. Microsoft can justify the killing of Start as much as they want, but it just makes no sense to me. I'd almost be willing to bet that Windows 9 is about a year away and that will include something like a Start button. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a service pack bring it back. In the meantime it takes very little time to add some semblance of the traditional Start button to the taskbar. You can do this from within the OS or using a third party program.

Your concern about a script erasing your computer is misguided in my opinion. The same script could just as easily do what damage it wants with any prior version of Windows including erasing all your data. The fact is Windows 8 has more malware protection than any Microsoft OS before it.


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reply to howardfine
said by howardfine:

said by sivran:

If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods...

The whole point of Windows 8 is the new interface

No it isn't.
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reply to howardfine
said by howardfine:

said by sivran:

If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods...

The whole point of Windows 8 is the new interface so for someone to need to install, learn and run 3rd party software to make Windows 8 look better kind of defeats the whole thing.

I don’t think that’s accurate either,….


markofmayhem
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reply to Cartel
said by Cartel:

said by markofmayhem:

Exactly, so why waste the effort? No foot has been shot at all, name me that "for Windows" game released between 2010 and 2013 that can't be played on Windows 7 or Windows 8? You must have one, else your foot is fine.

I can name a dozen that you wouldn't want to play (install) because it say for Windows.

I'll start with L.A. Noire

That game runs fine on Windows 8. Both the retail version and "Complete" version include the patch needed to run on Windows 8. Steam users of the "standard" edition without additional DLC are screwed, courtesy of Rock Star. Here's the PC patch for retail regarding the 'Social Club' causing the crashes.

The question was name one DX 11.1 game that doesn't work on Windows 7. Your foot seems remarkably healed, what a miracle.
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RazzyW8

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reply to howardfine
howardfine - I'm pretty sure you have used OS X Launchpad. Pretend the Launchpad is the start screen for Windows. And the OS X Dock is the Windows 8 taskbar.

Now, where's the start button/menu for OS X?


Octavean
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That’s a fairly good analogy.

However, the OS X Launchpad only comes into play when invoked.


markofmayhem
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reply to RazzyW8
said by RazzyW8 :

howardfine - I'm pretty sure you have used OS X Launchpad. Pretend the Launchpad is the start screen for Windows. And the OS X Dock is the Windows 8 taskbar.

Now, where's the start button/menu for OS X?

It is also remarkably similar to Unity and Gnome 3. Both UI's use full screen application controls to launch and search. Windows is a few years behind the post WIMP movement.
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RazzyW8

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reply to Octavean
said by Octavean:

That’s a fairly good analogy.

However, the OS X Launchpad only comes into play when invoked.

And that has to do very little with the Start screen. The point was, OS X doesn't have a start button or start menu or anything. You'd have to use a "Finder" to launch stuff or pin it to the messy dock. OS X is really poor on this department compared to Windows 8 (and previous Windows)


howardfine

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reply to sivran
said by sivran:

said by howardfine:

said by sivran:

If you like the way it works, but dislike the way it looks, well... there have been third-party shells and shell mods...

The whole point of Windows 8 is the new interface

No it isn't.

Yeah, I shouldn't have said the whole point but, instead, a major UI feature.


howardfine

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reply to RazzyW8
said by RazzyW8 :

howardfine - I'm pretty sure you have used OS X Launchpad.

I have not. I don't own a Mac.


RazzyW8

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reply to howardfine
It's more like a secondary UI. Start screen will launch applications for BOTH Modern (metro) and desktop Win32 applications.


Octavean
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reply to howardfine
said by howardfine:

said by RazzyW8 :

howardfine - I'm pretty sure you have used OS X Launchpad.

I have not. I don't own a Mac.

If I am not mistaken you have stated that you have an iPad. If so you are already familiar with it since the OS X Launchpad mimics the iOS icon driven interface for launching apps (scrolling home screen).


howardfine

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Yes, I have an iPad. There is a disconnect here, I think, because I have only used the browser on my freelancer's Mac and the closest I've been to Win8 is racing to a demo with a Surface in the back of a cab. I don't know the connection between icon's on an iPad and the desktop.


RazzyW8

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said by howardfine:

Yes, I have an iPad. There is a disconnect here, I think, because I have only used the browser on my freelancer's Mac and the closest I've been to Win8 is racing to a demo with a Surface in the back of a cab. I don't know the connection between icon's on an iPad and the desktop.

Why are you posting then? If you haven't used Windows 8 or Mac OS X or whatever?
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howardfine

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reply to RazzyW8

Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht

I don't know how to answer your question. I asked a question about Windows 8 previously.

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reply to Boricua
I don't understand all this pissing and moaning. Are "tech" people getting stupider or are non-tech people getting smarter?

Upgrading from 7 to 8 was as simple/complicated as any typical OS switchover. I just did upgrades where I could and new installs where I had to. No problems at all anywhere.

I swear, people aren't happy unless they're unhappy.
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reply to Boricua
It's quite interesting that MS is pricing it so cheap (e.g. a few weeks ago, Microcenter was offering retail W8-Pro upgrades for under $39). Obviously, they want us all to upgrade quite badly. IMO, I'd much rather they get to doling out the next SP for 7.
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said by Madness:

IMO, I'd much rather they get to doling out the next SP for 7.

I guess you hadn't heard the news?

»www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/24···s_7_sp2/
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RazzyW8

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reply to Madness
said by Madness:

It's quite interesting that MS is pricing it so cheap (e.g. a few weeks ago, Microcenter was offering retail W8-Pro upgrades for under $39). Obviously, they want us all to upgrade quite badly. IMO, I'd much rather they get to doling out the next SP for 7.

Because you are reading all kinds of "bad crap" about Windows 8?