 alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | reply to CXM_Splicer
Re: Verizon not going to replace copper damaged by Sandy quote:
Verizon is a Service Company, and they will work with what is available to serve their Customers as fast and efficiently as possible. If there is Fiber there they will use it, if not Verizon will make plans to run Fiber or in some cases where this is not feasible existing Copper will be replaced. A Service Company is there to provide Service.
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I guess you didn't understand my first post... existing copper is NOT being replaced, that's the point. If you want to pretend that it is, why not just save yourself a step and pretend their phones are already fixed?
I said Verizon is a Service Company, and if the Copper is not being replaced there is a good reason. Fiber is a better Infrastructure, and Verizon is probably headed in that direction. quote:
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Regulations for Phone are no different whether on Copper or Fiber. Most people will not know the difference as long as they get Dial Tone.
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Wrong. FIOS is VoIP, are you familiar with it? Try and call your state PSC and tell them your Vonage or Magic Jack isn't working and you want to file a complaint.
Splicer, I know you mean well but you are way off base, FiOS Phone is not VoIP it is a form of Packet Switching. The Phone Data comes over Fiber to the Interface Equipment, and out the RJ11 Jack over the Home Copper Wiring. To the Average Person it's transparent, the Dial Tone sounds a little different. I have an Ooma Line which is VoIP and connected to my Router and the calls come over my Internet connection. Another Digital Phone is TWC that comes over Coax to their Modem...Packet Switching. quote:
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If the Fiber is there all they have to do is install the Interface Equipment and fire it up Dial Tone is there. Should be no problem.
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Well, that I almost agree with... at least those people will get dial tone back. Problem is many don't want FIOS; as was just made perfectly clear, it is unreliable in a power outage. Many don't want to be responsible for replacing a backup battery. Many don't want a large box added to the side of their house. Many don't want to wait the weeks or months it will take to get FIOS to them.
What about the people where the fiber isn't there? What should I tell them?
How about the people who aren't getting fiber and who's copper isn't getting fixed? What should I tell them? Just that it 'should be no problem'?
You are correct FiOS does have some draw backs, the biggest being Power. Sometimes progress has it's short comings, but I'm sure in the future this will be worked out. Bottom line is that Copper Equipment is obsolete and will be eliminated. If the Fiber is not there it will be laid, and like I said, if it's not feasible to run Fiber I'm sure Copper will be used. Verizon will not leave anyone without Service. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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| You are apparently unfamiliar with Verizon's Digital Voice service which is the only option for new subs (which storm victim conversions will be) and is a VoIP service. If you make a change to your account, they also will put you on DV service; like it or not.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiOS_Digital_Voice
This thread will enlighten you:
»The end of Freedom Essentials
You (and others here) claim that copper is obsolete despite the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of customers across the country still working on it. Do you work for Verizon? Shareholder perhaps? Maybe a contracted PR company? Many people (almost always with a financial interest) claim that any form of less regulation is 'progress'. Your version of progress apparently includes leaving customers without service.
For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized. THX1138 |
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| One would think with all the NOISE coming from Washington about infrastructure security that they would encourage keeping the old copper networks up and running as a backup to the new fiber networks. They do the job (voice and even limited data communications) quite well and in the case of a catastrophic failure (a small example of which we recently saw when two fiber cables were accidentally cut in the Mid West leaving much of the North West in the dark) would at least allow people to communicate. If a couple of accidental cable cuts can wreak this much havoc, what would a planned terrorist assault do?
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
join:2011-08-11
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·Verizon FiOS
| I would at least think that they would demand some kind of quality standard for reliability. Eight hours of phone service is pretty ridiculous in a disaster but they will use the 'most people have a cellphone' excuse as a way out. As we saw, cell service doesn't fare well in a disaster either. |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
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said by CXM_Splicer:You are apparently unfamiliar with Verizon's Digital Voice service which is the only option for new subs (which storm victim conversions will be) and is a VoIP service. If you make a change to your account, they also will put you on DV service; like it or not.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FiOS_Digital_Voice
You (and others here) claim that copper is obsolete despite the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of customers across the country still working on it. Do you work for Verizon? Shareholder perhaps? Maybe a contracted PR company? Many people (almost always with a financial interest) claim that any form of less regulation is 'progress'. Your version of progress apparently includes leaving customers without service.
Okay, I did some research and Verizon Digital Voice is VoIP, and Wikipedia is correct. Phone Service is all Packets, but the delivery is the difference. FiOS Digital Voice are Laser Light Signals sent over the Fiber from the C.O. Equipment to the Premise ONT and converted to Electronic Signals and then out on the RJ11 at the ONT connected to the Phone. VoIP has Voice Packets or Data coming over the Internet portion of FiOS at the ONT and out the RJ45 or Coax to the Modem/Router. Digital Phone makes for a better Quality of Voice.
I know what I am talking about, I retired from PacBell with 31 great years. I started as a young Frame Person in a Step C.O. in L.A., and retired a Second Level Service Manager in San Jose. As for Copper being obsolete, it had it's run, and you guys are correct, "It takes a Licken and keeps on Ticken." I saw Copper go through many Storms, and we kept the Dial Tone coming. That Equipment is old and has to be replaced. Things just don't last forever, no matter how much we like them. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
join:2011-08-11
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kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Somehow 'Okay, I did some research' and 'I know what I am talking about' just don't go together well:
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Verizon’s FiOS Digital Voice was always digital, but relied on central switches to route phone calls. Now the product uses Session Internet Protocols and softswitches in the home to privately manage calls on Verizon’s network which increases QoS while also reducing costs for Verizon
»gigaom.com/2010/06/04/verizons-d···ll-voip/
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Verizon has announced a VoIP-based service for its residential FiOS customers: FiOS Digital Voice has been launched in 11 states and the District of Columbia.
»www.networkworld.com/newsletters···ce1.html
said by Verizon :
3. What is Digital Voice broadband phone service?
Digital Voice is a Voice-over-Internet-Protocol (VoIP) service that offers phone service over a broadband Internet connection instead of through a traditional telephone network.
»support.verizonwireless.com/clc/···hub.html
said by the Digital Voice User Guide :
Since your FiOS Digital Voice service is VoIP-based, you aren’t
limited to a telephone number from your local area.
»www22.verizon.com/fiosvoice/user···uide.pdf
The main point that you are neglecting is that many customers will be without phone service for MONTHS while Verizon rolls out FIOS to all the effected areas. CLECs will never be reconnected. How exactly is this 'Customer Service'? |
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With everything going LTE things just got a whole lot worse for cellphone reliability from a security standpoint (see tonights news about knocking out a city's LTE network for around $700). I hate to say it, but that old copper network really has the best reliability. Little pieces could get knocked off by a tree, but it was really hard to knock out much more than a neighborhood without a LOT of work.
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | reply to CXM_Splicer
Okay Splicer, you were correct, FiOS Digital Voice is VoIP I was wrong. I corrected my previous Post. It's all Packet Data now and Convergence has taken over. The traditional PSTN is going to be a thing of the past, and I guess that is what you were saying we should keep it as a back up. I'm sure they will as long as it is possible. These old Networks come in handy in time of crisis.
As for your main concern, rolling out FiOS is going to take longer than replacing damaged Copper. I'm sure Verizon will take all this into account and will come up with a plan to provide Service to their Customers as fast as possible. The CLEC's are Customers too and Verizon will come up with a plan to take care of them. |
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Verizon will not leave anyone without Service. |
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Verizon will not leave anyone without Service.
I am a Verizon customer, and I remain without service. I have been told, effectively, to screw off; I use DSL (working, so the twisted pair is fine...) and that means POTS, not FIOS. |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | said by RudolfR:Verizon will not leave anyone without Service.
I am a Verizon customer, and I remain without service. I have been told, effectively, to screw off; I use DSL (working, so the twisted pair is fine...) and that means POTS, not FIOS.
In a crises like you have there in your area, Verizon will prioritize their work and try and to Service the most effected. Fiber is the Future Infrastructure, and if it is available Verizon will use it. You have elected to wait for the Copper to be replaced. So Verizon will take this into consideration, but will use it's resources with what is available now which is Fiber. When Verizon has time and resources to analyze the remaining un-served Customers, then the Copper may be replaced in certain areas or the Customers will be told their options. Remember Copper is old technology connected to old equipment, that will be removed eventually. |
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said by RudolfR:Verizon will not leave anyone without Service.
I am a Verizon customer, and I remain without service. I have been told, effectively, to screw off; I use DSL (working, so the twisted pair is fine...) and that means POTS, not FIOS.
Most states have a "Public Service Commission" or "Public Utilities Commission" that rule copper and certain legal requirements for copper's maintenance. Perhaps you should call yours and see if they can assist you in your situation.
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