 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA | First new site for us we are moving in. |  |  |  |  Grounding to rack |  Groudning out to tower |  Ground |  Inside hut |
Finally got keys to our new site we are leasing. We are the only Wisp on it and has a great coverage area.
1 sector, 1 PTP 2ft dish Lease -$600 per month which was negotiated down from $1200 just by asking..
We will give it a try at this site for a year to see what kind of take we get Fios is all round in the valley below but there are other areas this site sees that do not have anything more then slow if any DSL.
These are the ones we are going to target as well as ones who want to have a choice. Bandwidth will be pulled down below at a business via Time Warner fiber who will transport back to 1 Wilshire where we can get bandwidth off a Gig-e port for $2 per meg..
I plan on putting up the sector and backhaul by the end of the month to be ready for the winter months and hit it hard this X-mas season. The place where we are pulling the fiber to is already interested in buying bandwidth from us off the fiber directly which if I play my cards right they will end up paying for most circuit and I get free rent and power. Then all I do is a PTP up to the tower less then a mile away.
They have been trying for years to get fiber from Verizon and any ILEC with no success and the Time Warner feed passes right thru their property which in my book is a WIN WIN for both of us. TW said they have service to the building already as well as the Cell tower sites on the property but the MIS dept has never heard of any fiber to the buildings but we will see this next week either way its possible to get fiber there according to TW.
Retail on a 100x100 meg from Time Warner is like $5000 I am getting it for under $1000 plus my cost for bandwidth is $400 for 200 megs. I figure I can sell them bandwidth for 50x50 for like $1500-1600 maybe even more and they will be happier then pigs in you know what.. -- »www.accelwireless.com ComTrain Certified Tower Climber. Wireless and IT consultant. Proficient in Mikrotik |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA 1 edit | There used to be a radio station on the site who left recently. Now we have the rack and existing power etc. Looks like the Genset backs up power to the whole site but maybe only just the cell providers. The main electrical panel feeds right thru our portion of the building so I will be able to look further in the next week to determine which circuit goes where and if we also have generator back up which would be a nice bonus..
I did have a question on that copper ribbon ground from the base of the tower to the inside rack, who safe and reliable is that? Any suggestions for it or do you think it will be okay?
Should I also run an 8 guage ground from the rack to the main electrical feed panel?
Its about 120' tower we will be at 60' for the UBNT sector and PTP dish.
Thanks -- »www.accelwireless.com ComTrain Certified Tower Climber. Wireless and IT consultant. Proficient in Mikrotik |
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 WHT join:2010-03-26 Rosston, TX kudos:5 | copper strap is a preferred way over around wire |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA | Cool thanks I was wondering it it was okay to ground it directly to outside where all the other grounds were or if I needed to also ground to the inside utilities? |
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 | reply to viperm Keep it on the site's ground. Avoid the electrical ground if you can. I would reccomend that you do a test from the grounding rod to the strap tho with your multimeter. That ground looks old.
BTW your getting an incredible deal on your bandwidth.
Also is the cell phone company on there following Motorola R56 guidelines ? |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA | Thanks. Not sure about the cell company. Site owner had no info other then freq. |
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 | reply to viperm Fair enough, Do they have a grounding ring ?
I just noticed that grounding rod doesn't look like a 11 foot copper coated rod. I would recommend installing a new grounding rod and moving the rack's ground over to it.
That just looks like that iron rod you weld together then build forms for and poor concrete in when your building something like a bridge.
That is one sweet site.
edit: If the cell company has a grounding ring just connect your rack to it at the rod closest to the building. It will provide more protection then that. |
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 John GaltForward, MarchPremium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp kudos:5 | reply to viperm I see plenty wrong there... |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA | Well I am open to whatever you think needs to be addressed as long as it does not cost an arm and a leg..
Thanks |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA | reply to OHSrob Yes the current ground rod looks like a piece of rebar that was placed in the ground when the pad was poured. I have no idea how deep it goes. The grounds attached to it go in a couple directions and look like about 10 guage copper that go directly into the ground and possibly around. I have not investigated to much this day as I was on a time crunch. I will look further in the next couple weeks.
This is not owned or operated by a cell company they are only a tenant. I will try and dig up more from the owners of the tower maybe some old as builts or something. |
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 John GaltForward, MarchPremium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp kudos:5 | reply to viperm The rebar is a stub-up that connects to the rebar cage in the base. That is actually a pretty good ground, IF the rest of the system is done correctly (it's not).
There is a lot of scabbed-on crap there...what a mess.  |
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 John GaltForward, MarchPremium join:2004-09-30 Happy Camp kudos:5 1 edit | reply to viperm
These diagrams show what the grounding at the site should be like. You may not be able to achieve this exactly, but every effort should be made to accomplish this.
Sites that have "rent-collector" landlords rather than site managers end up looking just like your new site.
Been there, seen that, had to deal with it (I'm a licensed broadcast engineer). |
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 AMD PhreakPork eating crusaderPremium join:2003-12-14 Cell Tower kudos:1 | reply to viperm Good to see you found a nice site but that site needs major work if you want it grounded correctly.
I don't have time now to point it all out but it's bad from What I am seeing. |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA | Well nothing is stopping me from moving forward this will be our "main" site.
So I will be investing some money to correct what issues it may have or possibly get the owners to fix one or the other. I have clients who already want service. For one I will be adding my own ground buss barr outside before entry to my eq..
Hit me offline when you do have time to discuss. For now I am going to be cleaning and mounting eq in the next couple weeks while addressing any electrical needs. -- »www.accelwireless.com ComTrain Certified Tower Climber. Wireless and IT consultant. Proficient in Mikrotik |
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 | reply to viperm when I see what you are paying it makes me feel better
I am on two 10 floor highrises: one of them just asked me for 325 a month with a 75 dollar monthly increase every year.
After 5 years its 625 dollars a month: but, its not per antenna.
I reserve the right to do what I want in an area 6 x 6 : non penetrating roof mount |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA | Nice!! |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA 3 edits | reply to viperm
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Well spent several hours today setting up the backhaul and sector.. still have to do final alignments on the bachual but just eyballing it on a 4 mile shot -52 90+ CCQ not sure I can get more but we will see. It was starting to get to dark to be on the tower..
Will repost pictures directly here later.. time for church to say a few thank you's and some requests for a great new year full of wireless customers.. |
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 2 edits | reply to viperm viperm nice pics them Ubnt sectors look small compare to them cell tower sectors LOL.... |
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 vipermCarpe DiemPremium join:2002-07-09 Winchester, CA | Yep it was supposed to rain all weekend but it just got really cloudy and a few drops so I figured lets do this! |
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 | reply to viperm -92 noise in 40mhz I envy you. you can probably see upwards of 150-160 megabit's per second tcp on that link.
At only 5.8km for the link as well you are probably even within the range of airfiber.
edit: If both ends of the p2p can't see anything else 5ghz in 40mhz turn airmax off for a bit more speed. |
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