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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Fri, 16 Nov 2012 20:00:08 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by Goober:

Even my 10, 13 and 15 year olds use it with no problem. Same for my extremely non-techie wife. I personally have no issues with it and like it quite a bit.

I guess my family and I get smarter while the confused and frustrated get . . . more confused and frustrated.

That’s largely been my experience as well although my Wife only uses OS X now.

I’ve stated in earlier threads that I believe it’s the most experienced PC / Windows users that are the most vocal and outspoken against the Windows 8 new UI. This likely stems from being pushed out of their comfort zone of experience (knowledge).

It’s the less experienced or less classically experienced users that seem to take well to the new Windows UI as well as younger users. That and the more open minded users.

The expression “you can’t teach old dogs new tricks“ came about for a reason.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:43:48 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by Goober:

Heck I voted for Obama and even I could figure it out!
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Fri, 16 Nov 2012 16:34:49 EDT

Goober posted : Even my 10, 13 and 15 year olds use it with no problem. Same for my extremely non-techie wife. I personally have no issues with it and like it quite a bit.

I guess my family and I get smarter while the confused and frustrated get . . . more confused and frustrated.
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:00:01 EDT

anon posted : Me neither.

I use 8 on my home and biz computers. Runs many many software I used on 7 including QuickBooks 2012 perfect.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:33:52 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by BillRoland:

said by JohnInSJ:

Well, I guess if you actually used it, you'd see that it has at least twice as many new features vs 7 as ML does vs Lion.

Not sure "frustration" is counted as a real feature.

Really? I've been using it every day for 8+ hours a day. I am not feeling frustration. I mean honestly, are y'all spending all day playing with your start menus?
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:07:31 EDT

EUS posted : You're right, in marketing-speak it falls under "improved customer experience".
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:02:33 EDT

BillRoland posted :

said by JohnInSJ:

Well, I guess if you actually used it, you'd see that it has at least twice as many new features vs 7 as ML does vs Lion.

Not sure "frustration" is counted as a real feature.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Thu, 15 Nov 2012 08:30:33 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by Blogger:

Windows 8 based upon my reading reports of others to be the same horse as Win 7 with just a fancier saddle to try and convince users that it's really a whole new and better horse. And they will prove it to you no matter how much it costs you.

Well, I guess if you actually used it, you'd see that it has at least twice as many new features vs 7 as ML does vs Lion. For $40 instead of $30.

Obviously, if they move to calling each minor feature add a new release, they'll need to charge only $30 or so for each upgrade.
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 21:15:03 EDT

anon posted :

said by JohnInSJ:

said by Blogger:

said by Octavean:

Releasing a new OS every year instead of ever three or so years has got to put a lot of pressure on someone.

Especially when that new every three years OS is the same as the existing OS but with just a new dress.

Works for Apple :)

But Apple still only charges less than $30

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:40:05 EDT

Blogger posted :

said by JohnInSJ:

And the suggestion is that there is a drive to move the lumbering massive three year cycle to the more nimble "lets pick a new cat name every year" cycle employed by companies with fruit logos.

When it comes to personal computers and all about them I wouldn't be considered either an expert or advanced, especially with OS X. With OS X I've learned the past three years simply by playing with it. I've yet to read anything on how to run the thing.

I have both a PC and a Mac and have used every version of Windows extensively. My knowledge of Windows 95 and 98 would have been considered at level advanced in those days. (I'm not even remotely close to those levels now.)

The above being said it is my impression that as of now the way the totality of thought and code that make up Windows would not permit the type of changes that are made by OS X. It is my impression that overall the changes in OS X that result in a change in its label, (Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion) is simply to identify the differences between them---and those differences is simply an upgrade in features, function, technology to the same basic OS underneath. One prominent feature of that is upgrades are cheap and rarely a problem and they are also functionally often not a must have. (I still run Snow Leopard fine all though I will be upgrading to Mountain Lion soon. I suspect given my future and what we see in technology in the foreseeable future it will be some time before I change from Mountain Lion.)

IMO nothing demonstrates the myriad of diverse problems with the MS way and Windows as the switch from XP to Vista. The Vista OS was a colossal failure in terms of marketing, performance, and an OS advance from XP given the public objective of MS in creating a new OS to replace XP. It is simply hard to understand how given what MS poured five years and an unprecedented number of man hours and funds to end up with Vista. A PR, business and OS failure of epic proportion when compared to what it was supposed to be and when compared to what XP was following 98/Me and how successful XP grew to be.

I can't imagine Apple ever logistically stumbling or going down the specific type of road of failure as Vista.

If MS could improve in the manner different or newer versions of OS X I certainly would be happy for them. I really like Windows 7 and think that it is a good OS plus definitely the best OS Microsoft has ever put out. Yet in release of updates such as this past Tuesday, (and such releases or more are not rare), the one Tuesday update exceeds all of the updates by a factor of three or four that I have had to apply to OS X Snow Leopard in the past three years.

Again I point that out simply to point out the "problem" with MS OS not to tout Apple OS X. I for one root for MS to see the weakness or errors of their ingrained genetic ways given their dominance in the world of the personal computer, (generic.)

Windows 8 based upon my reading reports of others to be the same horse as Win 7 with just a fancier saddle to try and convince users that it's really a whole new and better horse. And they will prove it to you no matter how much it costs you.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:58:15 EDT

JohnInSJ posted : And the suggestion is that there is a drive to move the lumbering massive three year cycle to the more nimble "lets pick a new cat name every year" cycle employed by companies with fruit logos.
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:53:28 EDT

Blogger posted : There are tremendous functional, financial, and operating differences between Microsoft Windows “new” operating systems and new Apple’s OS X "upgrades" or changes. The differences are huge. The systemic differences are why MS Windows new operating systems are all ways so controversial and compared to Apple’s upgrades Windows is also expensive and generally the upgrade process more difficult in a variety of ways by many users.

I’m not bad-mouthing MS compared to Apple I’m just using the Apple comparison to highlight, so to speak, the overall stand alone issues of a MS OS change and the costs and degree of difficulty of upgrading.

The bottom line is if for the sake of discussion there was no OS X or Apple and MS Windows stood alone in the field as the main home computer or business computer user the criticisms would remain regarding the debatable quality and need of the new OS, the price of the OS, (at full regular retail price after intros rollout specials), as well as the degree of impact of the OS on the user both in functions along with the degree of problems or hassles in upgrading by many, (not all), users as well as the mixed results by users after the upgrade!

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:24:41 EDT

Wily_One posted :

said by JohnInSJ:

said by Blogger:

said by Octavean:

Releasing a new OS every year instead of ever three or so years has got to put a lot of pressure on someone.

Especially when that new every three years OS is the same as the existing OS but with just a new dress.

Works for Apple :)

said by Octavean:

Indeed it does quite well in fact,..... ;)

Yeah but the iSheep will buy anything the minute Apple releases it. Not sure MS has the same cult following. Oh wait, all the companies still running XP... I'm sure they don't. ;)

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:33:04 EDT

brianiscool posted : Yes it is. I am not impressed with this new operating system at all.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:03:35 EDT

anon posted :

said by XBL2009:

Ballmer was worried that Sinofsky would be the next CEO, so he forced him out.

Thanks for Windows 7, the only good OS Microsoft has produced.

All NT based OS MS produced are very good OSes.

Win9x are the bad ones. (Although Windows 98 was pretty good at its time.)

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:54:38 EDT

XBL2009 posted : Ballmer was worried that Sinofsky would be the next CEO, so he forced him out.

Thanks for Windows 7, the only good OS Microsoft has produced.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:59:26 EDT

Octavean posted : There is an expression “its all Greek to me”. It simply suggests something is in a foreign language and cannot be understood by all. However, anyone that has gone to college long enough or majored in the sciences likely knows the Greek alphabet in its entirety and can literally read Greek.

Anyway, I’m going to hope that was what you intended to say or suggest by referencing “Chinese”. Otherwise it could be offensive to some people and we definitely don’t want that sort of thing.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 18:12:51 EDT

MSeng posted :

said by brianiscool:

Was the guy Chinese? The interface and design seems Chinese to me.

Sounds like a personal problem.
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:53:37 EDT

Blackbird posted :

said by dave:

... What on earth do you mean by 'the design seems chinese'?
I don't think group managers actually do the design work, though.

Only in very small operations with just a couple of people in a "group" might 'group managers' do design work... and MS certainly isn't in that class. That's a big reason why passionate "designers" resist moving into management. ;)
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:53:34 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by JohnInSJ:

said by Blogger:

said by Octavean:

Releasing a new OS every year instead of ever three or so years has got to put a lot of pressure on someone.

Especially when that new every three years OS is the same as the existing OS but with just a new dress.

Works for Apple :)

Indeed it does quite well in fact,..... ;)

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:27:39 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by Blogger:

said by Octavean:

Releasing a new OS every year instead of ever three or so years has got to put a lot of pressure on someone.

Especially when that new every three years OS is the same as the existing OS but with just a new dress.

Works for Apple :)
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:38:37 EDT

Cudni posted : more opinion on the subject
»www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/13···en_exit/

edit link

Cudni

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:27:33 EDT

dave posted : What, they don't have google where you are?

Here.

What on earth do you mean by 'the design seems chinese'?

I don't think group managers actually do the design work, though.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:17:49 EDT

brianiscool posted : Was the guy Chinese? The interface and design seems Chinese to me.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:04:04 EDT

anon posted :

said by EUS:

IMHO ribbon lady should have been the first to go, what an abomination.

I'm not sure about that. Everything I hear about Sinofsky didn't sit well. Bill Gates is behind this also.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:18:52 EDT

Link Logger posted : Sinofsky was a very interesting dude, but I don't think he made many friends at Microsoft with how he lead the Windows 8 development as it was very unlike typical Microsoft development in how internally secretive it was and I don't think that sat well with a lot of Microsoft dudes. That said 23 years at Microsoft is a long time to be at any one technical company as longevity is not a typical techie trait.

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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:01:18 EDT

EUS posted : IMHO ribbon lady should have been the first to go, what an abomination.
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:50:48 EDT

Blogger posted :

said by Octavean:

Releasing a new OS every year instead of ever three or so years has got to put a lot of pressure on someone.

Especially when that new every three years OS is the same as the existing OS but with just a new dress.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:03:01 EDT

anon posted : I don't think he'll want to post on this forum full of newbs :)

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:51:20 EDT

dave posted : Guardian:

quote:
But according to reports, there had been growing executive friction between Sinofsky and other top executives at the company. Steve Ballmer, who has been chief executive since late 1999, told staff in a memo on Monday that "Steven Sinofsky has decided to leave the company".

In a later press release, he said: "To continue [Windows'] success it is imperative that we continue to drive alignment across all Microsoft teams, and have more integrated and rapid development cycles for our offerings."

I assume the 2nd paragraph is intended to explain the 1st...

»www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20···sinofsky

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:50:30 EDT

BillRoland posted :

said by RazzyMS :

With Julie Larson-Green taking over, it's a great move.

She was responsible for Windows 7 and Windows 8 design.

I didn't know Steve Ballmer posted here :)
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 EDT

anon posted : With Julie Larson-Green taking over, it's a great move.

She was responsible for Windows 7 and Windows 8 design.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:19:12 EDT

alkizmo posted :

said by Linklist:

And corporate users don't like updates that frequently.

Too true.
I work at a bank and we still use Windows XP.
Updates are always very far behind due to the fact that they have to be verified by the corporate's IT security department.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:15:30 EDT

markofmayhem posted :

said by Linklist:

Maybe the less than enthusiastic reception of Windows 8 played a part in his leaving.

The exact opposite is the case:

said by Techpowerup

Since 1993, Larson-Green has worked on and led some of the most successful products for Microsoft, including the user experiences for early versions of Internet Explorer, and helped drive the thinking behind the refresh of the user experience for Microsoft Office. For Windows 7 and Windows 8 she was responsible for program management, user interface design and research, as well as development of all international releases. She has a master's degree in software engineering from Seattle University and a bachelor's degree in business administration from Western Washington University. In her new role she will be responsible for all future Windows product development in addition to future hardware opportunities.

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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:41:05 EDT

Octavean posted :

said by Linklist:

said by Octavean:

Ballmer was referncing a rapid development cycles for their offerings. To be competitive Microsoft would likely have to mirror Apple's annual OS upgrade cycle for both Windows and Windows RT.

Releasing a new OS every year instead of ever three or so years has got to put a lot of pressure on someone.

And corporate users don't like updates that frequently.

I don’t see the point you‘re trying to make with that statement. As it stands now with a quasi 3 yr OS upgrade cycle corporate users may still not upgrade each release. So what difference does it make if they don’t want to upgrade every year when they clearly don’t want to upgrade every three years either. The option of upgrading is still there so they simply have more options.

My only point in pointing out the possibility of an accelerated OS launch cycle is that it is conceivably more work for whomever holds such a position.

Anyway, Steven Sinofsky replacment has been named and she‘s not half bad looking:

»www.techpowerup.com/175431/Micro···cts.html

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Tue, 13 Nov 2012 08:39:42 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by Linklist:

Maybe the less than enthusiastic reception of Windows 8 played a part in his leaving.

Nope. The time was just right - end of a release cycle, not the middle. Windows 8 is actually doing quite well.
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:35:06 EDT

digitalfutur posted : Great performance only gets you so far in a large corporation, HOW you get that performance matters more.

Here's another perspective on Sinofsky's departure. MS is apparently putting an end to divisions competing against each other, and Sinofsky was no longer a good fit.

»news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57548···ldnt-be/
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:32:29 EDT

OZO posted :

said by BillRoland:

This ouster is significant. I really have no idea why he was forced out but it seems clear that he was.

May be Balmer finally got Wndows 8 on his own computer and personally tried to use it? :D
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:04:47 EDT

Guru posted : This is something unexpected specially near a product launch. Thanks for the update!

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:00:51 EDT

BillRoland posted : This ouster is significant. I really have no idea why he was forced out but it seems clear that he was.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:45:58 EDT

OZO posted : Well, I guess it's time to harvest what was seeded...

Frankly I thought, that it's going to come at next financial reports though. But who am I to make predictions... ;)
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:27:09 EDT

Linklist posted :

said by Octavean:

And corporate users don't like updates that frequently.
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Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:25:12 EDT

Octavean posted : Ballmer was referncing a rapid development cycles for their offerings. To be competitive Microsoft would likely have to mirror Apple's annual OS upgrade cycle for both Windows and Windows RT.

Releasing a new OS every year instead of ever three or so years has got to put a lot of pressure on someone.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:18:29 EDT

BillRoland posted : Very interesting.

Re: [WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:45:52 EDT

Blackbird posted :

quote:
...Sinfosky, who took the reins of Windows in 2006, after a long career in the Office unit, helped restore order and discipline to the operating system following the boondoggle of Windows Vista. In the wake of that widely-panned release, Sinofsky spearheaded the development of the largely praised Windows 7 release before turning his attention to Windows 8 – a far more radical overhaul of the software.

However, he was a divisive figure both inside and outside of the Windows group...

I suspect that last sentence carries far more weight about the parting than the reception-to-date of Win 8, short timespan that it's been to this point.
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[WIN8] Microsoft's head Windows guy leaving IMMEDIATELY

Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:53:52 EDT

Linklist posted : Microsoft and their chief Windows guy are parting ways. Was it amicable or was he forced out?

»allthingsd.com/20121112/breaking···crosoft/

Windows unit president Steven Sinofsky is leaving the company, effective immediately, AllThingsD has confirmed.

The move comes less than a month after Sinofsky presided over the launch of Windows 8 and Microsoft’s Surface tablet–products seen as key to the future if the PC software pioneer is to retain its position amid a market increasingly dominated by phones and tablets.

Sources have said the move came amid growing tension between Sinofsky and other top executives. Sinofsky, though seen as highly talented, was viewed at the top levels as not the kind of team player that the company was looking for. The move is likened by some to the recent ouster at Apple of iOS head Scott Forstall.

Officially, Microsoft is saying that the move was a mutual decision by Sinofsky and the company.

Update: In a press release, Ballmer praised Steven’s work, but also talked about a need for “more integrated and rapid development cycles for our offerings.”

Maybe the less than enthusiastic reception of Windows 8 played a part in his leaving.
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