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<description><![CDATA[elray posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/628714" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=628714');">maartena</a>:</said><p>My Electricity bill has a $8 base fee, which means that if I use *nothing at all* I still pay a $8 bill. Gas and water have similar fees. They are kept low for a reason.... they are just there to make sure you have a line, a pipe, etc, and the line and/or pipe works.<br><br>I would have NO problem whatsoever to pay $10 for a pipe with an IP address, and ALL data being charged at the rate AT&T uses.<br><br>$10 for 50 GB, pro-rated would be $0.20 per GB, With a $10 base fee, my bill would be LESS if I only use 100 GB that month, and it would be MORE if I use more than 250 GB that month.<br><br>I say let them classify Internet as a utility, and implement a flat base rate for the un-used connection, and then charge for using it. <br><br>But again: It needs to be measured CORRECTLY. If the water pipe BEFORE it gets to my house leaks, I am not paying for that water as it hasn't past my meter yet. The way AT&T is measuring now, that water would be counted.<br> </p></div>You've just made the case for measured service.<br>Indeed, a lot of people would save a lot of money this way, and I would welcome it with a UL-listed meter.<br><br>Trouble is, those here who would cry out for regulatory intervention would welcome a government-approved meter, which would have all sorts of Big-Brother functions you probably don't want, and of course, will incur a minimum AND usage-based tax.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 19:07:03 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[maartena posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/264898" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=264898');">elray</a>:</said><p>For all the populist ranting we read here nearly every week, has anyone actually been assessed an overage charge and had to pay it, or been disconnected?<br><br>Wired caps are an inexpensive tool to influence behavior, not create additional revenue.   Telco knows well how inaccurate they are.  It doesn't matter.<br><br>They will be unenforced in the interim, and will go away when "network neutrality" nonsense fades from view. <br><br>But if you all push hard enough, who knows, maybe we'll have a national modem standard that includes <i>federally certified usage metering.</i><br><br>Be very careful what you wish for.<br> </p></div>My Electricity bill has a $8 base fee, which means that if I use *nothing at all* I still pay a $8 bill. Gas and water have similar fees. They are kept low for a reason.... they are just there to make sure you have a line, a pipe, etc, and the line and/or pipe works.<br><br>I would have NO problem whatsoever to pay $10 for a pipe with an IP address, and ALL data being charged at the rate AT&T uses.<br><br>$10 for 50 GB, pro-rated would be $0.20 per GB, With a $10 base fee, my bill would be LESS if I only use 100 GB that month, and it would be MORE if I use more than 250 GB that month.<br><br>I say let them classify Internet as a utility, and implement a flat base rate for the un-used connection, and then charge for using it. <br><br>But again: It needs to be measured CORRECTLY. If the water pipe BEFORE it gets to my house leaks, I am not paying for that water as it hasn't past my meter yet. The way AT&T is measuring now, that water would be counted.<br><small>--<br>"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"</small>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:50:45 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[WernerSchutz posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/264898" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=264898');">elray</a>:</said><p>Wired caps are an inexpensive tool to influence behavior, not create additional revenue.  <br> </p></div>Yeah, for sure.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 16:23:30 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : I have been charged all but 2 months this year with my dry dsl 6mb connection. And for dslextreme, when called them to get service you have to have a phone line. Which adds 20 plus dollars to the overall price.<br><br>And to the " not a revenue stream", my local cable isp(cableone), charges 50 cents per gig over there 50gig a month cap, 100 gigs with bundle. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:46:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[steelyken posted : I had 6 with AT&T and still have 6 with dslextreme, so that is a shame with your connection.  ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:14:46 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[maubs posted : DSL Extreme is an option, and I have contacted them, but AT&T will only tell the reseller that the line is capable of 3Mb. Also, I'd have to keep the land line I'm only paying for to get better than a 768Kb connection.<br>Also looked into a business connection - they want to see a yellow pages listing for my business in order to qualify. ]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:07:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[steelyken posted : See if you can get dslextreme.  First letter I got from AT&T started me looking for alternatives and that is where I switched.  Price is lower and no caps.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:01:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[elray posted : Sounds like you haven't disputed the charges.<br>Not that you should have to.<br>Sad to hear that they're actually billing now.  <br><br>Is there a reason you're with AT&T and not one of their resellers?<br><br>Have you priced a business connection?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:57:29 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[en103 posted : As the user shows - ~20% extra - I'd expect the same.<br>AT&T uses ATM for packets on DSL (including Uverse), which adds ~18%.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.clock.org/~fair/opinion/atm-is-bad.html" >www.clock.org/~fair/opinion/atm-is-bad.html</A><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://blog.ioshints.info/2009/03/adsl-overhead.html" >blog.ioshints.info/2009/03/adsl-&middot;&middot;&middot;ead.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:55:40 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[maubs posted : I've had to pay overages twice now on my 150GB cap for a 6Mb DSL connection. As cord-cutters, we rely heavily on Netflix, Hulu and even stream from the BBC and ITV.<br>AT&T doesn't offer UVerse anywhere near my part of the state, so the cap doesn't even serve to protect their revenue for a TV subscription.<br>I have a wireless router that supports DD-WRT, so I'm thinking about installing that in order to measure the usage on my own.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:19:01 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[elray posted : For all the populist ranting we read here nearly every week, has anyone actually been assessed an overage charge and had to pay it, or been disconnected?<br><br>Wired caps are an inexpensive tool to influence behavior, not create additional revenue.   Telco knows well how inaccurate they are.  It doesn't matter.<br><br>They will be unenforced in the interim, and will go away when "network neutrality" nonsense fades from view. <br><br>But if you all push hard enough, who knows, maybe we'll have a national modem standard that includes <i>federally certified usage metering.</i><br><br>Be very careful what you wish for.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:28:07 EDT</pubDate>
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