i agree Melisandre seems too fascinated with Jon in book 5 for him to stay dead for long. Jon's the only leader who can ever hope to unify the northerners, free folk and black to keep out the white walkers, so we really need him alive. book 6 "the Winds of Winter" must be mostly about pushing back that invasion, and the people of the north and middle continent surviving starvation as their crops fail to the cold.
i don't think Dany was crazy at the end of book 5, it was just another magical warg'like way for her to bond with a dragon similar to burning on the funeral pire back when they hatched. so i'm less concerned with her sanity and her off the chain dragons that i am with her politics of being able to keep freeing slaves on her way south, when so many deep pocket slave owner cities on the way will conspire against her.
"later bitch" i don't recall him saying that, it just seemed that way. remember Jon left one the oven, and he's an honorable guy.
OK. So they do that, and defeat the white walkers. Life goes on. In the epilogue, Jon has a Daughter, and names her Lyanna. Sam falls in love with her. Dany has a son, and names him Rhaegar. Jon's family is invited to a tourney in the South. Rhaegar falls in love with Lyanna. On the way back North, Lyanna goes missing. It seems Rhaegar took her. Jon demands Lyanna back. Dany demands Jon come South to discuss. Burns him up with a Dragon. Selmy is horrified. Sam begins a rebellion..... -- Play DSLr Mafia: »Pub Games
OK. So they do that, and defeat the white walkers. Life goes on. In the epilogue, Jon has a Daughter, and names her Lyanna. Sam falls in love with her. Dany has a son, and names him Rhaegar. Jon's family is invited to a tourney in the South. Rhaegar falls in love with Lyanna. On the way back North, Lyanna goes missing. It seems Rhaegar took her. Jon demands Lyanna back. Dany demands Jon come South to discuss. Burns him up with a Dragon. Selmy is horrified. Sam begins a rebellion.....
Lol! -- Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
regarding conan: what kind of actress does a roll based on decade old books without reading them and knowing their fate - amatures
I read an interview with the dude who played Robb, who explained that he didn't want knowledge of future events to interfere with how he perceived or played his character. For that reason he read each book right before they started filming the corresponding season. I bet book 3 was a shock... -- The world was movin' she was right there with it and she was
I don't know shit about acting or actors' methods, but here's the quote:
Q: When did you know Robb would die?
A: Essentially, as soon as I got the job, people managed to spoil that for me. They'd be like, "Oh, my God, your death, that was so terrible!" And you're like, "What? Oh, right." But I read [the books] season by season, because I never wanted to preempt where the character went. As an actor, it was much better challenge for me to make decisions based on the scripts and based on the first book and then the second book. By the time you get to the third book, and Robb's making other decisions, then I'm, as an actor, forced to bend the path that I've took Robb on and change it and keep the surprises coming. Hopefully I've managed to do that.
Plus you have to remember that the Starks and the Tullys are honorable. They would never do anything like attack one of their vassals without good reason. Also, it's difficult as hell to lay siege to a castle, especially one of your own, when there's a war going on. Last thing they wanted was Frey turning cloak (I mean he did, but that wasn't Robb's plan....).
Honor is in the Tully motto so that does make sense. It seems to me though that Walder Frey as depicted in the show is the type of person who would betray his oaths, but only from a position of strength. If you're desperate to use The Crossing, he'll make you pay dearly. He'll only betray the Starks and Tullys when they are defenseless in his castle. But is he the type who would openly defy Hoster, if he had been summoned between the Battle of the Whispering Wood and Robb's marriage and ordered to pledge his armies to the cause? All of the other Lords appeared to have fully joined in the War, why'd Hoster let Walder have a pass with the token contribution he gave Robb at The Crossing and not even ask for more men? Is this addressed in Book 2 or 3?
Yeuuup! My brain still hasn't recovered from the utter shock. And this is a day before the Finale!!! I'm hopeful, the finale will redirect my feelings on the show and maybe a bit more Daenery's & Dragons storyline - and a bit more about Bran Stark too before I'm left in a holding pattern until the next GoT season.
Meanwhiles. . . the other half of me is looking forwards to seeing the season premiere of Falling Skies the same night, and it better not disappoint. I plan to rewatch the last season finale so I can mentally seque into the premiere when it airs. *CHEERS* -- ----|- From the mind located in the shadows of infinity -|---- Nine.Zero.Burp.Nine.Six Twitter = Twizted Zero Chat = irc.teksavvy.ca
I actually enjoyed tonight's episode quite a bit. Though, I was hoping for more actions in the liberation of Yunkai / Meereen.
The small council meeting with Tywin giving Joffery the dress down was excellent, it was just like how I imagine it in the book.
So, Jon finally got his arrow in the leg (and a couple more!). I thought he was going to get away scotch free. Now, how the hell did Ygritte caught up to him?
Nice that they stay with the novel and got scene of the King of the North with his wolf head mounted on top. Disturbing that the Freys desecrated the former King's body that way. Let's hope that payback is a real bitch for the Freys. Book spoiler: I wonder if Michelle Fairley is coming back as Lady Stoneheart. Or if there is going to be a LS character in the TV series.
Arya's character is becoming more worrisome. Continue to witness the atrocity to her family. I just hope that GRRM does not make her into a cruel person with no redeeming quality at the end of the storyline. Book spoiler: Having Arya killing Dareon by herself was a bit of a shock to me, as it indicated that Arya is moving closer to the "dark side".
I enjoyed the episode, too. I thought that they did as well as they could with what is essentially a split season. There was much to savor here:
- As mentioned, the small council meeting with Tywin's and Tyrion's treatment of Joffrey, as well as that exchange between Tywin and Tyrion after the meeting broke up.
- Arya didn't disappoint me. I thought she was magnificent. Give her a break -- it was the guy who put the dire wolf's head on her murdered brother. Where did you get that knife?
- Bran's story about how the cook was turned into a rat not because he baked the visiting king's son into a pie and fed it to the king, but because he violated the law of hospitality (hint, hint).
- Hodor likes echoes.
- Dragons are cool. Flying dragons are cooler. While the closing scene didn't have quite the emotional wallop that I think they wanted, it was fine. And I guess Jorah gets to stick around, at least for a little while longer. I wonder if they'll return to the book plot and have Dany find out he was spying on her and banish him.
And I guess the answer to our discussions about what they were going to show in this final episode versus what they will save for next season is that they saved everything. They kept a lot of powder dry.
No way they're going to eliminate Lady Stoneheart (he said hopefully). I was hoping they would show the scene where the Lannister soldiers mocked the Tully funeral tradition of sending a pyre down the river by throwing Catelyn's naked body into the river. -- Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Are they starting to stretch things out so that they can milk as much profit out of this series? It sure felt like that with this episode. There was no finale feel at all.
The best scene IMO was the Tywin & Tyrion scene. The dude playing Tywin will hopefully get an emmy nomination for his work. -- An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Sir Winston Churchill
Someone told me the the whole Theon capture and torture took up a very short space in the book. If this is true I wonder why they are dragging it on, perhaps it's just an opportunity to perpetuate on screen depravity...
It's a slide show thingy so I can't copy-and-paste, but here's an appetizer:
How The Show Was Better: It's a weird thing to say about a season-long torture subplot, but the Zero Dark Theon scenes this season were excellent, and revelatory for both book purists and TV fans. None of it appeared in the Season 3 source novel, Storm of Swords; rather, we found out about it later in flashback--after Theon had become Reek. The show's willingness to pull in a storyline from another book was the biggest structural innovation of the season, and leaves me wondering what other creative rearrangements we might see in Season 4. While it was shocking for book readers to encounter Theon later as a broken, changed man, watching the process slowly unfold as his tormentor took him apart, piece by piece -- literally -- was both painful and fascinating. Theon's castration had always been implied in the books, but never confirmed. It was also interesting to finally see sexual violence directed at a man after so many scenes involving women, not only because it acknowledges the taboo fact that sexual violence happens to men too, but also because it affirms for the millionth time how terrible life is in Westeros. For everyone.
What We Missed From the Book: Knowing the name of Theon's torturer. The mystery is, frankly, a bit tedious at this point. I know that mixing lies and truth is all a part of his very special reindeer game, but enough already.
Also, here's a funny "Nudity by the Numbers" article on nudity statistics for Season 3:
The Daily Beast has tallied the total instances of nudity in Season 3 overall, occurences in each episode, and given up to five dragons to the most salacious installments.
I wouldn't call it awful, but yeah, in comparison to the other season finales this one seemed a bit...lame. Season 1: Dany walks into fire; dragons live again. Season 2: The White Walkers begin their march to the Wall. Season 3: Dany...crowd-surfs?!
So Tywin promised Walder Frey Riverrun. I'm guessing Littlefinger was sent to marry Lysa Arryn to keep her from trying to retake Riverrun as her and her son would be next in line with Edmure locked up. He really thought things through.
Heh, two great quotes in this article, one by Tyrion and one by Tywin:
Killed a few puppies today? his uncle Tyrion asked him, voicing what we were all wondering. Joffrey, of course, was happy about the death of the unfortunate wedding guestsRobb Stark, his wife, and his motherand he excitedly ordered that Robbs head be sent to him so that he could serve it to Sansa, Robbs sister, at his wedding feast. Joffrey is an inventive leader, with a flair for experimentation. Occasionally, his advisershis mother and grandfathertry to rein him in a bit, and they did here, discouraging the severed-head surprise. I am the king! he yelled, his voice squeaking. Any man who must say I am the king is no true king, his grandfather said, and sent him to bed without supper. Some viewers may have been reminded of the Bush Administration, and felt some sympathy for Dick Cheney.
Personally, my biggest complaint about the series is all the porn scenes, it was refreshing to have have to skip through animal humping scenes.
The slave liberation scene was the weakest part. I know they wanted that scene to be huge and appeal to the young set, but it didn't have the power that the Lawrence of Arabia liberation scenes have for me. It must have cost a fortune to do that scene... -- Join Teams Helix and Discovery. Rest in Peace, Leonard David Smith, my best friend, you are missed badly! Rest in peace, Pop, glad our last years were good. Please pray for Colin, he has ependymoma, a brain cancer, donate to a children's Hospital.