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SCADAGeo

join:2012-11-08
N California
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reply to dsl2u

Re: Recommended alternatives to MagicJack?

said by dsl2u:

Unfortunately I'm in Canada so no Google Voice for me.

A free IPKall number (Washington area codes 206, 253, 360, and 425) SIP forwarded to a free CallCentric IP Freedom account may help you overcome some of the hurdles.

Something to keep in mind with an IPKall phone number... it must be used at least once every 30 days (call must be answered/completed).

ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA

IPKall is good, but not CallCentric SIP

said by SCADAGeo:

said by dsl2u:

Unfortunately I'm in Canada so no Google Voice for me.

A free IPKall number (Washington area codes 206, 253, 360, and 425) SIP forwarded to a free CallCentric IP Freedom account may help you overcome some of the hurdles.

Something to keep in mind with an IPKall phone number... it must be used at least once every 30 days (call must be answered/completed).

I highly advise against putting CallCentric into the mix. Especially from a SIP-registration standpoint, their servers are highly unreliable, since they have no backup power generator, and don't have geographic redundancy (all servers are in their office in New York City; CallCentric doesn't co-locate a single server in any professional-grade data centre with backup power etc); in addition, CallCentric servers don't support TCP registrations (UDP registrations are a huge battery drain on a mobile device), and also they only allow at most one device per account to register with their SIP service at any given time (e.g. you won't be able to use the same CallCentric account on a mobile phone, tablet and a home phone at the same time — if you do try that, only one of the 3 phones would ring).

OnSIP solves all of the above problems other than the lack of TCP registrations, and their basic accounts are free, too (but they still don't offer TCP registrations even as a paid service).

A good choice would be IPKall with OnSIP, with something like Acrobits Groundwire on iOS (make sure to enable APNS against OnSIP's advise, so that instead of having a direct UDP connection to OnSIP that would drain your battery in less than a day, you'd piggyback onto the APNS to have great battery life of at least a week or so).

I've heard that »CallWithUs.com does offer TCP registrations, and so does PBXes.org; they're on my list to try out with my Google Nexus 3, which, obviously, lacks APNS.


Trev
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Victoria, BC
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said by ConstantineM:

I highly advise against putting CallCentric into the mix. Especially from a SIP-registration standpoint, their servers are highly unreliable,

Is there even anything left to beat of that poor unfortunate horse?

For every ConstantineM who highly advises against CallCentric, there are 20 forum regulars who will highly recommend them.
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PX Eliezer7
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Hutt River
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said by Trev:

For every ConstantineM who highly advises against CallCentric, there are 20 forum regulars who will highly recommend them.

Indeed.

It is particularly galling that he feels that an arrangement including IPKall is a preferable alternative to CallCentric.

IPKall is housed in a single place with not even any pretense of customer support other than in a Voxilla forum. All of the things he doesn't like about CC are even more true of IPKall.

Connie was also going on and on last year about how CC caller ID display didn't include a [+] sign. Yet CC follows the same practices as a score of other providers he never carps about.

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ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA
reply to Trev

said by Trev:

Is there even anything left to beat of that poor unfortunate horse?

For every ConstantineM who highly advises against CallCentric, there are 20 forum regulars who will highly recommend them.

First of all, your proportions are completely not true. The amount of people who no longer recommend CallCentric, to those who blindly ignore the apparent problems, is not nearly 1 to 20, or not even 1 to 2 (it's probably max 1 to 1).

Second, even CC seems to be advising, or have been advising just a couple of weeks ago, to not use their SIP servers for registration due to their apparent DDoS, and to instead register a free account with some competing provider, and to forward incoming numbers to such competing provider. That's what I've been doing with my numbers with CC for a long time anyways (since they don't support simultaneous registrations), and I've been mostly unaffected by their DDoS.

With that said, what exactly is wrong with my advise as given above in my previous message? You obviously didn't quote my reasons, but it's not like I'm just bashing CallCentric for no reason whatsoever.

Lack of multiple concurrent SIP registrations alone is a good enough reason to avoid CallCentric when all you want to use is IPKall and Google Voice. I stand by my words. If they didn't want to be "beaten", maybe they should finally address the problems instead of bashing their competitors.

ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA
reply to PX Eliezer7

CO and diesel

said by PX Eliezer7:

It is particularly galling that he feels that an arrangement including IPKall is a preferable alternative to CallCentric.

IPKall is housed in a single place with not even any pretense of customer support other than in a Voxilla forum. All of the things he doesn't like about CC are even more true of IPKall.

IPKall only provide incoming phone number termination, they don't even provide SIP registrations, you have to have a SIP registration with another provider. IPKall having a second place wouldn't make much difference at all; noone here is expecting for the COs to be in the cloud.

Also, I highly doubt that IPKall doesn't have a diesel power generator; I'm pretty sure they have plenty of diesel power (but then again we were all pretty sure that CallCentric had one, too); CallCentric is probably the only major provider to lack a diesel power generator at their facilities.

ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA

IPKall locations

said by ConstantineM:

said by PX Eliezer7:

IPKall is housed in a single place

IPKall only provide incoming phone number termination, they don't even provide SIP registrations, you have to have a SIP registration with another provider. IPKall having a second place wouldn't make much difference at all; noone here is expecting for the COs to be in the cloud.

BTW, for what it is worth, there is actually no proof that IPKall is housed in a single place. It's my understanding that they have a presence at several COs; and as such, I would not be surprised if some of their numbers are serviced and terminated completely independent from others, meaning that should a single CO/DC go down, some other CO/DC would still continue to terminate at least some other numbers from other COs for at least half (etc) the customers.

Of course, it'd be interesting to know more about their actual setup.
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Davesnothere
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reply to Trev

Re: IPKall is good, but not CallCentric SIP

said by Trev:

said by ConstantineM:

I highly advise against putting CallCentric into the mix. Especially from a SIP-registration standpoint, their servers are highly unreliable,

Is there even anything left to beat of that poor unfortunate horse?

For every ConstantineM who highly advises against CallCentric, there are 20 forum regulars who will highly recommend them.

 
I see both sides' points here.

CallCentric has acknowledged (at least in this forum, thru Iscream) that the geo-redundancy and backup power limitations exist, and intention has also been stated that they will be seriously examining what improvements can be made, in what order, and how soon.

MY only comment to ConstantineM is that (s)he should take them at their word and give CC a brief 'time-out', to see what happens.

I have not read of his/her alleged past complaints against CC, nor their merit, though in principle, (s)he DOES have a point about the recent issues, IMNSHO.

But as I suggested above, let's all give CC a chance for a while, and see what they do after the small particulate content of the air comes to rest.

rblizz

join:2001-12-16
North Richland Hills, TX
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reply to ConstantineM

said by ConstantineM:

I highly advise against putting CallCentric into the mix.

You've turned into a one issue crank, Constantine. Give it a rest.

ConstantineM

join:2011-09-02
San Jose, CA

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What a bunch of trolls!

said by rblizz:

said by ConstantineM:

I highly advise against putting CallCentric into the mix.

You've turned into a one issue crank, Constantine. Give it a rest.

CallCentric themselves have been advising quite recently to not use their SIP registration servers (and use "Call Forwarding" to a SIP URI instead) due to their DDoS attack (I still haven't received a memo that this was no longer the case, BTW (but that is another topic)), yet here we are, people take what I said completely out of context, reducing it into a one-line advise that it never was!

Besides, you've obviously completely ignored the basis of my "highly advise against" advise: CallCentric disallows multiple simultaneous registrations. This is a big deal, and the reason I've never used CallCentric SIP registrations even prior to the downtime event, because in many cases, they could be highly unreliable. I use several VoIP apps on my phone, and CallCentric SIP registrations HAVE ALWAYS BEEN VERY UNRELIABLE BY THEIR DESIGN OF NOT ALLOWING CONCURRENT REGISTRATIONS! This has nothing to do with October 2012. This has nothing to do with the rest of the services that CallCentric provides, which I've never unconditionally recommended against.

The sub-discussion in this thread, which I've joined, was about Google Voice, IPKall and CallCentric SIP registration. The advise I gave was SPECIFICALLY AGAINST CALLCENTRIC SIP REGISTRATION SERVICE. Not about any of their other services, might you notice if you weren't trolling!

PX Eliezer7 See Profile, thanks for reminding me that I don't like CC not sending a proper "+" sign in their Caller ID; now please kindly so tell us how that's relevant to this sub-discussion of IPKall and Google Voice? To be even, maybe I should mention that PX Eliezer7 See Profile rather openly hates both IPKall and Google Voice, because they're both free and offer great and unmatched service (IPKall being unmatched prior to CC offering the Free New York Phone Numbers), but don't offer any value-added services and present little need for a support helpline?

Networx

join:2012-06-27
Canada

Amen!!!

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