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Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 19:00:14 EDT

graniterock posted : People get OHIP cards everyday without photo ID. They have tightened the rules over the last few years and that has caused a bit of a scramble for lost birth certificates, citizenship papers etc. Occasionally this causes real trouble if for example a citizenship status isn't what the person thought it was (it does happen with our complicated system).

As already noted this woman hasn't been denied coverage. She has been given more time to get her papers in order which is reasonable. In my experience OHIP is pretty good about giving 90 day extensions (sometimes more than once). They also have a pretty good program set up for homeless people with no ID. I suspect there is either more to the story, the family got bad advice at the counter or the family has misunderstood something.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:59:15 EDT

NCRGuy posted :

said by DKS:

said by nitzguy:

Because DKS, that's the rules. If she doesn't like it, she can move to Russia.

Which obviates the position of reasonableness. Having vouched for hundreds of people over the years on passport applications and pension applications, this strikes me as bureaucracy run amuck.

And the frequency and risks of identity theft and health care fraud have increased significantly over the years, requiring more stringent identity verification measures.

However, it seems the bureaucracy had this all sorted out and she was just impatient.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:53:55 EDT

DKS posted :

said by nitzguy:

Because DKS, that's the rules. If she doesn't like it, she can move to Russia.

Which obviates the position of reasonableness. Having vouched for hundreds of people over the years on passport applications and pension applications, this strikes me as bureaucracy run amuck.
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Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:50:54 EDT

DKS posted :

said by yyzlhr:

So we should just issue OHIP cards to anyone who walks in the door now because they probably are who they say they are?

When they can provide supporting documentation and can be vouched for, yes.
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Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:28:31 EDT

NCRGuy posted : Well, it sounds like this was all a mountain out of a mole hill. Apparently she received a letter today telling her she'd get her card. If she got it today, that means it was put in the mail last Thursday or Friday, so there was never a real issue, just overreacting.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:14:19 EDT

nitzguy posted :

said by DKS:

said by NCRGuy:

said by elwoodblues:

A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

Read the article before commenting please. She has "lots of documents", including a birth certificate and a marriage certificate. That, along with a declaration from a guarantor, should be enough to get her a photo card. Then she can get her health card.

The point is "Why should she have to do that, spend an additional $35 for the photo ID when the probability that she is who she is without photo ID is realistic and significant? And why should she have to wait longer to get the photo ID and then the OHIP card?"

Because DKS, that's the rules. If she doesn't like it, she can move to Russia.

Or, the moral of the story is, don't lose your old Red and White OHIP card. Keep it in a known safe place and don't lug it around with you...chances are if you're 96...you're not going to be out in the clubs and restaurants every night of the week.

My grandfather went nowhere for 2 years before he passed away. But he had all of his documents in 1 spot....top drawer of his dresser....smart place to put them if you ask me, I'd recommend the same to this woman.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:45:06 EDT

funny posted :

said by DavidT:

http://www.ontario.ca/government/ontario-photo-card

costs money right
now think about poor people that would have to spend 15% of the months food money on that id.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:44:32 EDT

funny posted :

said by DKS:

Looks like OHIP has egg in their face. A 96 year old woman with no photo ID. No photo ID? No health card!

quote:
A 96-year-old Ottawa woman who lost her Ontario health card says she's in a "jam" and caught up in red tape trying to get a replacement because she doesn't have proper photo identification.

Two weeks ago, Elizabeth Stead went for tests at a local clinic and discovered her health card was missing.

She was issued a 90-day temporary card, but replacing her original is proving next to impossible because she doesn't have a driver's licence or other required photo ID, according to her son, Richard Stead.

"No one ever thought through the implications when they were creating it: What to do in a case like my mother’s?" Richard Stead told CBC News.

"She has lots of documents. She has her birth certificate, her marriage certificate, proof that she came to Canada. But none of it’s good enough now unless you have a photo ID.

"And to get a photo ID, you have to have a photo ID. That’s the paradox," he added.

birth cert you say ?
and did she have proof of address and something older with a sin number on it?
that without the birth cert i got my health card....so someone is boning around or since two years they changed the rules

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:43:08 EDT

funny posted : so to solve this she gets here social worker take here to a justice of the peace
then she also goes with here and they WILL GIVE you the card

then you get a money mart prepaid visa put 65$ on it and send for your birth certificate ( yup thats 30$ extra BUT i got mine in ONE BUSINESS day this way...) then you take the birt cert and health card down to services canada and do your sin application
10 days later you got your sin card
total time to get both cards 13 business days....
longest being the sin card....of 10 business days.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:40:00 EDT

Wolfie00 posted : I suspect that the problem is related to the fact that while Service Ontario offices have some discretion related to what is acceptable documentation, they have absolutely zero discretion when it comes to the federal documentation related to citizenship or legal residency, such as passport or proof of citizenship, even though it may be "obvious" that she is who she says she is.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:34:02 EDT

yyzlhr posted :

said by DKS:

said by NCRGuy:

said by elwoodblues:

A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

So we should just issue OHIP cards to anyone who walks in the door now because they probably are who they say they are?

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:27:48 EDT

DKS posted :

said by NCRGuy:

said by elwoodblues:

A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:17:52 EDT

Thane_Bitter posted : Discover Ontario....bureaucracy.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:16:46 EDT

Anav posted : then she shouldnt have to pay taxes :-)

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:03:34 EDT

Warez_Zealot posted : That sucks. They did the right thing issuing her a temp one until she can get her ID in order though. Anyhow, this is a reason for her to go get some photo ID. Seems like she is able enough to do the foot work if she went to get a new health card.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:30:27 EDT

Jackorama posted : Something doesn't sound right about this story.

»www.health.gov.on.ca/english/pub···ard.html

Whether applying for a new or replacement health card, you must bring three original documents to prove citizenship/immigration status, residency in Ontario and identity (refer to the Ontario Health Coverage Document List(form 9998E-82)).

You may be asked for additional documents. For example, if your name has changed you may need to provide a marriage certificate or a change of name certificate.

Children older than 15� years of age must register in person and have their photo and signature captured. They will need their own original documents.

You do not need to go to a ServiceOntario centre if :

Your photo health card is lost, stolen or damaged (e.g., card is broken, magnetic stripe doesn't work)
Your child is under 15 � years of age and needs to renew his or her photo health card (refer to Renewing Your Photo Health Card)
You are 80 years of age or older and receive a notice allowing you to renew your photo health card by mail and you have no changes to name or address (refer to Renewing Your Photo Health Card)
If you need a replacement photo health card you can make your request by telephone or in writing as long as you have not changed any information as shown on the card itself, or the card has not expired.

January 2012

»www.forms.ssb.gov.on.ca/mbs/ssb/···-82E.pdf

You need 1 document from each list. There are types of non photo id in each list.
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Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:57:03 EDT

Gone posted :

said by NCRGuy:

Bingo. That is the exact path we had to go through with my sister who doesn't have a drivers license.

Though I should point out that it is by no means anywhere even remotely close to being what I would call an easy process.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:35 EDT

donoreo posted :

said by NCRGuy:

said by elwoodblues:

A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

According to what I posted above, it is. I think these people just do not know what they are doing and instead of figuring it out, they are whining to the media.
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Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:51:27 EDT

NCRGuy posted :

said by elwoodblues:

A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:44:41 EDT

donoreo posted :

said by NCRGuy:

What donoreo said. She can get the photo card, and then get her health card. Sounds like exactly the kind of situation the photo card was designed for.

That is just the list of "any one is good" here is the list of "any two of these"

List 2: 2 documents required
2 documents are required to satisfy all three data elements
Identity Documents

1. Birth Certificate issued by a Canadian or US jurisdiction8

2. Certified Copy of Marriage Certificate (issued by Ontario only)

3. Certified Copy of Statement of Live Birth (issued by Ontario only)

4. Canadian Certificate of Indian Status - issued by the Canadian Federal Government

5. Driver’s Licence or Enhanced Driver’s Licence - issued by another Canadian or a US jurisdiction

6. Identity Card - issued by a Canadian or US jurisdiction

7. Ontario health card

8. Ontario student card with signature9

9. Declaration from a Guarantor SR-LD-4010

10. Department of National Defence (DND) identity card
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The irony of common sense, it is not that common.
I cannot deny anything I did not say.
A kitten dies every time someone uses "then" and "than" incorrectly.
I mock people who give their children odd spelling of names.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:43:14 EDT

elwoodblues posted : A 98 old woman will have none of the above.

She might have a birth certificate, but it'd be so old they probably won't accept it.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:41:09 EDT

NCRGuy posted : What donoreo said. She can get the photo card, and then get her health card. Sounds like exactly the kind of situation the photo card was designed for.

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:39:21 EDT

donoreo posted :

said by DKS:

said by DavidT:

http://www.ontario.ca/government/ontario-photo-card

Link to documents is dead... which is no surprise.

um, nope. It took me to another page with pretty much had the same link and then to this page:

»www.ontario.ca/government/accept···to-card#

List 1: 1 document required
Only 1 document is required to satisfy all three data elements
Identity Documents

Legal Name1

Date of Birth

Signature

1. Passport - Canadian2

2. Passport - Foreign2

3. Canadian Citizenship Card with photo3

4. Canadian Permanent Resident Card

5. Record of Landing (Form IMM 1000)

Exceptions: see footnotes2,4

6. Confirmation of Permanent Resident Form (IMM 5292)

7. Refugee Status Claim (IMM 1434) Exception: see footnote2

8. Acknowledgement of Intent to Claim Refugee Status (IMM 7703) with photo

9. Report Pursuant to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IMM 1442) with photo5

10. Student Authorization/Study Permit (Form 1442)5

11. Employment Authorization /Work Permit (Form 1442)5

12. Visitor Record (Form 1442)5

13. Temporary Resident’s Permit (IMM 1442)5

- formerly Minister’s Permit/Extension of Minister’s Permit

14. Secure Certificate of Indian Status Card

- issued by the Canadian Federal Government

15. Driver’s Licence or Enhanced Driver’s Licence

- issued by Ontario6,7
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Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:30:25 EDT

DKS posted :

said by DavidT:

http://www.ontario.ca/government/ontario-photo-card

Link to documents is dead... which is no surprise.
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Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:16:41 EDT

DavidT posted : »www.ontario.ca/government/ontario-photo-card

Re: No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:51:55 EDT

elwoodblues posted : Sort of like US Voter ID laws that require you to have ID to get voter ID.

I love to know who comes up with these stupid rules.

No Photo ID? No Health Card For You!

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:50:31 EDT

DKS posted : Looks like OHIP has egg in their face. A 96 year old woman with no photo ID. No photo ID? No health card!

quote:
A 96-year-old Ottawa woman who lost her Ontario health card says she's in a "jam" and caught up in red tape trying to get a replacement because she doesn't have proper photo identification.

Two weeks ago, Elizabeth Stead went for tests at a local clinic and discovered her health card was missing.

She was issued a 90-day temporary card, but replacing her original is proving next to impossible because she doesn't have a driver's licence or other required photo ID, according to her son, Richard Stead.

"No one ever thought through the implications when they were creating it: What to do in a case like my mother’s?" Richard Stead told CBC News.

"She has lots of documents. She has her birth certificate, her marriage certificate, proof that she came to Canada. But none of it’s good enough now unless you have a photo ID.

"And to get a photo ID, you have to have a photo ID. That’s the paradox," he added.

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