Topic 'Samsung boxes to be the new DVR' in forum 'OptimumOnline' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27717204 en Wed, 22 May 2013 09:01:36 EDT Wed, 22 May 2013 09:01:36 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27734192 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27734192 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 12:39:04 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27734015 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27734015 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 11:46:48 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27722073 said by RemyM:

said by frdrizzt:

All that being said, I don't plan on swapping my 8300 for DVR+ for a number of reasons (primarily, that I only have 1 HD TV and if I wanted to use it for multi-room I would need to make SD recordings).

You can schedule DVR+ to make both SD and HD recordings of the same show now. Also if you keep paying for your SA8300 they only charge you $5 for DVR+. You could easily try it for that price since it's just a phone call to activate or deactivate,

Yeah, I could do that; I didn't think of that. but I rarely watch TV on the SD TV anyway (because really, who wants to watch SD?). The inability to rewind live TV without either scheduling the program for recording or pausing live TV. The 4 recording streams is nice but I rarely record more than 1 thing anyway. I'll re-evaluate at some point next year when I add another HD TV to the mix, though I don't plan on carrying both physical & network DVR if I switch. I've used DVR+ off other accounts, and there have definitely been improvements, but I'm happy with what I have at the moment.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27722073 Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:45:46 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27722016 said by frdrizzt:

All that being said, I don't plan on swapping my 8300 for DVR+ for a number of reasons (primarily, that I only have 1 HD TV and if I wanted to use it for multi-room I would need to make SD recordings).

You can schedule DVR+ to make both SD and HD recordings of the same show now. Also if you keep paying for your SA8300 they only charge you $5 for DVR+. You could easily try it for that price since it's just a phone call to activate or deactivate,]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27722016 Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:24:32 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27721409 said by frdrizzt:

To me, the logical answer is that purchasing & maintaining additional DVR equipment at each customer premise, scheduling installs & uninstalls of such equipment, and the requirement of physical replacement to increase service levels (for example, they can set the DVR+ limit to 6 streams and double the storage space overnight without needing to go to single customer homes just doing upgrades in the head end). I'm sure there are a lot of costs on both sides that I wouldn't think of in a full analysis (that's why it's not my job to figure it out!) but I wouldn't imagine a remote storage option being significantly more expensive than multiple local storage options.

That certainly was CV's stated logic when they explained why they wanted and were going to do the remote storage DVR.

Still they have to install and maintain the normal cable box instead of a DVR box. I'm not really sure that adding a DVR makes the average service costs much higher. They have to maintain and debug a much more complicated system with high end disk arrays at each headend. The hourly cost for the tech/engineers that do that must be quite a bit higher than that of a field tech. Certainly if they intended to do a lot of upgrading of DVRs the ability to do it centrally would help but then again they have had the same DVR for years. Also many people who have a DVR actually just take it in and exchange it when there is a drive problem reducing the cost of maintaining those DVRs.

There is also the opportunity cost that it takes bandwidth which could be used for other services. The remote DVR does not have the same appeal to many people since it responds slower to the user so there is an opportunity cost of not having a product that some users want. Also DVR prices probably have dropped and having the remote DVR probably gave them purchasing leverage.

I'm not saying the Cost Benefit analysis has changed or that they have decided to go with the physical DVR. I'm simply pointing out some of the possible ways that the analysis could have changed. Obviously they should have known the rate of failure of the DVR versus the regular box, how many more tech visits are required with a physical DVR. What they might not have known was the amount of support and debugging the remote DVR would require. Also if the price of the DVR in the home declines it can easily change the calculation. Lastly they may have decided they need to offer more services due to the competition with FIOS and therefore felt the bandwidth requirement for the DVR was not the best use of those channels, or that they needed an in home DVR to compete.
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Advantage of a physical DVD is that when "cable" goes down(not the power), you can still access the DVR.

Physical multiroom DVR should be the standard. Cloud based option should be there too for customers who desire it. The draw would be a larger storage space capability for those going that route.

Advantage for DVR+ is that when "cable" goes down (whether power or not), you can still record your scheduled recordings for DVR+ while the service is unavailable.

said by TheWiseGuy:

said by frdrizzt:

I'm talking step backwards in terms of corporate view (money spent and years of legal fighting up to the supreme court to so quickly plan a replacement), not any pros & cons of hardware & software DVR.

Unless the cost benefit analysis has changed. They did the DVR+ because they analyzed it and decided it would cost less. If they have found costs are greater then expected to run the service or that the cost of the physical DVR has gone down or even that they believe they are losing revenue without a physical DVR then as a corporation they must change their strategy.

To me, the logical answer is that purchasing & maintaining additional DVR equipment at each customer premise, scheduling installs & uninstalls of such equipment, and the requirement of physical replacement to increase service levels (for example, they can set the DVR+ limit to 6 streams and double the storage space overnight without needing to go to single customer homes just doing upgrades in the head end). I'm sure there are a lot of costs on both sides that I wouldn't think of in a full analysis (that's why it's not my job to figure it out!) but I wouldn't imagine a remote storage option being significantly more expensive than multiple local storage options.

All that being said, I don't plan on swapping my 8300 for DVR+ for a number of reasons (primarily, that I only have 1 HD TV and if I wanted to use it for multi-room I would need to make SD recordings).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27720845 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:10:47 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27720128 said by optimumtv :

Maybe they are looking at Samsung DVR. SMT-H3272.

only TWC has this box at the moment.
SMT-H3272/TWC comes with a 320GB hard disk
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Physical multiroom DVR should be the standard. Cloud based option should be there too for customers who desire it. The draw would be a larger storage space capability for those going that route.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719744 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:46:15 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719704 said by Network Guy:

$5 per box? I forget, haven't paid that pesky fee for some time. :)

I get to pay $4 for two cable cards plus the bullshit $5 premium outlet fee, which in turn gets me three PC-connected TV's with two tuners on each.

Nope $5 per house on top of the fee for the physical DVR. So I have six tuners to record on at once, (4 DVR+ and 2 SA8300) and can still get access to the interactive and on demand channels. Each option has its good and bad points.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719704 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:32:47 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719616 said by rick0204:

2 CV employees told me they are testing a new physical dvr service- not dvr +.

unless there is going to be a small QAM plant for each corp code, then there just isnt enough QAM frequencies available for DVR+.
i still dont see how there could possibly be enough QAM channels to operate DVR+ if 1,000 customers in one corp code area (like 7801) all started using their DVR+ service, there would be a "service temporarily unavailable" message displayed on the screen (think of when CV gave out the free VOD for customers and what happened).
unless the protocol for DVR+ doesnt use QAM and uses CV's walled garden intraLAN network....
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I get to pay $4 for two cable cards plus the bullshit $5 premium outlet fee, which in turn gets me three PC-connected TV's with two tuners on each.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719599 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:57:05 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719298 said by Network Guy:

DVR+ is a joke, especially for the monthly $14.95 fee. Windows HTPC all the way.

It's $10.95 unless you're like me and keep your SA8300, then it's only $5.00]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719298 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:07:04 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719266 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719266 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:58:49 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27719130 said by frdrizzt:

I'm talking step backwards in terms of corporate view

Got it, and I agree from that perspective. Of course, most of us don't really care about the corporate view. :) :)
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Why couldn't multiple samsung boxes communicate through the coax to a "master" samsung box with a hard drive to provide a multi-room capability without DVR+? Not saying they will do this, but I think it could work...

They could have done this years ago with the SA boxes but didn't.
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I'm talking step backwards in terms of corporate view (money spent and years of legal fighting up to the supreme court to so quickly plan a replacement), not any pros & cons of hardware & software DVR.

Unless the cost benefit analysis has changed. They did the DVR+ because they analyzed it and decided it would cost less. If they have found costs are greater then expected to run the service or that the cost of the physical DVR has gone down or even that they believe they are losing revenue without a physical DVR then as a corporation they must change their strategy.
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There's just about a 0% chance that CV invests all that money into DVR+ and then lots of money into a physical multi-room DVR. That's why I said it won't. It would be a total step backwards.

Depends on your perspective. I don't have any CV boxes because I want multi-room DVR, the ability to pause live TV, and ability to store as much as I want.

I'd call it a step forward.

I also think DVR+ will go away in time. Content providers will simply allow old content to be streamed through the internet (with ads), so DVR+ will be obsolete. Many already do this.
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said by frdrizzt:

There may very well be a new physical DVR in testing, but it wouldn't have multi-room capability without DVR+, and that isn't Samsung only.

Why couldn't multiple samsung boxes communicate through the coax to a "master" samsung box with a hard drive to provide a multi-room capability without DVR+? Not saying they will do this, but I think it could work...

There's just about a 0% chance that CV invests all that money into DVR+ and then lots of money into a physical multi-room DVR. That's why I said it won't. It would be a total step backwards.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718709 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:38:58 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718696 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718696 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:10:13 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718380 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718380 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:11:21 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718182
I have not heard of any talk of getting a different physical DVR.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718182 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 22:09:39 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718187 said by frdrizzt:

There may very well be a new physical DVR in testing, but it wouldn't have multi-room capability without DVR+, and that isn't Samsung only.

Why couldn't multiple samsung boxes communicate through the coax to a "master" samsung box with a hard drive to provide a multi-room capability without DVR+? Not saying they will do this, but I think it could work...
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2 CV employees told me they are testing a new physical dvr service- not dvr +.

Well, part of what you describe is the DVR+. There may very well be a new physical DVR in testing, but it wouldn't have multi-room capability without DVR+, and that isn't Samsung only.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718179 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:45:27 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718132 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718132 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:16:48 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718032 said by rick0204:

The tech said the new physical DVR will be the Samsung boxes that customers are using now. In February CV is going to enable the DVR function and phase out the SA DVR's.

The Samsung boxes "customers are using now" do not have hard drives!
How can they enable local recording in February on devices that have no hard drives?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27718032 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:36:19 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27717989 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27717989 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:22:47 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27717957 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27717957 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:13:15 EDT Re: Samsung boxes to be the new DVR http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Samsung-boxes-to-be-the-new-DVR-27717882 See Profile has posted about DVR+ in the past and certainly knows about the DVR+ service. While CV's stance on the DVR+ and Physical DVRs in the past make it seem unlikely, they may have decided there are enough people who want a physical DVR that they need to offer that option.

Stranger things have occurred.
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Samsung boxes DO NOT have hard drives!
The rest of what OP is describing is called DVR+ and is already being rolled out.

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