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Re: How long do Linksys routers last?

Your 30-30-30 method certainly can't hurt anything, and I have seen it fix borked D-Link, Linksys, Motorola, and Netgear routers on multiple occasions.

Just a couple of weeks ago, I used that method to revive a new D-Link router that seemed to have gotten bricked by a firmware upgrade. There was no ping response, no html or telnet response, and it did not even show up in an ARP scan, but after the 30-30-30 reset I was able to restart the firmware upgrade and get the router back on-line. The same 30-30-30 reset method also fixed a VPN pass through problem for me a couple of months ago on a Netgear router.

What you are currently seeing sounds somewhat like the problem I recently ran into with a new Vonage VDV23 router where it was rebooting every time it renewed the ISP's DHCP lease. That turned out to be a "known problem" for which Vonage did not have a fix (except for me to bring my old Linksys RTP300 out of retirement, and put the VDV23 back into its shipping box). »[Equipment] !#$%&! VDV23
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said by NetFixer:

Your 30-30-30 method certainly can't hurt anything, and I have seen it fix borked D-Link, Linksys, Motorola, and Netgear routers on multiple occasions.

Just a couple of weeks ago, I used that method to revive a new D-Link router that seemed to have gotten bricked by a firmware upgrade. There was no ping response, no html or telnet response, and it did not even show up in an ARP scan, but after the 30-30-30 reset I was able to restart the firmware upgrade and get the router back on-line. The same 30-30-30 reset method also fixed a VPN pass through problem for me a couple of months ago on a Netgear router.

What you are currently seeing sounds somewhat like the problem I recently ran into with a new Vonage VDV23 router where it was rebooting every time it renewed the ISP's DHCP lease. That turned out to be a "known problem" for which Vonage did not have a fix (except for me to bring my old Linksys RTP300 out of retirement, and put the VDV23 back into its shipping box). »[Equipment] !#$%&! VDV23

Interesting. I think I will go try 30-30-30 right in a few minutes since I have some free time before I get BUSY again!

Known issue? How did you find that out? I would like to see that on my side if possible. I wonder if Time Warner Cable changed something recently on this 3.2 years old Ambit/Ubee U10C018 cable modem from 9/7/2008.
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said by antdude:

Known issue? How did you find that out?

After jerking me around for a couple of days, Vonage admitted it (details and evidence were provided in the link).

said by antdude:

I would like to see that on my side if possible. I wonder if Time Warner Cable changed something recently on this 3.2 years old Ambit/Ubee U10C018 cable modem from 9/7/2008.

It isn't always easy to find the WAN DHCP lease time in a residential/soho grade router. In my Linksys RTP300 and my D-Link DIR655 it only shows up in the external syslog that resides on my Windows server. It does not show anywhere in the html admin menu in either of those routers or in my cable modem (only my Netgear WNR1000v2 provides that information easily).






RTP300 log excerpt:
Dec 01 12:31:26 192.168.9.12  [001310ABE4FD] udhcpc: DNS Server 75.75.75.75 obtained
Dec 01 12:31:26 192.168.9.12  [001310ABE4FD] udhcpc: Lease of 67.177.172.231 obtained, lease time 345600
 
DIR655 log excerpt:
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: DHCPC get gateway = 107.3.232.1 
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: Sending select for 107.3.234.161... 
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: Lease of 107.3.234.161 obtained, lease time 219048 
 



Well, actually it is available in the DIR655's internal log display page, but the log is so detailed, and the internal storage is limited, so any particular event is likely to scroll past viewing range before you can see it anywhere but the archived syslog.




Even if you find that your reboot/disconnect problem is related to renewing the ISP DHCP lease, there may not be anything you can do about (other than getting another router) it if the hard 30-30-30 reset doesn't fix it. That was my only possible solution for my Vonage VDV23's reboot on lease renewal problem.

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said by NetFixer:

said by antdude:

Known issue? How did you find that out?

After jerking me around for a couple of days, Vonage admitted it (details and evidence were provided in the link).

said by antdude:

I would like to see that on my side if possible. I wonder if Time Warner Cable changed something recently on this 3.2 years old Ambit/Ubee U10C018 cable modem from 9/7/2008.

It isn't always easy to find the WAN DHCP lease time in a residential/soho grade router. In my Linksys RTP300 and my D-Link DIR655 it only shows up in the external syslog that resides on my Windows server. It does not show anywhere in the html admin menu in either of those routers or in my cable modem (only my Netgear WNR1000v2 provides that information easily).

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RTP300 log excerpt:
Dec 01 12:31:26 192.168.9.12  [001310ABE4FD] udhcpc: DNS Server 75.75.75.75 obtained
Dec 01 12:31:26 192.168.9.12  [001310ABE4FD] udhcpc: Lease of 67.177.172.231 obtained, lease time 345600
 
DIR655 log excerpt:
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: DHCPC get gateway = 107.3.232.1 
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: Sending select for 107.3.234.161... 
Dec 02 20:42:26 192.168.9.254 Dec  2 20:42:02 udhcpc[129]: Lease of 107.3.234.161 obtained, lease time 219048 
 



Even if you find that your reboot/disconnect problem is related to renewing the ISP DHCP lease, there may not be anything you can do about (other than getting another router) it if the hard 30-30-30 reset doesn't fix it. That was my only possible solution for my Vonage VDV23's reboot on lease renewal problem.

Thanks. I hope I did the 30-30-30 correctly since I counted with my mouth. ;)

Yeah, I couldn't find the DHCP times in 192.168.1.1 web pages. Oh well, I guess I will have to live with the problem if it still exists or get a new one. I noticed the rare disconnections are two seconds long and some of my WAN connections do not get dropped like my SSH. Although IM and IRC connections do get dropped so it's not too bad.

I should try power cycling my cable modem too. I will do that if the problem returns. I want to narrow down things first. ;)


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Thanks. I hope I did the 30-30-30 correctly since I counted with my mouth.

Yeah, I couldn't find the DHCP times in 192.168.1.1 web pages. Oh well, I guess I will have to live with the problem if it still exists or get a new one. I noticed the rare disconnections are two seconds long and some of my WAN connections do not get dropped like my SSH. Although IM and IRC connections do get dropped so it's not too bad.

I should try power cycling my cable modem too. I will do that if the problem returns. I want to narrow down things first.
30-30-30 method did not fix the problem since it didn't last four days:

[2012-12-02 18:01:36] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-06 08:12:52] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-06 08:12:54] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up

Tomorrow/Later this weekend, I will try power cycling my old cable modem next to see if it makes any differences. I doubt it.


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Had a befsr41 v1.4 I think- Just retired it as it was very old
Wrt54G v2 with ddwrt- died in 2007
Wrt54g v8.2 with ddwrt- died in 2009
Currently have but haven't used yet Wrt54G v5 with ddwrt loaded (may give this to neighbor as his version 8 keeps dying).

Currently running- Hotbrick LB-2VPN unit. Others have told me it is a POS, but as a basic Dual-Wan router with static DHCP and the basics, it seems to be holding up well.
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why not a new post 2010 router? Something that natively supports IPv6, faster processor, more flash and ram memory, and stuff. I'm just baffled by why this wasn't the first action.



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I might get one later this year... ubiquiti is coming out with an edgemax dual wan router for $99 that will do IPv6 and such. I figure hold off till then.



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said by David:

Had a befsr41 v1.4 I think- Just retired it as it was very old
Wrt54G v2 with ddwrt- died in 2007
Wrt54g v8.2 with ddwrt- died in 2009
Currently have but haven't used yet Wrt54G v5 with ddwrt loaded (may give this to neighbor as his version 8 keeps dying).

Currently running- Hotbrick LB-2VPN unit. Others have told me it is a POS, but as a basic Dual-Wan router with static DHCP and the basics, it seems to be holding up well.

How long did they those last?
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said by David:

I might get one later this year... ubiquiti is coming out with an edgemax dual wan router for $99 that will do IPv6 and such. I figure hold off till then.

Uh, why replying to me? :P


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I think the r41 I retired due to age.

the v2 I got in 2004
the v8.2 my mom purchased in 2006 (this one was short lived)



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I think it was to mike wolf..



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said by David:

I think the r41 I retired due to age.

the v2 I got in 2004
the v8.2 my mom purchased in 2006 (this one was short lived)

Interesting and thanks.

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said by Mike Wolf:

why not a new post 2010 router? Something that natively supports IPv6, faster processor, more flash and ram memory, and stuff. I'm just baffled by why this wasn't the first action.

WRT54g v2,3,4 will handle up to 20Mbps, IPv6, bandwidth monitor, direct access to iptables and scripts.
Three for the same price as a new one. Can use as spares or setup a networking lab.


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true but still limited to 20Mbps and really who has an internet connection below that speed? I'd just get one good router and have it last the 8 to 12 years between replacement cycles.



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said by Mike Wolf:

true but still limited to 20Mbps and really who has an internet connection below that speed? I'd just get one good router and have it last the 8 to 12 years between replacement cycles.

Just about anyone using AT&T?
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Oh that's horrible I didn't even know they were still in the internet business, I thought they sold that off and was only doing tv at this point. Still, anyone who has a faster then 20Mbps connection shouldn't be limiting themselves by a bottleneck router.



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said by Mike Wolf:

Oh that's horrible I didn't even know they were still in the internet business, I thought they sold that off and was only doing tv at this point. Still, anyone who has a faster then 20Mbps connection shouldn't be limiting themselves by a bottleneck router.

Read it and weep for those who have no other choice than AT&T for their internet connectivity:

My AT&T DSL backup connection:



My AT&T 3G backup connection:



FWIW, I have seen results that are better than the above from AT&T, but what you see is what I just got when I tested to reply to this thread.
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I'm so sorry There should be a law against such slow speeds. A violation for denying a basic human right



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I'm so sorry There should be a law against such slow speeds. A violation for denying a basic human right

Fortunately, I only use the AT&T connections for backup and testing. My Comcast Business Class service performs a bit better (although I know that some will consider that speed pathetic too).



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quote:
Thanks. I hope I did the 30-30-30 correctly since I counted with my mouth.

Yeah, I couldn't find the DHCP times in 192.168.1.1 web pages. Oh well, I guess I will have to live with the problem if it still exists or get a new one. I noticed the rare disconnections are two seconds long and some of my WAN connections do not get dropped like my SSH. Although IM and IRC connections do get dropped so it's not too bad.

I should try power cycling my cable modem too. I will do that if the problem returns. I want to narrow down things first.
30-30-30 method did not fix the problem since it didn't last four days:

[2012-12-02 18:01:36] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-06 08:12:52] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-06 08:12:54] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up

Tomorrow/Later this weekend, I will try power cycling my old cable modem next to see if it makes any differences. I doubt it.

It happened again this morning after I power cycled on 12/6/2012 evening PST. I give up. I guess a new router is needed if this gets any worse.
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That's not so bad, at least its symmetrical.



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Now, only a second long.

I just had another one and noticed a new pattern. It is only a second long now. Haha:
...
[2012-12-12 08:20:42] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-12 08:20:43] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-14 07:47:06] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-14 07:47:07] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up

--

12/15/2012 1:18 PM PST:

Nope, two seconds again for today. Now, it is almost daily. No specific pattern these days now:
...
[2012-12-06 08:12:52] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-06 08:12:54] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-10 08:23:21] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-10 08:23:23] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-12 08:20:43] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-12 08:20:44] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-14 07:47:07] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-14 07:47:08] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
[2012-12-15 08:57:00] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link down
[2012-12-15 08:57:02] r8169 0000:04:00.0: eth0: link up
...



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I think it is time to buy a new one...

Uh oh. I just had a major lag tonight on my LAN. My router didn't respond back to my pings either. I think my router is getting worse so I better start looking for a new one. It looks like there is a post-Christmas sale. Any suggestions on what to get for cheap for a small house and that work well for hardwired (giga speed), wireless, and have third party firmware support from »www.salescircular.com/ca/compute···np.shtml list?

Thank you in advance.
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well the EA2700 has gigabit LAN and WAN and its a good price. »homestore.cisco.com/en-us/Router···prod.htm



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well the EA2700 has gigabit LAN and WAN and its a good price. »homestore.cisco.com/en-us/Router···prod.htm

Thanks. Darn, it's not in the list. I will think about it.
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The native interface isn't that

Good luck and happy shopping.


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8 years strong

8 years for the WRT54G/L version 4 still going strong, rock solid, always running stock firmware, never rebooted, never drop connection. Only time was rebooted when lost power or ISP had outages.

Same for the Motorola SB5100 series 8 years of service, rock solid. I just replaced the Motorola with the SB6121 and so far has been great. Cheers

Need to mention I setup a Netgear GS105 switch between the SB6121 and Linksys WRT54G as SB6121 is 1Gbps only and can't talk to Linksys 10/100Mbps.


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said by marinemaster:

Need to mention I setup a Netgear GS105 switch between the SB6121 and Linksys WRT54G as SB6121 is 1Gbps only and can't talk to Linksys 10/100Mbps.

SB6121 is capable of 10/100/1G, see this link.
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That's correct, the SB6121 is backwards supportive of 10/100 switches and routers and computers. I have this exact modem and switch between an E1200 and EA4500 sometimes, all without a hiccup.