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TLS2000
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Mississauga, ON
reply to BigSensFan

Re: BB10 launches Jan 30

I'd say yes, but I'm still 2642 on the Rogers waiting list.

I'm going to stop at my local Rogers stores tomorrow to see if they've got any stock.
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J E F F
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reply to BigSensFan

Did you know about the boot 'easter egg'?

Basically, when booting, touch the logo, and it will give you the % booted.

Speaking of which, how is the boot time on this device?
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If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein



kingb71

join:2000-10-09
Mississauga, ON

I rebooted the demo model at Best Buy today and it was about a minute. WAY faster than my 9800, but still not lightning fast.



BigSensFan
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Whitby, ON

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reply to J E F F

said by J E F F:

Did you know about the boot 'easter egg'?

Basically, when booting, touch the logo, and it will give you the % booted.

Speaking of which, how is the boot time on this device?

I just did a timed test, 70 seconds from press of the button until it was fully loaded... to me that is acceptable

edit: did a second test and exactly 70 seconds again
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dirtyjeffer
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said by BigSensFan:

said by J E F F:

Did you know about the boot 'easter egg'?

Basically, when booting, touch the logo, and it will give you the % booted.

Speaking of which, how is the boot time on this device?

I just did a timed test, 70 seconds from press of the button until it was fully loaded... to me that is acceptable

edit: did a second test and exactly 70 seconds again

70 seconds?

why so long??...the iPhone5 takes 20 seconds to reboot.
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People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

- George Orwell


TLS2000
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Mississauga, ON

Seriously, did you have to troll that comment?

70 seconds is WAY better than the old days. I remember my 9800 took ten minutes to boot once.
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Tom



Black Box

join:2002-12-21

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reply to dirtyjeffer

said by dirtyjeffer:

70 seconds?

why so long??...the iPhone5 takes 20 seconds to reboot.

Because BB checks the cryptographic signatures of all executables loaded and iPhone just loads whatever is there.
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dirtyjeffer
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reply to TLS2000

said by TLS2000:

Seriously, did you have to troll that comment?

70 seconds is WAY better than the old days. I remember my 9800 took ten minutes to boot once.

i wasn't trolling, 70 seconds seems awfully long compared to other devices.
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Phorkster
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Windsor, ON
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reply to elwoodblues

Wow thats some great features... Click the logo, get percent booted? Booting in 70 seconds? Atleast its better than the old one?



Gone
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Fort Erie, ON
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reply to dirtyjeffer

said by dirtyjeffer:

i wasn't trolling, 70 seconds seems awfully long compared to other devices.

That's because by design - and for obvious reasons - its boot process is more complex than other device.

If they've gotten it down to 70 seconds, that's impressive. My S3 isn't much less than that.


Last Parade

join:2002-10-07
Port Colborne, ON
reply to elwoodblues

It would appear the mapping application is shite, based on OSM, and is fairly basic.



Gone
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said by Last Parade:

It would appear the mapping application is shite, based on OSM, and is fairly basic.

"Blackberry Maps" always has been shit. One of the first apps one ever installs on a Blackberry is Google Maps.


kingb71

join:2000-10-09
Mississauga, ON

now you have to sideload the android version



J E F F
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reply to dirtyjeffer

said by dirtyjeffer:

said by BigSensFan:

said by J E F F:

Did you know about the boot 'easter egg'?

Basically, when booting, touch the logo, and it will give you the % booted.

Speaking of which, how is the boot time on this device?

I just did a timed test, 70 seconds from press of the button until it was fully loaded... to me that is acceptable

edit: did a second test and exactly 70 seconds again

70 seconds?

why so long??...the iPhone5 takes 20 seconds to reboot.

Because the BlackBerry is a secure device, while the iPhone isn't.
How long before 6.1 could be jailbroken? Was it 2 days?
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If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. - Albert Einstein

Riamen
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Calgary
reply to dirtyjeffer

Are boot times really an issue anymore? My phone's on 24/7 and I go months between reboots (usually for OS updates) of my iPhone. I would expect the same for any modern smartphone. The occasional 70 second reboot shouldn't be a concern.



J E F F
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reply to BigSensFan

Oh, was going to ask, were the PlayBook apps compatible with you new phone? As in, are all your purchases there?
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J E F F
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said by Riamen:

Are boot times really an issue anymore? My phone's on 24/7 and I go months between reboots (usually for OS updates) of my iPhone. I would expect the same for any modern smartphone. The occasional 70 second reboot shouldn't be a concern.

The old BB's, hell, even the newer Curves, require a battery pull every couple days. Something eats the memory and you start to get the "clock with moving arms" popping up. Reboot is a good 4 minutes.
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Riamen
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reply to J E F F

said by J E F F:

Because the BlackBerry is a secure device, while the iPhone isn't.
How long before 6.1 could be jailbroken? Was it 2 days?

You do know the JB was months in planning. It was released on purpose to coincide with the 6.1 update. And I consider all phones insecure including BlackBerries.


kingb71

join:2000-10-09
Mississauga, ON
reply to J E F F

I have to do a simulated battery pull every night on my 9800, and then sometimes I still have to take the case apart and do a real one. What a joke.



Hydraglass
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Kingston, ON

said by kingb71:

I have to do a simulated battery pull every night on my 9800, and then sometimes I still have to take the case apart and do a real one. What a joke.

Has to be app related - my Torch9800 (running 6.0 bundle 3049 - v6.0.0.706, Platform 6.6.0.246) never needs a reboot or battery pull. I've had it for 2 years and I think I've maybe done a battery pull or "shift-alt-del" no more than 3 or 4 times in that 2 years... one of those was due to loading a bad app that would crash on launch (an "android like" finger pattern slide unlocker), one was due to a bad bluetooth file transfer that seemed to lock everything up, and one was an unknown "hard lock" - took it out of my pocket and nothing would do anything - so I pulled the battery and all was well. Other than that - I never restart it except when an app update requests it (which is maybe once a month or so at most..). I wish everything else I had required so few reboots or restarts.


urbanriot
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Canada
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reply to kingb71

said by kingb71:

I have to do a simulated battery pull every night on my 9800, and then sometimes I still have to take the case apart and do a real one. What a joke.

1. Simulated battery pull doesn't have the same effect as a real battery pull so perhaps your issue isn't being resolved.

2. Update your phone's software if you haven't. You can use newer software from other providers if you delete the vendor.xml file.

3. If neither of that fixes your problem, wipe out your apps and install them one at a time so you can figure out which app is causing you the issue.

I've had different Blackberry phones for years and I've only had to do battery pulls until I removed causing programs.


BigSensFan
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reply to Black Box

said by Black Box:

said by dirtyjeffer:

70 seconds?

why so long??...the iPhone5 takes 20 seconds to reboot.

Because BB checks the cryptographic signatures of all executables loaded and iPhone just loads whatever is there.

^^^^ What he said
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BigSensFan
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reply to J E F F

said by J E F F:

Oh, was going to ask, were the PlayBook apps compatible with you new phone? As in, are all your purchases there?

I asked that to the Blackbery support team, and they said that depended on the vendor
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kingb71

join:2000-10-09
Mississauga, ON
reply to urbanriot

thanks, I just do the battery pull to free up some memory, even though I close all my apps after I use them I use the phone so much I need to free up memory occasionally.



TLS2000
Crazy Canuck
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reply to elwoodblues

A week later and I'm at 1773 on the reservations list. Someone was saying that demand for the phone is so high that they're prioritizing sending stock to the stores rather than filling out the remaining reservations.

I've never understood why they allow people to reserve a device and then tell them that it doesn't guarantee a spot in line.

I'm probably going to cancel the reservation anyway. I just wanted to see how fast it moved. In a week I've moved about 1000 spots. If it keeps going at that rate I'll have to wait two more weeks.
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Guspaz
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Montreal, QC
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reply to elwoodblues

I had a dream on the weekend... In it, I bought a Z10, and it was really good. I'm not sure how to interpret this.
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yabos

join:2003-02-16
London, ON
reply to Black Box

said by Black Box:

said by dirtyjeffer:

70 seconds?

why so long??...the iPhone5 takes 20 seconds to reboot.

Because BB checks the cryptographic signatures of all executables loaded and iPhone just loads whatever is there.

So does iOS. The OS and related binaries are signed, although the JB process replaces the verification process to allow unsigned code to run. All the apps are verified when they are individually started, not on device boot. iPhone does not "load whatever is there", unless it's jailbroken.


dirtyjeffer
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our "on call" phone is a BB device...not sure of the model number, but it was new about 8 months ago...it's garbage...it doesn't have any apps loaded, and it needs to get a battery pull several times a week as it freezes/crashes fairly often...so much so, when one of the techs has it, he forwards the calls to his iPhone so it doesn't miss calls or freeze/crash on him when he is helping a customer.

as well, one of the guys bought a new Z10 and has already returned it twice for issues...he is giving it a 3rd try, but his patience is wearing thin.
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People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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BigSensFan
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said by dirtyjeffer:

our "on call" phone is a BB device...not sure of the model number, but it was new about 8 months ago...it's garbage...it doesn't have any apps loaded, and it needs to get a battery pull several times a week as it freezes/crashes fairly often...so much so, when one of the techs has it, he forwards the calls to his iPhone so it doesn't miss calls or freeze/crash on him when he is helping a customer.

as well, one of the guys bought a new Z10 and has already returned it twice for issues...he is giving it a 3rd try, but his patience is wearing thin.

All your friends seem to have problems with BB devices they bought..wasnt it you that had a guy buy the PB and return it several times??

What issues is he having with the Z10?
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dirtyjeffer
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yes, a few people here bought playbooks and had issues...some of them kept them though.

i will ask what the issues were with the Z10.