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RazzyW8

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reply to howardfine

Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht

It's more like a secondary UI. Start screen will launch applications for BOTH Modern (metro) and desktop Win32 applications.


Octavean
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reply to howardfine
said by howardfine:

said by RazzyW8 :

howardfine - I'm pretty sure you have used OS X Launchpad.

I have not. I don't own a Mac.

If I am not mistaken you have stated that you have an iPad. If so you are already familiar with it since the OS X Launchpad mimics the iOS icon driven interface for launching apps (scrolling home screen).


howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
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Yes, I have an iPad. There is a disconnect here, I think, because I have only used the browser on my freelancer's Mac and the closest I've been to Win8 is racing to a demo with a Surface in the back of a cab. I don't know the connection between icon's on an iPad and the desktop.


RazzyW8

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said by howardfine:

Yes, I have an iPad. There is a disconnect here, I think, because I have only used the browser on my freelancer's Mac and the closest I've been to Win8 is racing to a demo with a Surface in the back of a cab. I don't know the connection between icon's on an iPad and the desktop.

Why are you posting then? If you haven't used Windows 8 or Mac OS X or whatever?
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howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
reply to RazzyW8

Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht

I don't know how to answer your question. I asked a question about Windows 8 previously.

Badonkadonk
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reply to Boricua
I don't understand all this pissing and moaning. Are "tech" people getting stupider or are non-tech people getting smarter?

Upgrading from 7 to 8 was as simple/complicated as any typical OS switchover. I just did upgrades where I could and new installs where I had to. No problems at all anywhere.

I swear, people aren't happy unless they're unhappy.
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Madness
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reply to Boricua
It's quite interesting that MS is pricing it so cheap (e.g. a few weeks ago, Microcenter was offering retail W8-Pro upgrades for under $39). Obviously, they want us all to upgrade quite badly. IMO, I'd much rather they get to doling out the next SP for 7.
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darcilicious
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said by Madness:

IMO, I'd much rather they get to doling out the next SP for 7.

I guess you hadn't heard the news?

»www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10/24···s_7_sp2/
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RazzyW8

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reply to Madness
said by Madness:

It's quite interesting that MS is pricing it so cheap (e.g. a few weeks ago, Microcenter was offering retail W8-Pro upgrades for under $39). Obviously, they want us all to upgrade quite badly. IMO, I'd much rather they get to doling out the next SP for 7.

Because you are reading all kinds of "bad crap" about Windows 8?


howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
Reviews:
·AT&T Southwest
reply to Madness
said by Madness:

It's quite interesting that MS is pricing it so cheap (e.g. a few weeks ago, Microcenter was offering retail W8-Pro upgrades for under $39).

Windows 8 PC sales reportedly 'well below Microsoft's internal projections'
quote:
Microsoft insider Paul Thurrott has now offered just a bit of information on how the Redmond-based company is viewing the OS' first few weeks on market. Citing one of his "most trusted sources at Microsoft," Thurrott reports that sales of Windows 8 PC's are disappointing and "well below Microsoft’s internal projections."
Here is Thurrott's article, a very interesting read.


RazzyW8

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said by howardfine:

said by Madness:

It's quite interesting that MS is pricing it so cheap (e.g. a few weeks ago, Microcenter was offering retail W8-Pro upgrades for under $39).

Windows 8 PC sales reportedly 'well below Microsoft's internal projections'
quote:
Microsoft insider Paul Thurrott has now offered just a bit of information on how the Redmond-based company is viewing the OS' first few weeks on market. Citing one of his "most trusted sources at Microsoft," Thurrott reports that sales of Windows 8 PC's are disappointing and "well below Microsoft’s internal projections."
Here is Thurrott's article, a very interesting read.

I saw it a couple days ago. I was in fact waiting for you to post this and you did

It's way too soon to tell. And it's funny Paul said he likes Windows 8 after all.

Kerodo

join:2004-05-08
We all knew this a long time ago when we first saw previews of 8. It's not too soon to tell at all. This one is going to tank, folks...
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KoRnGtL15
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reply to RazzyW8

Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht

Color me not surprised. Between living in a post tablet and Apple/Android world. MS is no longer king of the hill. Desktops are not the future any more. Same with laptops. Add in 7 being a great and stable OS. No killer reason to upgrade to 8. I personally like 8 so far and have had zero trouble with it. Got it a few days after it came out. Could this be another XP? Remember how rejected it was initially? We all seen what happened to that. BUT. I think the big thing for 8. And it kills me to say it. Its that damn Start button missing. Sooooooo many people whining and crying about it. You cant read a review that does not mention it. Also many do not like the new "Start" screen either. It has the look and touch feeling going on. Personally. If MS had given people a choice to use the "Start" button or new "Start" screen. I believe many would be much more happier. Instead MS has forced the new Start screen on everyone. The people have spoken and DO NOT like it. MS can fix it before its to late or many will wait for 9.


Kramer
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reply to RazzyW8
said by RazzyW8 :

I saw it a couple days ago. I was in fact waiting for you to post this and you did

It's way too soon to tell. And it's funny Paul said he likes Windows 8 after all.

I happen to feel exactly the same way. A really amazing improvement with a serious failure to close the deal. It would probably take a few days, to re-insert the start menu and do away with Metro if a user decides. My other minor complaint is that Windows 7 backup and File History cannot coexist. They also did away with the volume shadow copy service, which makes me wonder how backing up open files is going to go. I just get the feeling that these areas are a work in progress.

I'm actually glad to see people like Thurrott calling out Microsoft on 8. There is no way businesses are going to adopt it until the changes he suggested are made. Microsoft needs to quickly issue a service pack that fixes things for the business community, so 8 doesn't become Vista. As Thurrott said Windows 8 is no Vista, but it could easily become it.
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RazzyW8

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reply to Kerodo

Re: [WIN8] Windows 8 - best to pass it up: review Read more: ht



howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
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quote:
Windows 8 was never (primarily) about driving PC sales for the 2012 holiday season. It’s a long bet on a future in which most PCs have touch capability and many of them are tablets. As such, any current conclusions about how it’s doing are hopelessly premature.

Such things are nice to say until low sales figures come out at the next quarterly report and just look and see how patient stock holders are about the news.


RazzyW8

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Christmas is only a month away.......

MS only cares about long term market share.


howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
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said by RazzyW8 :

MS only cares about long term market share.

And stock holders only care about profits. If MS has another consecutive quarter of declining sales of Windows they won't care what the market share is.


Octavean
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reply to Boricua
When you look at Hostess going under, someone could easily come up with reasons why it happened. Some could say people started eating healthier and wouldn’t buy such junk food or something else. The reality is that there may have been a number of different contributing factors but the strike definitely had quite a bit to do with it.

Now in the case of Windows 8, you’ll have a lot of embittered hanger-on’s insisting Windows 8 is or will be a failure because of its new UI design. If Windows 8 fails (and its unclear to me what constitutes a failure since no one has bothered to define it in any real way) one simply cannot discount the decline of the PC industry as a whole with respect to the burgeoning and crowded mobile device market (nontraditional devices like tablets and phones).

So in other words people can write the history in their own minds regardless of what is actually happening or any other contributing factors. They often do so simply because they like to think they have a good understanding of what is going on in the world even if they don’t,….

Microsoft obviously has a vested interest in the PC industry and if it declines how exactly can Microsoft flourish?


howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
Eggzactly!

OZO
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reply to Octavean
said by Octavean:

Microsoft obviously has a vested interest in the PC industry and if it declines how exactly can Microsoft flourish?

And the best way under these circumstances is to shoot himself into the foot...

Suddenly, when Windows 8 has come to the market, the company has declared, that market doesn't need desktop PC anymore and everyone should use tablets now... Many "thanks" to the marketing department who developed that strategy:

1) First of all, it's not true and market will always need desktop PCs (for businesses, for heavily computing tasks at home, for games, etc)

2) Common sense dictates - you don't want to kill your cash caw intentionally (with ads and pitching death of desktop market here, there and everywhere). But that's exactly what they're doing right now.

3) In all previous versions of Windows OS marketing always pitched about how Windows Explorer looks (the bigger and the more colorful icons you see in WE - the better; the more transparency and aero effects - the better, the bigger dialog boxes - the better, etc). Every new Windows was "better" looking, than its predecessor. What is underneath the OS was not so important as how it' looked. And suddenly, in Windows 8 marketing strategy was turned up side down. No aero, no special transparency effects, and now we should return our focus from how it looks to rather OS itself.

It's funny how marketers think that they can do whatever they want with their customers. They better give a little bit of respect to customers' wishes and needs or they may loose the market share. And it looks like that's what going to happen with pushing Windows 8 on desktops. In other words, they're trying to shoot themselves into the foot...
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mozerd
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said by OZO:

Suddenly, when Windows 8 has come to the market, the company has declared, that market doesn't need desktop PC anymore and everyone should use tablets now... Many "thanks" to the marketing department who developed that strategy

A Hospital I do some work for have a large mix of computing devices -- by far tablets make up the majority of computing devices used by doctors and other workers. Still lots of desktops but in this particular Hospital PC usage are in significant decline. The very same applies to many practitioner offices everywhere I visit.
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RazzyW8

@rr.com
reply to OZO
said by OZO:

said by Octavean:

Microsoft obviously has a vested interest in the PC industry and if it declines how exactly can Microsoft flourish?

And the best way under these circumstances is to shoot himself into the foot...

Suddenly, when Windows 8 has come to the market, the company has declared, that market doesn't need desktop PC anymore and everyone should use tablets now... Many "thanks" to the marketing department who developed that strategy:

1) First of all, it's not true and market will always need desktop PCs (for businesses, for heavily computing tasks at home, for games, etc)

2) Common sense dictates - you don't want to kill your cash caw intentionally (with ads and pitching death of desktop market here, there and everywhere). But that's exactly what they're doing right now.

3) In all previous versions of Windows OS marketing always pitched about how Windows Explorer looks (the bigger and the more colorful icons you see in WE - the better; the more transparency and aero effects - the better, the bigger dialog boxes - the better, etc). Every new Windows was "better" looking, than its predecessor. What is underneath the OS was not so important as how it' looked. And suddenly, in Windows 8 marketing strategy was turned up side down. No aero, no special transparency effects, and now we should return our focus from how it looks to rather OS itself.

It's funny how marketers think that they can do whatever they want with their customers. They better give a little bit of respect to customers' wishes and needs or they may loose the market share. And it looks like that's what going to happen with pushing Windows 8 on desktops. In other words, they're trying to shoot themselves into the foot...

That's not true, you're just speculating like anyone else.

Please to use Windows 8 on your primary system before you speak.


howardfine

join:2002-08-09
Saint Louis, MO
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reply to OZO
said by OZO:

1) First of all, it's not true and market will always need desktop PCs (for businesses, for heavily computing tasks at home, for games, etc)

I keep seeing people say this but no one said the desktop is going away. What is being said, and the people who track these things show the numbers, that people more and more use a mobile device over a desktop computer for their general uses like surfing the web, email, facebook, etc. But there is a large swath of people who are dumping their desktop and using only their phones or a tablet at least.

In the web development community, the cry is, "Mobile first!" when creating sites. It has become important enough that all our sites work in the mobile arena and it's far easier to start a layout for a phone->tablet->desktop than the other way around.


Kramer
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reply to Boricua
We are going off-topic here from discussing the article mentioned and there probably isn't much more you say about it, so this thread is now closed.