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Gone
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Fort Erie, ON
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reply to Robrr

Re: Gasoline Prices Below 99 Cents/Litre By Christmas

said by Robrr:

The bold section is what you are failing to understand. Mike2009, Vue666, myself and others don't want computers running the car.

He does understand. The point he is making is that you guys don't matter.


TLS2000
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said by Gone:

said by Robrr:

The bold section is what you are failing to understand. Mike2009, Vue666, myself and others don't want computers running the car.

He does understand. The point he is making is that you guys don't matter.

True. I love my stick shift, but they will disappear within a decade.
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booj

join:2011-02-07
Richmond, ON
said by TLS2000:

True. I love my stick shift, but they will disappear within a decade.

They won't in smaller cars that easily meet MPG requirements. Adding the costs of a DSG to those cars is a non-starter.


dirtyjeffer
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London, ON
said by booj:

said by TLS2000:

True. I love my stick shift, but they will disappear within a decade.

They won't in smaller cars that easily meet MPG requirements. Adding the costs of a DSG to those cars is a non-starter.

might not take a decade...the take rates on manual transmission cars (in most brands) is abysmal at best...Mercedes no longer makes a manual transmission (even as an option) in any of their cars.
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Gone
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said by dirtyjeffer:

might not take a decade...the take rates on manual transmission cars (in most brands) is abysmal at best...Mercedes no longer makes a manual transmission (even as an option) in any of their cars.

For what it's worth, the manual shift control on their automatic transmissions do a good, but not perfect, approximation of a true manual transmission.

booj

join:2011-02-07
Richmond, ON
reply to dirtyjeffer
The cheaper end of the car spectrum will include manuals for many decades to come. That's how I see it.

Fuel efficient automatic transmissions cost about 2k. This cost may not be that relevant when buying a Mercedes, but when buying a sub 20k car it sure is.


dirtyjeffer
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said by booj:

The cheaper end of the car spectrum will include manuals for many decades to come. That's how I see it.

Fuel efficient automatic transmissions cost about 2k. This cost may not be that relevant when buying a Mercedes, but when buying a sub 20k car it sure is.

considering a vast number of car buyers are financing their purchase, and that most automatics add about $1200 to the price of the car (not sure where your $2k figure comes from), that only amounts to about $15-$20/month on your payment...i doubt it would be a deal breaker...as well, it is possible that if the only transmission that was purchased and installed was the same automatic transmission, it would also enable the auto company to get better pricing and more efficient assembly which will help keep costs lower as well.
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Robrr

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Guelph, ON

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said by dirtyjeffer:

might not take a decade...the take rates on manual transmission cars (in most brands) is abysmal at best...Mercedes no longer makes a manual transmission (even as an option) in any of their cars.

Incorrect. The SLK is still available with a 6-speed manual transmission.

»www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/can···tion_tag

Robrr

join:2008-04-19
Guelph, ON
reply to Gone
said by Gone:

said by Robrr:

The bold section is what you are failing to understand. Mike2009, Vue666, myself and others don't want computers running the car.

He does understand. The point he is making is that you guys don't matter.

Or more appropriately drivers have become complacent, lazy and totally disengage from the act of driving which is why engineers are slowly working to have it so that someday people will just sit in the vehicle and not actually do anything related to driving.

Oh well, at least at the end of the day you'll be able to put take that phone call while putting on your makeup and eating breakfast on your morning commute.


Gone
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said by Robrr:

Oh well, at least at the end of the day you'll be able to put take that phone call while putting on your makeup and eating breakfast on your morning commute.

If Google has anything to do with it, absolutely.

When it comes down to it, how you feel about driving is ultimately irrelevant, as 80-95% of the drivers out there drive to get from A to B or to lug their kids hockey equipment around or whatever. In other words, for utility, not for fun. Car manufacturers will cater to that market while complying with regulations. Providing fuel efficient manual transmissions for the few enthusiasts out there who drive for enjoyment rather than utility simply doesn't make financial sense.

In other words, to say it again, you don't matter. That's just the cold hard truth.


dirtyjeffer
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said by Robrr:

Incorrect. The SLK is still available with a 6-speed manual transmission.

»www.mercedes-benz.ca/content/can···tion_tag

interesting...they have brought one back...perhaps for the "roadster enthusiast" who wants to step up from a Miata...i remember reading a year or two ago that Mercedes was no longer offering manuals...as well, that is the ONLY vehicle they offer with a manual...a "base model" SLK...unlikely to sell that many anyway.
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vue666
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said by Robrr:

said by Gone:

said by Robrr:

The bold section is what you are failing to understand. Mike2009, Vue666, myself and others don't want computers running the car.

He does understand. The point he is making is that you guys don't matter.

Or more appropriately drivers have become complacent, lazy and totally disengage from the act of driving which is why engineers are slowly working to have it so that someday people will just sit in the vehicle and not actually do anything related to driving.

Oh well, at least at the end of the day you'll be able to put take that phone call while putting on your makeup and eating breakfast on your morning commute.

You mean like those cars that paralell park assistance?


dirtyjeffer
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said by vue666:

You mean like those cars that paralell park assistance?

i get a kick out of that feature...on a big truck or van, i get it...but a Focus with parallel park assist??...really???...if you can't parallel park a Focus, stay off the fucking roads.

it reminded me of a debate i had with some people on another board about the Scion iQ...they rambled on about how great of a car this was for "urban commuters"...i countered that it had a lot of drawbacks to other cars like a Honda Fit, or Kia Rio5...they said the small size of iQ was perfect for someone who doesn't need a larger vehicle and that the iQ's size would be easier to manage in the city...again, if you can't manage a Honda Fit or a Rio5, take the bus and don't drive a car, period.
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