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<description><![CDATA[Coma posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>Long term 2 years. <br> </p></div>             <br>Try 12 years . . . <br>            <br><small>--<br><i>November is National Epilepsy Month</i></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Brendan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>Long term? Long term Apple is WAYYY up and its products are doing great.  I'm not concerned yet.<br> </p></div>Long-term (7 weeks), when compared to your example (1 day).<br><small>--<br>"Heaven is having an American salary, a Chinese cook, an English house, and a Japanese wife. Hell is having a Chinese salary, an English cook, a Japanese house, and an American wife." -- James H. Kabbler III</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Goober posted : Thermos, aspirin, etc.  The list goes on and on.  Companies/products that are a victim of their own success.<br><small>--<br>Awesome.  More handouts, food stamps, welfare and entitlements to come.  I'm so proud.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Brendan posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1432075" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1432075');">Count Zero</a>:</said><p>It's back up over $11 today.<br> </p></div>Yes, and still falling, longer-term. The trend is your friend.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/265762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=265762');">Goober</a>:</said><p>Exactly right on the Google thing.  But no doubt the Google lawyers are well aware of the dangers.<br> </p></div>appears very aware.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_%28verb%29" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_%28verb%29</A><br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>The transitive verb[1] to google (also spelled to Google) refers to using the Google search engine to obtain information on the Web. However, it can also be used as a general term for searching the internet using any search engine, not just Google. A neologism arising from the popularity and dominance[2] of the eponymous search engine, the American Dialect Society chose it as the "most useful word of 2002."[3] It was added to the Oxford English Dictionary on June 15, 2006,[4] and to the eleventh edition of the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary in July 2006.[5] The first recorded usage of google used as a participle, thus supposing the verb, was on July 8, 1998, by Google co-founder Larry Page himself, who wrote on a mailing list: "Have fun and keep googling!"[6]<br><br>Fearing the genericizing and potential loss of its trademark, Google has discouraged use of the word as a verb, particularly when used as a synonym for general web searching. On February 23, 2003,[7] the company sent a cease and desist letter to Paul McFedries, creator of Word Spy, a website that tracks neologisms.[8] In an article in the Washington Post, Frank Ahrens discussed the letter he received from a Google lawyer that demonstrated "appropriate" and "inappropriate" ways to use the verb "google".[9] It was reported that, in response to this concern, lexicographers for the Merriam-Webster Collegiate Dictionary lowercased the actual entry for the word, google, while maintaining the capitalization of the search engine in their definition, "to use the Google search engine to seek online information" (a concern which did not deter the Oxford editors from preserving the history of both "cases").[10] On October 25, 2006, Google sent a request to the public requesting that "you should please only use 'Google' when you&#146;re actually referring to Google Inc. and our services."[11] <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>on a side note while looking this up I discovered that at some point dry ice was a registered trademark as is/was plexiglass. <br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Goober posted : Regarding Monster and Apple, I don't know who advises these guys, but the craziness leads me to believe that someone's looking for billable hours.<br><br>Exactly, since the phrase "xerox this page" or "please xerox this for me" is no longer being commonly used, the mark hasn't become (or is no longer) generic.  That's why they've successfully taken back their mark.<br><br>Exactly right on the Google thing.  But no doubt the Google lawyers are well aware of the dangers.<br><small>--<br>Awesome.  More handouts, food stamps, welfare and entitlements to come.  I'm so proud.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : Don't forget Monster Cable for loony... they once sued an indoor minigolf place that had monster in its name.(no clue if they have tried to sue Monster Energy Drinks,  But I am guessing the drink maker has a wallet too deep for a maker of overpriced cables to harass.)<br><br>and how loony you mention apple being,  Didn't they once try and sue NYC over calling itself "The Big Apple"?<br><br>Actually how well has Xerox done?  I know I have not heard the term Xerox a document in a long time.<br><br>I know Google is facing the old Xerox and Kleenex problem though.  I once heard someone say they where going to Google something and they went to Bing...<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Goober posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p>And saying you have to sue based on a trademark is a rediculous method of excusing a company suing a grocery store, WHICH SELLS APPLES, for having an apple logo.  That is bullying, from a company that doesn't want anybody else using it's 'forbidden fruit'.<br> </p></div>This is how trademark law works. In order to prevent erosion of your trademark, you virtually have to sue over ridiculous non-infringement. Your trademark is only protected with a moat as far as you can sue. By suing as far as you possibly can, you keep that moat as large as possible. One missed lawsuit and the moat gets irreparably smaller. <br><br>Unlike patent law, where your rights remain whether you sue or not once the patent is issued, under trademark law, you automatically lose rights if someone infringes and you don't sue, and you lose them forever. <br><br>It's why Microsoft sued a student who ran a teenage web programming business called mikerowesoft.com. <br> </p></div>You can repair your trademark.  It's difficult, but rights aren't necessarily lost forever.  For example, Xerox has done a good job repairing their mark.<br><br>Also, Apple takes their trademark protection to extremes.  I've been doing IP law for over 18 years, including trademarks.  No other company for whom I've done trademark law was as loony as Apple, although Ty Industries was close.<br><br>By the way, your comments about patent law aren't quite accurate.<br><small>--<br>Awesome.  More handouts, food stamps, welfare and entitlements to come.  I'm so proud.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p>Morally, no. But I feel corporations are not bound by morals the way individuals are. Corporations are bound only by laws, so the most effective way to prevent the kind of bullying you're talking about is not to claim it's immoral but to change the laws so it's not legal. <br> </p></div>This is filed under "social responsibility" for companies. We all know the laws are not likely to change, at least for the better. <br> </p></div>Sadly corporate America lacks that.  They seem to forget they can make barge loads of money without being complete assholes.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p>Morally, no. But I feel corporations are not bound by morals the way individuals are. Corporations are bound only by laws, so the most effective way to prevent the kind of bullying you're talking about is not to claim it's immoral but to change the laws so it's not legal. <br> </p></div>This is filed under "social responsibility" for companies. We all know the laws are not likely to change, at least for the better. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/567879" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=567879');">Kearnstd</a>:</said><p>So you are saying its okay to bully smaller companies who actually have equal right to similar things?<br><br>Nissan Motors is still bullying a guy who is actually named Nissan over his domain Nissan.com.  Nissan motors claims they have more right to the domain than someone with Nissan as a surname.<br> </p></div>The premise of your question is an ad hominem. My personal feelings on the matter do not change in any way how trademark law operates. That said:<br><br>Morally, no. But I feel corporations are not bound by morals the way individuals are. Corporations are bound only by laws, so the most effective way to prevent the kind of bullying you're talking about is not to claim it's immoral but to change the laws so it's not legal. <br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p>And saying you have to sue based on a trademark is a rediculous method of excusing a company suing a grocery store, WHICH SELLS APPLES, for having an apple logo.  That is bullying, from a company that doesn't want anybody else using it's 'forbidden fruit'.<br> </p></div>This is how trademark law works. In order to prevent erosion of your trademark, you virtually have to sue over ridiculous non-infringement. Your trademark is only protected with a moat as far as you can sue. By suing as far as you possibly can, you keep that moat as large as possible. One missed lawsuit and the moat gets irreparably smaller. <br><br>Unlike patent law, where your rights remain whether you sue or not once the patent is issued, under trademark law, you automatically lose rights if someone infringes and you don't sue, and you lose them forever. <br><br>It's why Microsoft sued a student who ran a teenage web programming business called mikerowesoft.com. <br> </p></div>So you are saying its okay to bully smaller companies who actually have equal right to similar things?<br><br>Nissan Motors is still bullying a guy who is actually named Nissan over his domain Nissan.com.  Nissan motors claims they have more right to the domain than someone with Nissan as a surname.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>Design of the GUI rather than the device itself. <br> </p></div>you can call them 'Design of the GUI', but they are still utility patents, not design patents. <br> </p></div>Fact of the matter is though that Apple has sued quite a few companies over some portion of the iPhone at some point in time. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p>And saying you have to sue based on a trademark is a rediculous method of excusing a company suing a grocery store, WHICH SELLS APPLES, for having an apple logo.  That is bullying, from a company that doesn't want anybody else using it's 'forbidden fruit'.<br> </p></div>This is how trademark law works. In order to prevent erosion of your trademark, you virtually have to sue over ridiculous non-infringement. Your trademark is only protected with a moat as far as you can sue. By suing as far as you possibly can, you keep that moat as large as possible. One missed lawsuit and the moat gets irreparably smaller. <br><br>Unlike patent law, where your rights remain whether you sue or not once the patent is issued, under trademark law, you automatically lose rights if someone infringes and you don't sue, and you lose them forever. <br><br>It's why Microsoft sued a student who ran a teenage web programming business called mikerowesoft.com. <br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>Design of the GUI rather than the device itself. <br> </p></div>you can call them 'Design of the GUI', but they are still utility patents, not design patents. <br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>One of the patents Apple sued on was design (afformentioned rectangle with rounded corners) as well as the use of a mutli-touch interface on a phone and others. <br> </p></div>No, I think you're wrong. The list of the first 20 patents Apple asserted against HTC is here: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-vs-htc-a-patent-breakdown/" >www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/appl&middot;&middot;&middot;eakdown/</A><br><br>They later added 5 more in a separate complaint: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/07/apple-files-second-itc-complaint.html" >www.fosspatents.com/2011/07/appl&middot;&middot;&middot;int.html</A><br><br>None of those are design related patents. <br> </p></div>Design of the GUI rather than the device itself. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[digitalfutur posted : Well that was fast.  Samsung is getting the corer out, forcing Apple to pay 20%, - $2.50 more for each mobile CPU - 200 million of them in 2012.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412011,00.asp" >www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2412011,00.asp</A><br><small>--<br>Logic requires one to deal with decisions that one's ego will not permit.<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p>You actually got one right.  Microsoft sued Barnes and Noble.<br><br>Apple has a long history of making good devices and then acting like it invented the entire market.  You wanna also say that Apple invented the term App store?<br> </p></div>I was talking about patents and mobile operating systems, not lawsuits from decades ago or those involving trademarks (which operate completely differently--if you don't sue on a trademark, you lose it by default). So you got me on the Nokia one, but the rest are not relevant in this context.<br><br>Stating Android v iOS is about Linux vs Unix is a little silly. The core is not where the controversies arise--nearly all of the lawsuits have been about interfaces not about core feature implementations. Some of them have been algorithmic, but none have involved the actual kernel of the operating system that I am aware of. (The only 'core' lawsuit I can think of is Oracle vs Google re:Android APIs)<br><br>And not all OSes share UI features. Apple likes to use Windows Phone as an example of how you can do things in a different enough way that you don't infringe, while still making a device that does all the things users want.<br><br> </p></div>The microsoft one is related, as they actually sued for look and feel of various icons.  They sued because a garbage can on windows looks similar to a garbage can on mac os.<br><br>And saying you have to sue based on a trademark is a rediculous method of excusing a company suing a grocery store, WHICH SELLS APPLES, for having an apple logo.  That is bullying, from a company that doesn't want anybody else using it's 'forbidden fruit'.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>One of the patents Apple sued on was design (afformentioned rectangle with rounded corners) as well as the use of a mutli-touch interface on a phone and others. <br> </p></div>No, I think you're wrong. The list of the first 20 patents Apple asserted against HTC is here: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/apple-vs-htc-a-patent-breakdown/" >www.engadget.com/2010/03/02/appl&middot;&middot;&middot;eakdown/</A><br><br>They later added 5 more in a separate complaint: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.fosspatents.com/2011/07/apple-files-second-itc-complaint.html" >www.fosspatents.com/2011/07/appl&middot;&middot;&middot;int.html</A><br><br>None of those are design related patents. <br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>I agree that in Samsungs case it was a case where the phones were similar, but it was not necessarily the case with the lawsuit against HTC. The question as far as looks go is how similar/different does a design have to be to not be "close" or  a copy of Apple's design. That is the problem with the court case as they have not defined the boundary for such a broad design patent. <br> </p></div>To the best of my knowledge, Apple didn't assert any design patents against HTC, so none of that case was about how HTC's phones looked.<br> </p></div>One of the patents Apple sued on was design (afformentioned rectangle with rounded corners) as well as the use of a mutli-touch interface on a phone and others. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>I agree that in Samsungs case it was a case where the phones were similar, but it was not necessarily the case with the lawsuit against HTC. The question as far as looks go is how similar/different does a design have to be to not be "close" or  a copy of Apple's design. That is the problem with the court case as they have not defined the boundary for such a broad design patent. <br> </p></div>To the best of my knowledge, Apple didn't assert any design patents against HTC, so none of that case was about how HTC's phones looked.<br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[ptrowski posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by Jimothy :</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1173383" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1173383');">ptrowski</a>:</said><p>But yet Apple blatantly stole the clock design in iOS 6 and were caught.<br> </p></div>patents and trademarks are not the same thing and the vast vast vast majority of timepiece dial designs are not protected under anything, there's a reason you can find 5 bajillion perfectly legal  submariner homages and their isn't a single thing Rolex can do outside of their protected crown logo and name<br> </p></div>Right, so that is why apple coughed up $21 million to use it?  Nice try.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.slashgear.com/apple-cash-sum-to-swiss-rail-21-million-for-lovely-clock-12256573/" >www.slashgear.com/apple-cash-sum&middot;&middot;&middot;2256573/</A><br><small>--<br>"So, Lone Starr, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb."<br><br>Have you been touched by his noodly appendage?  &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.venganza.org" >www.venganza.org</A></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : The optimal solution is to gut the patent system and only allow patents on physical things.   the fact people can patent "Look and Feel" of things is  a big problem and does hold back technology.<br><br>With physical things patents are usually very specific.  A new type of garage door opener has to be pretty detailed in its patent.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>As far as patents go, Apple holds a number of patents that are overly broad, and can claim patent infringement on a wide variety of things. <br> </p></div>Given that companies have a fiduciary duty to shareholders, anyone that thinks Apple wouldn't or shouldn't patent what they do has his or her head in the clouds. If you don't like the patents because you think they are overly broad, then you should take up the fight against the federal circuit and supreme courts, not Apple. The federal circuit in particular has become problematic. <br><br>If you look at the history of the way Android was developed and combine that with the emails that came out during the Oracle trial, it's clear those at the top chose to ignore potential IP problems, whether willfully or naively. It's biting them in the rear now. Microsoft is too smart, with too long of a history, to let that happen to them, instead choosing to cross license with Apple to get patents they could and modify the UI of WP otherwise. <br><br>In the history of the litigation over mobile UI patents, Apple has tried to bring out big guns that cover large parts of multi touch interfaces and have quickly and frequently found that those patents don't hold up to closer scrutiny and claims get tossed out. Instead, they are now using patents on very specific features of iOS, like the over scroll physics. The lawsuit against Samsung, once all the claims on both sides were narrowed, really came down to 'don't make your phones look just like ours' and 'don't copy our OS down to minute details'. <br> </p></div>I do hold the court/patent system responsible, but I hold the companies socially responsible for doing something they know is questionable. <br><br>I agree that in Samsungs case it was a case where the phones were similar, but it was not necessarily the case with the lawsuit against HTC. The question as far as looks go is how similar/different does a design have to be to not be "close" or  a copy of Apple's design. That is the problem with the court case as they have not defined the boundary for such a broad design patent. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1173383" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1173383');">ptrowski</a>:</said><p>But yet Apple blatantly stole the clock design in iOS 6 and were caught.<br> </p></div>patents and trademarks are not the same thing and the vast vast vast majority of timepiece dial designs are not protected under anything, there's a reason you can find 5 bajillion perfectly legal  submariner homages and their isn't a single thing Rolex can do outside of their protected crown logo and name]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1766292" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1766292');">sk1939</a>:</said><p>As far as patents go, Apple holds a number of patents that are overly broad, and can claim patent infringement on a wide variety of things. <br> </p></div>Given that companies have a fiduciary duty to shareholders, anyone that thinks Apple wouldn't or shouldn't patent what they do has his or her head in the clouds. If you don't like the patents because you think they are overly broad, then you should take up the fight against the federal circuit and supreme courts, not Apple. The federal circuit in particular has become problematic. <br><br>If you look at the history of the way Android was developed and combine that with the emails that came out during the Oracle trial, it's clear those at the top chose to ignore potential IP problems, whether willfully or naively. It's biting them in the rear now. Microsoft is too smart, with too long of a history, to let that happen to them, instead choosing to cross license with Apple to get patents they could and modify the UI of WP otherwise. <br><br>In the history of the litigation over mobile UI patents, Apple has tried to bring out big guns that cover large parts of multi touch interfaces and have quickly and frequently found that those patents don't hold up to closer scrutiny and claims get tossed out. Instead, they are now using patents on very specific features of iOS, like the over scroll physics. The lawsuit against Samsung, once all the claims on both sides were narrowed, really came down to 'don't make your phones look just like ours' and 'don't copy our OS down to minute details'. <br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : Windows Phone also benefits from the fact that it isn't a strong competitor to Apple unlike Android. <br><br>As far as patents go, Apple holds a number of patents that are overly broad, and can claim patent infringement on a wide variety of things. Apple also has a tendency to claim it invented things (debatable) when in reality they just improved on existing technology (the Mp3 player was along well before the iPod was out). ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p>You actually got one right.  Microsoft sued Barnes and Noble.<br><br>Apple has a long history of making good devices and then acting like it invented the entire market.  You wanna also say that Apple invented the term App store?<br> </p></div>I was talking about patents and mobile operating systems, not lawsuits from decades ago or those involving trademarks (which operate completely differently--if you don't sue on a trademark, you lose it by default). So you got me on the Nokia one, but the rest are not relevant in this context.<br><br>Stating Android v iOS is about Linux vs Unix is a little silly. The core is not where the controversies arise--nearly all of the lawsuits have been about interfaces not about core feature implementations. Some of them have been algorithmic, but none have involved the actual kernel of the operating system that I am aware of. (The only 'core' lawsuit I can think of is Oracle vs Google re:Android APIs)<br><br>And not all OSes share UI features. Apple likes to use Windows Phone as an example of how you can do things in a different enough way that you don't infringe, while still making a device that does all the things users want.<br><br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p>Or, perhaps, they felt that many Android features were a direct rip-off of iOS features and wanted them to stop. Apple hasn't sued Microsoft, Nokia, Amazon, or Barnes and Noble. They didn't go after Palm when it was around either. </p></div>Maybe maybe not.  But Apple's patents are like saying Blizzard should be able to patent "The use of Elves in a fantasy MMORPG setting."<br><br>Or Lucas Film being able to patent triangle shaped space ships for use in science fiction and then suing whoever holds the current rights to Asteroids.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sk1939 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1578597" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1578597');">Metatron2008</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p>Or, perhaps, they felt that many Android features were a direct rip-off of iOS features and wanted them to stop. </p></div>Oh really?  An OS made with a Linux core (Android) shares features like an OS made from a UNIX core (iOS)?  When does an OS not share features?<br><br>  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Apple hasn't sued Microsoft<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Comp&middot;&middot;&middot;poration</A><br><br>The court ruled that, "Apple cannot get patent-like protection for the idea of a graphical user interface, or the idea of a desktop metaphor [under copyright law]..."[1] In the midst of the Apple v. Microsoft lawsuit, Xerox also sued Apple alleging that Mac's GUI was heavily based on Xerox's.<br><br>  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Nokia<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20029047-37.html" >news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20029047-37.html</A><br><br>Apple sues Nokia over iPhone scrolling patent<br><br>  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Amazon<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/03/22/apple.amazon.app.fast/index.html" >www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/03/22/&middot;&middot;&middot;dex.html</A><br><br>Apple sues Amazon over 'app store' name<br><br>  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>or Barnes and Noble<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>You actually got one right.  Microsoft sued Barnes and Noble.<br><br>Apple has a long history of making good devices and then acting like it invented the entire market.  You wanna also say that Apple invented the term App store?<br><br>Did apple also invent the apple?  Is that why they suing poland grocery stores for having an apple logo?<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.webpronews.com/apple-sues-online-grocery-store-over-its-logo-2012-09" >www.webpronews.com/apple-sues-on&middot;&middot;&middot;-2012-09</A><br> </p></div>The lawsuits are an interesting issue. Apple also sued Samsung (now infamously) over the design of the iPhone (literally rectangle with rounded edges and a prominent screen). ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[sgarrand posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/390499" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=390499');">Teasip</a>:</said><p>I'm still on the 3G 8GB phone, out of contract, and have been ready to upgrade (as well as the wife who has the same phone).  I've never had an Android but the Samsung Galaxy III on the television commercials have caught my eye.  Opinions?<br> </p></div>I went from multiple iPhones (1st, 3G, 3GS) to Android and I currently own a Samsung Galaxy S III. I admire iOS for what it does well but it no longer meets my needs. Everyone's needs are different.<br><br>Scott<br><small>--<br>My web site is <A HREF="http://www.whythehell.com/">WhyTheHell.com</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Metatron2008 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/833343" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=833343');">Daemon</a>:</said><p>Or, perhaps, they felt that many Android features were a direct rip-off of iOS features and wanted them to stop. </p></div>Oh really?  An OS made with a Linux core (Android) shares features like an OS made from a UNIX core (iOS)?  When does an OS not share features?<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Apple hasn't sued Microsoft<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corporation" >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Comp&middot;&middot;&middot;poration</A><br><br>The court ruled that, "Apple cannot get patent-like protection for the idea of a graphical user interface, or the idea of a desktop metaphor [under copyright law]..."[1] In the midst of the Apple v. Microsoft lawsuit, Xerox also sued Apple alleging that Mac's GUI was heavily based on Xerox's.<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Nokia<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20029047-37.html" >news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20029047-37.html</A><br><br>Apple sues Nokia over iPhone scrolling patent<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>Amazon<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/03/22/apple.amazon.app.fast/index.html" >www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/03/22/&middot;&middot;&middot;dex.html</A><br><br>Apple sues Amazon over 'app store' name<br><br> <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>or Barnes and Noble<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>You actually got one right.  Microsoft sued Barnes and Noble.<br><br>Apple has a long history of making good devices and then acting like it invented the entire market.  You wanna also say that Apple invented the term App store?<br><br>Did apple also invent the apple?  Is that why they suing poland grocery stores for having an apple logo?<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.webpronews.com/apple-sues-online-grocery-store-over-its-logo-2012-09" >www.webpronews.com/apple-sues-on&middot;&middot;&middot;-2012-09</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[digitalfutur posted : A decline in market share is inevitable when a company starts at over 80% a few months after a new product introduction.<br><br>What is not inevitable is a company taking its customers for granted, as Apple has started doing by expecting them to buy a updated product once a year or more often.  As a result, Apple's tablet market share is down to 50% and its smartphone market share is down to 17%.  And being lawsuit-happy is a signal to competitors that Apple is starting to run out of ideas, and further emboldens Samsung and others to "core the Apple".<br><br>Apples Achille's heel is overdependence on a shiny new apple in a market where apples have been commoditized.  <br><small>--<br>Logic requires one to deal with decisions that one's ego will not permit.<br>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SHOtime posted : I didn't propose that it was something new.  Apple lives on their reputation.  They expect you to pay more for what they tell you is a better product.  Their "it just works" mantra and continually claiming everyone else is cutting corners to compete is stretching the truth at best, an outright lie at worst. <br><br>Hardware wise they are no longer the leader.  There are a number of devices with as good or better specs than the Iphone and Ipad.  In regards to the UI both Android and MS have both caught up and in may ways surpassed iOS.  The casual user would have a hard time distingushing a difference in the App stores of either Apple or Android.  The biggest apps reside in both.  A few more fart apps in the App store a few less smaller game titles on the Play Store.  It's truly a wash at this point.  <br><br>They seem to be a company (not unlike MS at its peak) content to rest on their prior achievements.  Incremental updates to the OS with no real changes.  The difference between MS and Apple is that MS did not have a real challenger in the PC OS battle.  Apple was a niche.  Apple is faced with the real possibility of becoming the 3rd player in mobile technology behind both MS and Google.  Android has already passed them in marketshare and with MS built in base of PC users, Enterprise IT, and a generation of XBOX gamers Win8 cannot be taken lightly.  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Count Zero posted : It's back up over $11 today.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Goober posted : It's because Google is eventually going to eat their lunch and they can see it coming.<br><br>The only reason the tech rags rag on Apple is to see the reaction from the iFans.  Again, it's from Apple acting like they have these magical devices.<br><br>I have to quit this thread before I get banned.  The fanboyism is making me ill.<br><small>--<br>Awesome.  More handouts, food stamps, welfare and entitlements to come.  I'm so proud.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/567879" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=567879');">Kearnstd</a>:</said><p>They realized they could not maintain the lead they once had.  Naturally they bust out the lawsuits.  Sad state of business but that seems to be how portable computing works today,  Can't beat em then sue em.<br> </p></div>Or, perhaps, they felt that many Android features were a direct rip-off of iOS features and wanted them to stop. Apple hasn't sued Microsoft, Nokia, Amazon, or Barnes and Noble. They didn't go after Palm when it was around either. <br><br>(I predict the inevitable responses to this post will be something about patenting rounded rectangles and that software patents are bogus.)<br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:23:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Daemon posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/265762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=265762');">Goober</a>:</said><p>Fanboys will always be fanboys and suck up Apple stuff.  But for those with a more discerning opinion, as long as Apple behaves like it's magical shit they're producing, people will call them on it when it isn't.<br><br>People make a big deal about glitches from all manufacturers.  It's only amplified because Apple first denies and then has to come to terms with the fallout.  Again, if you're promising magic and you're not delivering, you'll get called on it.  No matter the company--don't think it's because Apple is so fantastic.  It's just that non-Apple people are more than willing to throw their tech providers under the bus for messing up even in little ways.  Whereas Apple fanboys don't want to admit that the product is, just possibly, not living up to the magical standards.  It reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes story.<br> </p></div>Can you provide a couple of comparable anecdotes that support your opinion? It seems to me that glitches in Apple products get over-hyped by the tech press because they drive page views. <br><br>For example, the Nexus 4 doesn't have LTE. Google said that it wasn't possible to do it due to the variety of carriers. Did that story gain any traction? Not that I saw--only the verge wrote about it. But, many wrote about how the iPhone 4S was going to be a failure because it didn't have LTE. <br><small>--<br>-Ryan<br>I use Linux, OS X, iOS and Windows. Let the OS wars die.</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 15:20:19 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Kearnstd posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/460388" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=460388');">Rob</a>:</said><p>At least for me, while I like my iPhone, I'm turned off my Apple's continue lawsuits. What happened with winning through competition, and not through lawsuits?<br> </p></div>They realized they could not maintain the lead they once had.  Naturally they bust out the lawsuits.  Sad state of business but that seems to be how portable computing works today,  Can't beat em then sue em.<br><small>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Goober posted : Fanboys will always be fanboys and suck up Apple stuff.  But for those with a more discerning opinion, as long as Apple behaves like it's magical shit they're producing, people will call them on it when it isn't.<br><br>People make a big deal about glitches from all manufacturers.  It's only amplified because Apple first denies and then has to come to terms with the fallout.  Again, if you're promising magic and you're not delivering, you'll get called on it.  No matter the company--don't think it's because Apple is so fantastic.  It's just that non-Apple people are more than willing to throw their tech providers under the bus for messing up even in little ways.  Whereas Apple fanboys don't want to admit that the product is, just possibly, not living up to the magical standards.  It reminds me of the Emperor's New Clothes story.<br><small>--<br>Awesome.  More handouts, food stamps, welfare and entitlements to come.  I'm so proud.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[djrobx posted : <div class="bquote"><p> Antennae issues, failed updates, wifi troubles, the maps debacle, excessive call data usage, the lightning connector and the camera glare </p></div>Putting new iProducts under the microscope and making an ordeal about something wrong with them is nothing new.   <br><br>My original iPhone was great compared to things I'd used previously, but it used to crash back to the home screen all the time.   Today's problems are a perceived downgrade of the maps app (which for me wasn't a total downgrade, I find the turn-by-turn feature very useful when traveling), and a purple lens flare when holding the phone directly into sunlight, which I haven't been able to reproduce.<br><br>You'll know for sure that Apple has jumped the shark when people quit making a big deal about glitches.  <br><br>I'm a lot more annoyed by Mountain Lion not running on my perfectly good Mac Pro 1,1 simply because they want to strong-arm me into buying new hardware.  That issue has me considering either going the hackintosh route or simply going back to Windows.   I also agree with Rob that Apple needs to watch their behavior in terms of lawsuits.   <br><br>As for a lack of revolutionary new products, I don't think Apple ever did that with a fast cadence.  I don't even think the iPad required a ton of creative vision, it's just a large iPhone.    The Retina Macbook Pro tells me they're still somewhat on track.   High resolution PC displays with fully working DPI compensation in the OS is something way overdue and I'm glad Apple has finally made it a reality. <br><small>--<br><b>AT&T U-Hearse</b> - RIP Unlimited Internet 1995-2011<br>Rethink Billable.<br></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norbert26 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/265762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=265762');">Goober</a>:</said><p>It's hard to future proof technology like phones.  I used to think about it before, but have given up.  With my family, after 2 years, everyone always wants a change.<br> </p></div>that is the truth. I try to think like that before leaping but every two years i have been upgrading anyways. Like you said what i do now i will be tired of it in two years so let me stop trying to kid myself.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[Goober posted : It's hard to future proof technology like phones.  I used to think about it before, but have given up.  With my family, after 2 years, everyone always wants a change.<br><small>--<br>Awesome.  More handouts, food stamps, welfare and entitlements to come.  I'm so proud.</small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[norbert26 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/265762" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=265762');">Goober</a>:</said><p>I would have gotten the Lumia 920 if they hadn't taken so darn long to release it and I hadn't been so sick of my Blackberry.  Certainly, a Windows phone is next on my list.<br> </p></div>in two weeks i have an open update window. I am very seriously on the fence with these thoughts. I am NOT too impressed with iPhone 5 which resembles a choo choo train. They did not make the screen wider they just made it longer. I have gone to the Apple store and held it in my hand and was luke warm on it. Since i will need a new case and holster i am considering other phones as well including the samsung galaxy 3 or even a Windows 8 phone is "on the table". Another option is to just SIT and hold on the iP4 for a bit longer . regardless of what i do i would like the next handset to last a while as far as future proof and not be obsolete one year from now and not churn churn churn however this may be hard as the industry (not just apple) thrives on churn . ]]></description>
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