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Re: cement experts - does this look right?said by Tig:Jack, it's not about making the inspector look bad. Quite the opposite, It's about peace of mind. The engineer will prescribe a sound solution and that takes the burden off the inspector.
Besides, the OP asked for expert input. Civil engineer is at the top of that food chain.
Evidently you've never encountered a vindictive inspector have you? He/she can make your life pure hell from that minute on. A "sound solution" by someone that counters the inspectors determination does not take any burden off the inspector. More like puts a chip on his shoulder. Give the inspector a chance. Good grief he/she has not even inspected it yet. |
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 stevek1949We're not in Kansas anymore
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Holy snot, that's not concrete, that's gravel with glue drizzled on. I used to be in construction administration and we would never accepted that. Contractor would be demo'ing the whole thing and starting over, or, if we were really pissed, paying for another contractor to re-do.
I'd love to see some core samples... they'd probably have to use a vacuum to get the whole core out lol. |
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said by Jack_in_VA:I'm sure if you make the inspector look bad you better not have the least thing in your construction not completely up to code. Payback is no fun if you're on the receiving end. People on here can talk tough. After all they (we) are anonymous and will suffer no consequences.
IMO the best thing for the OP is to wait for the inspection and go from there if he has to. I'm sure there are many certified experts that will gladly assist him if needed.
If the construction was new and not code compliant (per ticked off inspector), would that fall on the contractor's shoulders and not the home owner? |
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said by Beezel:said by Jack_in_VA:I'm sure if you make the inspector look bad you better not have the least thing in your construction not completely up to code. Payback is no fun if you're on the receiving end. People on here can talk tough. After all they (we) are anonymous and will suffer no consequences.
IMO the best thing for the OP is to wait for the inspection and go from there if he has to. I'm sure there are many certified experts that will gladly assist him if needed.
If the construction was new and not code compliant (per ticked off inspector), would that fall on the contractor's shoulders and not the home owner? Most definitely but in the end the contractor is working for the customer and if the contractor has problems with the AHJ's then the customer will suffer. I can tell you that if you aggravate an inspector too much you better be ready. |
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kherr
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Been there done that. We used to have problems with the plumbing inspector in this one town. He would make shit up just to fail inspections. Being Illinois, we have fairly strict state codes. A city/county may made additional requirements as long as it makes the code more restrictive than state, but you must have an ordinance to do so. The plumbers would play the game but when it would get out of hand a plumber would call his bluff. The inspector and plumber would go to Springfield and present their cases to the Department of Public Health. The DPH guy would excuse the plumber but hold back the inspector, to which he would give him an ear full. Needless to say they would get tired of this and would call the city to have him fired. They went through 6 inspectors in 4 years before they found someone that knew what they were doing. |
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Been there done that. We used to have problems with the plumbing inspector in this one town. He would make shit up just to fail inspections. Being Illinois, we have fairly strict state codes. A city/county may made additional requirements as long as it makes the code more restrictive than state, but you must have an ordinance to do so. The plumbers would play the game but when it would get out of hand a plumber would call his bluff. The inspector and plumber would go to Springfield and present their cases to the Department of Public Health. The DPH guy would excuse the plumber but hold back the inspector, to which he would give him an ear full. Needless to say they would get tired of this and would call the city to have him fired. They went through 6 inspectors in 4 years before they found someone that knew what they were doing.
Exactly what I was referring to. They can make life miserable. |
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Up here in Ontario the inspector doesn't even have to see the place for electrical. There is a list of "approved contractors" that never have their work checked out---and the places I've done suggest they should be. |
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said by MaynardKrebs:Are the sections we're looking at above or below grade?
If above grade, how much further up do they extend?
Above grade, and they go to thigh high. There is a cement footing (around 3x their width) under them with rebar that connects into these. |
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Sure I have. I had an inspector go off on me over a home I designed. I made an appointment to see him. We sat down, he backed off. I have a great relationship with that county now. If you're knowledgeable and respectful, it works out.
In the end, code is code. It's all in black and white. |
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Back on topic. I've been researching honeycombing and it's repair. Here's a thread where engineers discuss a case. » www.eng-tips.com/viewthr ··· d=230978Each case is of course different. So if it does need to be repaired, would you trust the guys who screwed up the job in the first place? |
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 AVDRespice, Adspice, Prospice
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2012-Nov-12 11:35 pm
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said by cdru:The foundation might be able to be fixed. The pier needs to be removed and completely redone.
That's my layman's opinion in the OP's state. |
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said by Jack_in_VA:Most definitely but in the end the contractor is working for the customer this said by Jack_in_VA:and if the contractor has problems with the AHJ's then the customer will suffer. I can tell you that if you aggravate an inspector too much you better be ready.
the inspector is not god, and as a civil servant, is also an employee of the owner. This being said, this should be resolved outside of the AHJ's oversight. As the owner, I would not allow it even to go to inspection, then again, I have a little experience in these sort of things. Back to your original point, having a pissed off contractor is no picnic either. |
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AVD
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2012-Nov-12 11:48 pm
These things happen even with the best contractors, (but more often with the worst) Its what the contractor does to rectify the situation that makes him a good one or a hack. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee.
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said by Rifleman:Up here in Ontario the inspector doesn't even have to see the place for electrical. There is a list of "approved contractors" that never have their work checked out---and the places I've done suggest they should be.
That's only true for a small percentage of electrical contractors - ones that have consistently over a period of years have NOT had any inspection problems. Only those contractors are permitted to self-inspect. And the ESA (Electrical Safety Authority) does do random inspections of work done by these authorized self-inspecting contractors, to ensure that they are meeting electrical code. |
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2012-Nov-13 10:49 am
After seeing some of the work a few of my fellow electrical contractors have done "on the sly", I'm all for 3rd party inspections. |
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2012-Nov-13 10:53 am
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said by AVD:the inspector is not god, and as a civil servant, is also an employee of the owner. No, he's not an employee of the owner. He's an employee of the state/city/county/whatever. You pay a permit and/or inspection fee, but that doesn't make him an employee of you. He is supposed to be unbiased and not have a dog in the fight with determining which side wins as long as the work is done to code. |
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AVDRespice, Adspice, Prospice
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AVD
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2012-Nov-13 11:15 am
said by cdru: He's an employee of the state/city/county/whatever.
which makes him an employee of the people of the state/city/county/whatever. |
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cdruGo Colts
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2012-Nov-13 11:19 am
said by AVD:which makes him an employee of the people of the state/city/county/whatever. You don't determined if he is hired/fired. You don't determine his job performance. You don't get to tell him what to do or not do. You don't set rules for his job. There is no employer-employee relationship between you and him. He works for the people, but he is not your employee. |
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AVDRespice, Adspice, Prospice
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AVD
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2012-Nov-13 11:22 am
The inspector has to give professional courtesy to the contractors, but they have to be courteous to the public too. I cannot think of any public service employee (that is not uniformed) that can get away with a vendetta against a citizen. |
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cdruGo Colts
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2012-Nov-13 11:39 am
said by AVD:I cannot think of any public service employee (that is not uniformed) that can get away with a vendetta against a citizen. EPA, IRS, FBI, Department of Health, DHS, DoD, prosecutors office, ... |
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AVonGauss
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You're talking philosophy, cdru is talking in practice. |
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 dennismurphyPut me on hold? I'll put YOU on hold
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said by AVD: I cannot think of any public service employee (that is not uniformed) that can get away with a vendetta against a citizen.
Are you SURE you live in NJ?? |
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JoelC707
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said by AVD:The inspector has to give professional courtesy to the contractors, but they have to be courteous to the public too. I cannot think of any public service employee (that is not uniformed) that can get away with a vendetta against a citizen.
While in practice I agree with you, this is the way it should be handled. Unfortunately too often it isn't handled this way. What it really boils to is do you have the money to fight "city hall"? Some do and I've seen some that have that trump card hidden up their sleeve. Trust me, you NEED that trump card if you try and take on "city hall" because otherwise they generally have the "my shit don't stink" and "I can do whatever I want" attitude that really needs to be put back in it's place. |
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 quitaccountDSLR sucks cocks
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so..........we've gone from "does this pour look ok" to fighting city hall and what a-holes inspectors are?
pour looks like shit. it needs to be redone correctly. |
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said by quitaccount:so..........we've gone from "does this pour look ok" to fighting city hall and what a-holes inspectors are?
pour looks like shit. it needs to be redone correctly.
Still choosing not to wait for the inspector? |
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dib22
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dib22
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2012-Nov-15 2:07 am
I'm still not clear who the inspector is, the house is out in an area where the county does not even have an inspector. I'll ask him when I run by there, I suspect its the future houses insurance company inspector.
Since it was only that corner and access area they will be re-inspecting it but they can start building. When I am around there I will get some pics and post em so we can see how it looks.
My understanding they are not patching it yet due to temp they keep hoping for a warm up week or some rough electrical to use a tent/heater solution.
EDIT: and that pier was a mistake in more ways than one, it isn't used by the plans, I know they had the fireplace moved so I suspect it was a remnant from that re-location. |
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Beezel
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Beezel
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2012-Nov-15 4:39 am
If there are permits then there has to be a inspector somewhere. |
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