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antdude
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Re: How long do Linksys routers last?

Ah hah, I just saw it in person! Both my wired computers lost connection for a couple seconds again a few minutes ago at about 9:51 AM PST. I could not find anything about in the router's log since incoming is empty (a known issue?) and outgoing shows what I connected (my two computers and www, ntp, ircd, and www which are correct; usually shows way more!). It seems like my router rebooted? I am going to try manually power cycle. If that fails, then reset to default factory and redo my configurations from scratch.



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Ah hah, I just saw it in person! Both my wired computers lost connection for a couple seconds again a few minutes ago at about 9:51 AM PST. I could not find anything about in the router's log since incoming is empty (a known issue?) and outgoing shows what I connected (my two computers and www, ntp, ircd, and www which are correct; usually shows way more!). It seems like my router rebooted? I am going to try manually power cycle. If that fails, then reset to default factory and redo my configurations from scratch.

Boo. It happened again after I left home this morning. I think I will plan for a reset to factory settings for this long Thanksgiving 2012 weekend. Should I do the physical method or through the software?--
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Keep us informed of your progress.



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Keep us informed of your progress.

Just a quick status. I made a firmware backup, did the physical reset yesterday afternoon, reconfigured from scratch (did not set everything like my previous ones, just the important/required ones like the same SSID, same static LAN IP addresses for two wired machines, etc.)).

I am not sure if this was the same before, but my physical router's Cisco Systems logo is orange color instead of white. I can't really remember if it was white. My brain thinks it was white before. However, I read that this is for EasySetup which I never used and pretty sure I disabled. Is there a way to view my backup without restoring to the router to check?
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said by antdude:

I am not sure if this was the same before, but my physical router's Cisco Systems logo is orange color instead of white. I can't really remember if it was white. My brain thinks it was white before. However, I read that this is for EasySetup which I never used and pretty sure I disabled.

»homecommunity.cisco.com/t5/Wirel···-p/54559

The Cisco logo is the Router’s SecureEasySetup button. It lights up and will stay orange when the Router is powered on. The color orange indicates that the Router is not using the SecureEasySetup feature, while the color white indicates that the Router is using the SecureEasySetup feature


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I have three WRT54's of varying age with the oldest has be getting on at least 8 years and I thought when I moved a year ago I wondered if any of them would puke on me but they all fired up and run, well, probably better after I blew about 8 years of gunk in one of them. Friggin' things seem to be indestructible.... uh oh
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So far so good after a day, but previous quick disconnects weren't daily. Just almost. We'll see how goes tomorrow and on.



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said by NetFixer:

said by antdude:

I am not sure if this was the same before, but my physical router's Cisco Systems logo is orange color instead of white. I can't really remember if it was white. My brain thinks it was white before. However, I read that this is for EasySetup which I never used and pretty sure I disabled.

»homecommunity.cisco.com/t5/Wirel···-p/54559

The Cisco logo is the Router’s SecureEasySetup button. It lights up and will stay orange when the Router is powered on. The color orange indicates that the Router is not using the SecureEasySetup feature, while the color white indicates that the Router is using the SecureEasySetup feature

Yeah, I am not using that feature.
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said by NetFixer:

The Cisco logo is the Router’s SecureEasySetup button. It lights up and will stay orange when the Router is powered on. The color orange indicates that the Router is not using the SecureEasySetup feature, while the color white indicates that the Router is using the SecureEasySetup feature

Actually the cisco light leds are connected to gpio pins, and can be controlled by the user to signal any condition.


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within the stock firmware and without modification to the board?


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said by Mike Wolf:

within the stock firmware and without modification to the board?

no mods, but not sure if the crippled fw gives access to gpio commands.


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Don't think I've ever seen any options regarding that light except for the white and amber for the SecureEasySetup function. Would be cool for it to do other things, but I can't think of anything except for perhaps a notification if its overheating or overwhelmed?


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Don't think I've ever seen any options regarding that light except for the white and amber for the SecureEasySetup function. Would be cool for it to do other things, but I can't think of anything except for perhaps a notification if its overheating or overwhelmed?

default ddwrt uses the light to indicate active wan connection. It could be used to show a specific wireless client, or maybe low memory, or too many tcp connections or just randomly flashing hypnotic device..
GPIO pins are just that. They can be toggled by software at any time.


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very nice. I wonder if the same can be done to the E4200 white LED on the top.


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said by Mike Wolf:

very nice. I wonder if the same can be done to the E4200 white LED on the top.

probably. You need to find where the leds are connected.
For example
»www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/LED_Scripts


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said by antdude:

So far so good after a day, but previous quick disconnects weren't daily. Just almost. We'll see how goes tomorrow and on.

Bad news after six days of no two seconds disconnections. It happened again this morning. I guess resetting back to default settings and reconfiguring from scratch to minimal required settings did not fix it.

I think I will try a third party firmware next?
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It's white if you use their easy setup button, it’s been awhile but when you press the Cisco logo it starts the process and the LED flashes white while other easy-setup devices are allowed to connect. After its done flashing it should stay solid white.

If you are not using that feature it will be orange, and it is possible to not be lit up at all if you turn the radio off.

Since you reloaded from backup it probably treats the saved settings as if you manually entered them, which would explain the orange illumination of the logo.



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It's white if you use their easy setup button, it’s been awhile but when you press the Cisco logo it starts the process and the LED flashes white while other easy-setup devices are allowed to connect. After its done flashing it should stay solid white.

If you are not using that feature it will be orange, and it is possible to not be lit up at all if you turn the radio off.

Since you reloaded from backup it probably treats the saved settings as if you manually entered them, which would explain the orange illumination of the logo.

I did not restore from backup. I did the reconfiguration from scratch (physically held down the button for about ten seconds; did not disconnect anything either).
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Ah, well there you go so the orange is normal.



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said by antdude:

said by antdude:

So far so good after a day, but previous quick disconnects weren't daily. Just almost. We'll see how goes tomorrow and on.

Bad news after six days of no two seconds disconnections. It happened again this morning. I guess resetting back to default settings and reconfiguring from scratch to minimal required settings did not fix it. ...

Interesting. It is not daily disconnections anymore since the quick physical reset on 11/21/2012:
...
[2012-11-21 13:21:11] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-11-27 09:32:24] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-11-27 09:32:26] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-02 15:18:20] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-02 15:18:22] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
...
It looks like it is about every six/6 days now?

Question when resetting, am I really supposed to hold down the physical reset button for 30 seconds, unplug power, hold it down again for another 30 seconds, replugged power and do another 30 seconds for its 30-30-30 rule? I only did the reset button for about ten seconds on the 21st.
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Your 30-30-30 method certainly can't hurt anything, and I have seen it fix borked D-Link, Linksys, Motorola, and Netgear routers on multiple occasions.

Just a couple of weeks ago, I used that method to revive a new D-Link router that seemed to have gotten bricked by a firmware upgrade. There was no ping response, no html or telnet response, and it did not even show up in an ARP scan, but after the 30-30-30 reset I was able to restart the firmware upgrade and get the router back on-line. The same 30-30-30 reset method also fixed a VPN pass through problem for me a couple of months ago on a Netgear router.

What you are currently seeing sounds somewhat like the problem I recently ran into with a new Vonage VDV23 router where it was rebooting every time it renewed the ISP's DHCP lease. That turned out to be a "known problem" for which Vonage did not have a fix (except for me to bring my old Linksys RTP300 out of retirement, and put the VDV23 back into its shipping box). »[Equipment] !#$%&! VDV23
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Your 30-30-30 method certainly can't hurt anything, and I have seen it fix borked D-Link, Linksys, Motorola, and Netgear routers on multiple occasions.

Just a couple of weeks ago, I used that method to revive a new D-Link router that seemed to have gotten bricked by a firmware upgrade. There was no ping response, no html or telnet response, and it did not even show up in an ARP scan, but after the 30-30-30 reset I was able to restart the firmware upgrade and get the router back on-line. The same 30-30-30 reset method also fixed a VPN pass through problem for me a couple of months ago on a Netgear router.

What you are currently seeing sounds somewhat like the problem I recently ran into with a new Vonage VDV23 router where it was rebooting every time it renewed the ISP's DHCP lease. That turned out to be a "known problem" for which Vonage did not have a fix (except for me to bring my old Linksys RTP300 out of retirement, and put the VDV23 back into its shipping box). »[Equipment] !#$%&! VDV23

Interesting. I think I will go try 30-30-30 right in a few minutes since I have some free time before I get BUSY again!

Known issue? How did you find that out? I would like to see that on my side if possible. I wonder if Time Warner Cable changed something recently on this 3.2 years old Ambit/Ubee U10C018 cable modem from 9/7/2008.
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said by antdude:

Known issue? How did you find that out?

After jerking me around for a couple of days, Vonage admitted it (details and evidence were provided in the link).

said by antdude:

I would like to see that on my side if possible. I wonder if Time Warner Cable changed something recently on this 3.2 years old Ambit/Ubee U10C018 cable modem from 9/7/2008.

It isn't always easy to find the WAN DHCP lease time in a residential/soho grade router. In my Linksys RTP300 and my D-Link DIR655 it only shows up in the external syslog that resides on my Windows server. It does not show anywhere in the html admin menu in either of those routers or in my cable modem (only my Netgear WNR1000v2 provides that information easily).






RTP300 log excerpt:
Dec 01 12:31:26 192.168.9.12  [001310ABE4FD] udhcpc: DNS Server 75.75.75.75 obtained
Dec 01 12:31:26 192.168.9.12  [001310ABE4FD] udhcpc: Lease of 67.177.172.231 obtained, lease time 345600
 
DIR655 log excerpt:
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: DHCPC get gateway = 107.3.232.1 
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: Sending select for 107.3.234.161... 
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: Lease of 107.3.234.161 obtained, lease time 219048 
 



Well, actually it is available in the DIR655's internal log display page, but the log is so detailed, and the internal storage is limited, so any particular event is likely to scroll past viewing range before you can see it anywhere but the archived syslog.




Even if you find that your reboot/disconnect problem is related to renewing the ISP DHCP lease, there may not be anything you can do about (other than getting another router) it if the hard 30-30-30 reset doesn't fix it. That was my only possible solution for my Vonage VDV23's reboot on lease renewal problem.

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said by NetFixer:

said by antdude:

Known issue? How did you find that out?

After jerking me around for a couple of days, Vonage admitted it (details and evidence were provided in the link).

said by antdude:

I would like to see that on my side if possible. I wonder if Time Warner Cable changed something recently on this 3.2 years old Ambit/Ubee U10C018 cable modem from 9/7/2008.

It isn't always easy to find the WAN DHCP lease time in a residential/soho grade router. In my Linksys RTP300 and my D-Link DIR655 it only shows up in the external syslog that resides on my Windows server. It does not show anywhere in the html admin menu in either of those routers or in my cable modem (only my Netgear WNR1000v2 provides that information easily).

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RTP300 log excerpt:
Dec 01 12:31:26 192.168.9.12  [001310ABE4FD] udhcpc: DNS Server 75.75.75.75 obtained
Dec 01 12:31:26 192.168.9.12  [001310ABE4FD] udhcpc: Lease of 67.177.172.231 obtained, lease time 345600
 
DIR655 log excerpt:
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: DHCPC get gateway = 107.3.232.1 
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: Sending select for 107.3.234.161... 
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: Lease of 107.3.234.161 obtained, lease time 219048 
 



Even if you find that your reboot/disconnect problem is related to renewing the ISP DHCP lease, there may not be anything you can do about (other than getting another router) it if the hard 30-30-30 reset doesn't fix it. That was my only possible solution for my Vonage VDV23's reboot on lease renewal problem.

Thanks. I hope I did the 30-30-30 correctly since I counted with my mouth. ;)

Yeah, I couldn't find the DHCP times in 192.168.1.1 web pages. Oh well, I guess I will have to live with the problem if it still exists or get a new one. I noticed the rare disconnections are two seconds long and some of my WAN connections do not get dropped like my SSH. Although IM and IRC connections do get dropped so it's not too bad.

I should try power cycling my cable modem too. I will do that if the problem returns. I want to narrow down things first. ;)


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Thanks. I hope I did the 30-30-30 correctly since I counted with my mouth.

Yeah, I couldn't find the DHCP times in 192.168.1.1 web pages. Oh well, I guess I will have to live with the problem if it still exists or get a new one. I noticed the rare disconnections are two seconds long and some of my WAN connections do not get dropped like my SSH. Although IM and IRC connections do get dropped so it's not too bad.

I should try power cycling my cable modem too. I will do that if the problem returns. I want to narrow down things first.
30-30-30 method did not fix the problem since it didn't last four days:

[2012-12-02 18:01:36] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-06 08:12:52] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-06 08:12:54] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up

Tomorrow/Later this weekend, I will try power cycling my old cable modem next to see if it makes any differences. I doubt it.


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Had a befsr41 v1.4 I think- Just retired it as it was very old
Wrt54G v2 with ddwrt- died in 2007
Wrt54g v8.2 with ddwrt- died in 2009
Currently have but haven't used yet Wrt54G v5 with ddwrt loaded (may give this to neighbor as his version 8 keeps dying).

Currently running- Hotbrick LB-2VPN unit. Others have told me it is a POS, but as a basic Dual-Wan router with static DHCP and the basics, it seems to be holding up well.
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why not a new post 2010 router? Something that natively supports IPv6, faster processor, more flash and ram memory, and stuff. I'm just baffled by why this wasn't the first action.



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I might get one later this year... ubiquiti is coming out with an edgemax dual wan router for $99 that will do IPv6 and such. I figure hold off till then.



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said by David:

Had a befsr41 v1.4 I think- Just retired it as it was very old
Wrt54G v2 with ddwrt- died in 2007
Wrt54g v8.2 with ddwrt- died in 2009
Currently have but haven't used yet Wrt54G v5 with ddwrt loaded (may give this to neighbor as his version 8 keeps dying).

Currently running- Hotbrick LB-2VPN unit. Others have told me it is a POS, but as a basic Dual-Wan router with static DHCP and the basics, it seems to be holding up well.

How long did they those last?
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said by David:

I might get one later this year... ubiquiti is coming out with an edgemax dual wan router for $99 that will do IPv6 and such. I figure hold off till then.

Uh, why replying to me? :P