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haroldo

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iOS loses WiFi when sleeping

I asked a while ago and got no responses, so I figured I'd try again.
Ever since iOS 6, both iPad (3rd gen) and iPhone 4 lose WiFi connectivity when sleeping.
Since both automatic iTunes WiFi syncing and iCloud backup require the devices to be plugged in and connected to WiFi this is a bit of an issue. In addition, iTunes manual WiFi syncing (initiated from the OS X side) isn't possible if the iDevice isn't connected to WiFi.
As soon as I wake the devices, it usually finds WiFi within a second or two.
I use an Airport Extreme router which in addition to the iDevices are fully up to date,
Am I the only one with this issue?
Thanks!



Snakeoil
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Is you Ipad a cellular device, like the Iphone? Or is it wifi only?

I had to turn off cellular, so my Iphone remains connected to my home wifi network. Or any wifi network.

I made a thread about it. there is a link to a site where there are 38 pages of people talking about wifi issues on their Iphone 4, 4s, and 5.

There is another link to a tech site that also discusses the issues with wifi and IOS6.

Verizon supposedly has a fix for it.

Link to the post.

»Iphone 4: Why wont it stay connected to wifi?
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haroldo

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The iPad is WiFi only, so that would negate the cellular connection as a culprit, no?
My issue is only with sleeping. When active, they maintain WiFi connectivity.



Mike
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iOS 6 and wifi sucks.

At home, at work, at coffee shop etc



Snakeoil
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Then suspect the IOS 6. My Ipad 1st gen is still running IOS 5.0.1 and has no problems staying connected to wifi.
But yet my brand new Iphone4 with IOS6 won't remain connected to my wifi network with cellular on.
But now you mention your Ipad is wifi only with IOS6, it points out it's the IOS.
Maybe try to go back to an ealier IOS, because I'm agreeing with Mike. IOS6 and wifi are buggy.
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haroldo

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said by Snakeoil:

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Maybe try to go back to an ealier IOS, because I'm agreeing with Mike. ...

Roll back????...and give up Siri on my iPad....NEVER!!!!

(does anyone know what the HTML tag is for sarcasm?)


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Not only that, unless you were jailbroken on a previous version, you can't rollback.
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I would have to agree. I take light rail to work, and my laptop (MBPr) connects to the WiFi on the trolley just fine, but my iPhone is a constant struggle.

Last night the phone refused to connect to my home WiFi, even after a reboot. I could only get it to connect after rebooting the Airport! iPad was fine, as were the laptops.



haroldo

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said by bobrk:

....refused to connect to my home WiFi,...

Is your router''s firmware up to date? I used to have a ton of connectivity issues until I updated the firmware. (of course, with the exception of the above thread)


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I had this problem all the time with iOS 4.x and my home access points (which were totally up to date). iOS 5.1 was a godsend in this regard (though I waited for it to be jailbroken).

I don't have this issue too badly with a new iPhone 5 / iOS 6.0.1 -- I DO notice that the wifi bars/strength go up and down though, where before they were rock solid strong signals (I have two WAPs, one at each end of the house).

What worked for me previously was to use our wireless G only access point (ugh). I have also read that the work around is to use WEP instead (double ugh, I do NOT recommend that).

Perhaps 6.0.2 will get wireless right
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reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

said by bobrk:

....refused to connect to my home WiFi,...

Is your router''s firmware up to date? I used to have a ton of connectivity issues until I updated the firmware. (of course, with the exception of the above thread)

Yup, as far as I know it is.

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said by bobrk:

said by haroldo:

said by bobrk:

....refused to connect to my home WiFi,...

Is your router''s firmware up to date? I used to have a ton of connectivity issues until I updated the firmware. (of course, with the exception of the above thread)

Yup, as far as I know it is.

I'm curious, what router are you using? It strikes me that this may be a situation where the wireless router and / or the firmware for it may be causing (or making) the issue worse.

I have the same issue with my iPhone 4 on iOS 6.0.1 with the wi-fi dropping out (and the phone not being able to pick up cell phone signals again if it loses them, but that's a separate issue)

I'm using a D-Link DIR-655 (Rev A) at home with the 1.35NA firmware (Canadian D-Link routers get shafted on firmware upgrades, don't ask me why) and the iPhone 4 exhibits the behaviour while my iPad 3rd gen dosen't

This is most noticeable because of the problems I'm having at home with my voip staying registered on my iPhone while its fine on my iPad unless the provider is having issues.

NefCanuck


metrodust
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reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

I asked a while ago and got no responses, so I figured I'd try again.
Ever since iOS 6, both iPad (3rd gen) and iPhone 4 lose WiFi connectivity when sleeping.
Since both automatic iTunes WiFi syncing and iCloud backup require the devices to be plugged in and connected to WiFi this is a bit of an issue. In addition, iTunes manual WiFi syncing (initiated from the OS X side) isn't possible if the iDevice isn't connected to WiFi.
As soon as I wake the devices, it usually finds WiFi within a second or two.
I use an Airport Extreme router which in addition to the iDevices are fully up to date,
Am I the only one with this issue?
Thanks!

All of my iPhones have always done this, even as far back as 3.x. Nothing new here.
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said by metrodust:

said by haroldo:

I asked a while ago and got no responses, so I figured I'd try again.
Ever since iOS 6, both iPad (3rd gen) and iPhone 4 lose WiFi connectivity when sleeping.
Since both automatic iTunes WiFi syncing and iCloud backup require the devices to be plugged in and connected to WiFi this is a bit of an issue. In addition, iTunes manual WiFi syncing (initiated from the OS X side) isn't possible if the iDevice isn't connected to WiFi.
As soon as I wake the devices, it usually finds WiFi within a second or two.
I use an Airport Extreme router which in addition to the iDevices are fully up to date,
Am I the only one with this issue?
Thanks!

All of my iPhones have always done this, even as far back as 3.x. Nothing new here.

Then they are not functioning as they should. The point being made is the phone should stay connected to Wi-Fi all the time, even when the screen is not on when it is plugged in to the mains. This is by design. My iPhones have done this as long as I can remember.
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haroldo

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said by Nezmo:

...My iPhones have done this as long as I can remember.

So your iOS 6 devices sleep in WiFi? That's odd, since both of mine seem to have had problems as soon as I upgraded. Which iDevices do you have?


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said by haroldo:

said by Nezmo:

...My iPhones have done this as long as I can remember.

So your iOS 6 devices sleep in WiFi? That's odd, since both of mine seem to have had problems as soon as I upgraded. Which iDevices do you have?

iP4S on iOS 6.0.1 and iPad 2 on iOS 6.0.1. The phone is doing as I reported. I can't say for sure on the iPad but I'll check.
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Make your devices stay up all night ... there problem solved.
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metrodust
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reply to Nezmo

said by Nezmo:

said by metrodust:

All of my iPhones have always done this, even as far back as 3.x. Nothing new here.

Then they are not functioning as they should. The point being made is the phone should stay connected to Wi-Fi all the time, even when the screen is not on when it is plugged in to the mains. This is by design. My iPhones have done this as long as I can remember.

I understand the point. I'm just saying that none of mine, my girlfriends, or several of my friends iPhones stay on WiFi while sleeping. Seems like intended behavior...
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If the wifi connection isn't being actively used while the screen is locked (e.g. streaming audio) then the wifi connection probably should drop. The issue I had previously, is that wifi wouldn't reconnect automatically as it should. I literally had to go into Settings and turn it off and back on before I had active wifi again.
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haroldo

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said by darcilicious:

If the wifi connection isn't being actively used while the screen is locked (e.g. streaming audio) then the wifi connection probably should drop. ...

I don't agree, it shouldn't drop as iCloud automatic backup requires the phone to be plugged in and connected to WiFi to do it's thing. In addition, iTunes WiFi automatic sync requires the phone to be on WiFi. If I'm not mistaken, it slept in WiFi before upgrading.


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Just out of curiosity how do you know it's dropping Wi-Fi? Is it not updating? What are the symptoms? Does it show a cellular data connection every time you wake it? Are you not seeing it in iTunes?
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haroldo

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said by not quite right:

Just out of curiosity how do you know it's dropping Wi-Fi? Is it not updating? What are the symptoms? Does it show a cellular data connection every time you wake it? Are you not seeing it in iTunes?

It doesn't appear in iTunes (iTunes only recognizes iDevices in WiFi).
When you touch the device to wake it, it shows 3G. Only when you slide the bar and start to unlock it will it toggle to WiFi.
It shows 3G >90% of the time on wake up...maybe more.


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said by haroldo:

said by darcilicious:

If the wifi connection isn't being actively used while the screen is locked (e.g. streaming audio) then the wifi connection probably should drop. ...

I don't agree, it shouldn't drop as iCloud automatic backup requires the phone to be plugged in and connected to WiFi to do it's thing. In addition, iTunes WiFi automatic sync requires the phone to be on WiFi. If I'm not mistaken, it slept in WiFi before upgrading.

How are you determining that an iCloud backup needs to happen and is not? If an iCloud backup is not needed, why would wifi have to be on/active when the iDevice is otherwise idle?
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bobrk
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I believe I stated that I restarted my Airport. It's actually a Time Capsule, but the same thing.



Nezmo
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I have a couple of things that tell me if something is actively connected via WiFi. One is the phone itself will show 4G instead of Wi-Fi momentarily after being woken up. It does not do this when actually plugged in to the mains. When waking up when it's plugged in the Wi-Fi icon is displayed already. Network Magic from Cisco also shows me what is connected on my network and if it's Wi-Fi, wired or inactive. My router also has a DHCP client status page that does the same thing. This is how I can tell what the phone is doing. In my case it's nothing do with iCloud etc as I do not back up to iCloud.

iOS was changed sometime back I believe to make Wi-Fi stay on if plugged in/charging as there is no concern about battery usage. If unplugged then yes, it will drop Wi-Fi until woken up.

It sounds like there are now some Wi-Fi problems/inconsistencies in iOS6x and some hardware.

As for iTunes, my installation can drop the device from the list even when the device is active on Wi-Fi. I do not find the iTunes thing a reliable indicator of whether a device is on Wi-Fi or not.
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reply to haroldo

said by haroldo:

said by not quite right:

Just out of curiosity how do you know it's dropping Wi-Fi? Is it not updating? What are the symptoms? Does it show a cellular data connection every time you wake it? Are you not seeing it in iTunes?

It doesn't appear in iTunes (iTunes only recognizes iDevices in WiFi).
When you touch the device to wake it, it shows 3G. Only when you slide the bar and start to unlock it will it toggle to WiFi.
It shows 3G >90% of the time on wake up...maybe more.

Ok I'm sure you know what I'm going to suggest ... but before we go down that road though let's try deleting your Wi-fi account from your iPhone, then reboot both your phone, and your Airport extreme. Re-astablish your Wi-Fi account on your iPhone, again reboot both the phone & the router.
Now once both have finished rebooting open up iTunes plug in your iPhone, make sure the box" sync this iPhone over wi-fi" is checked, and preform a manual sync, when the sync finishes do not eject the iPhone from iTunes just simply unplug it.
If this has not resolved your problem ... Restore As New!
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haroldo

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As far as restore is concerned, I recently restored my iPad, for a non-related issue, and the bug still exists.
As far as your suggestion, I'll give it a shot.



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said by haroldo:

As far as restore is concerned, I recently restored my iPad, for a non-related issue, and the bug still exists.
As far as your suggestion, I'll give it a shot.

As new or from a back up?
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haroldo

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from a backup (D'oh!)



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reply to metrodust

said by metrodust:

said by Nezmo:

said by metrodust:

All of my iPhones have always done this, even as far back as 3.x. Nothing new here.

Then they are not functioning as they should. The point being made is the phone should stay connected to Wi-Fi all the time, even when the screen is not on when it is plugged in to the mains. This is by design. My iPhones have done this as long as I can remember.

I understand the point. I'm just saying that none of mine, my girlfriends, or several of my friends iPhones stay on WiFi while sleeping. Seems like intended behavior...

The intended behavior is to keep connected if it's on AC - otherwise drop.
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