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Mele20
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UTM cookies forced here on Fx and IE! HELP!

I have to click 18 TIMES to stop UTM cookies here for EACH request I make at this site. Logging in is absolute nightmare and then trying to navigate the site is almost impossible if I deny UTM cookies... 18 times I must deny various UTM cookies each time I do anything here.

This is happening on Windows 8 on Fx 10 ESR and IE 10. I have both browsers set to ask me about first party cookies and deny all third party. (For some strange reason the latest version of SeaMonkey doesn't try and set UTM cookies here and I have it set to ask me about each cookie and deny third party ones).

I started a thread in Need Site Help and when I started it I thought the problem only applied to IE. But now I have Fx installed and it, like IE, tries over and over to set the UTM cookies. I cannot tell any of the browsers to just not accept UTM cookies but accept just the two NON TRACKING, NON SPYING dslr login cookies!

I just don't understand this! I am a premium member here for 12 years now and dslr thinks it is acceptable to SPY on me? How do I stop this?

(In order to post this, I will have to deny UTM cookies at least 18 times...maybe more than that). I am not going to preview this because that would mean 18 MORE clicks to deny the UTM cookies.

I decided to add the screen shot. I have now click NO to UTM cookies over 100 times here now just so I could start this thread.

I don't have HostsMan installed yet (plus I have to figure out about stopping Windows defender from messing with the Hosts file- what is its address to add to Defender exclusions?) - so I am not blocking google analytics. I find it hard to believe though that my Hosts file on my XP computer is the reason I am not bothered by UTM cookies on that computer. I haven't always had a hosts file and I wasn't bombarded with these nasty tracking cookies at that time.

Why am I getting these? Why does SeaMonkey seem immune to this nasty spying? I can see unregistered users getting these and maybe even registered non- premium users getting them, but us loyal old timers? NO WAY should I be getting this tracking crap here.

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sivran
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It's a first-party cookie. Big deal. It's not going to follow you to HawaiiPrivacyNuts.org.

Why can't your precious Proxo kill it?
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reply to Mele20
I never realized anything of the sort went on here with cookies. I guess because I've long used MVPS hosts file (which blocks Google Analytics, among many other noxious things), I've never seen these cookies being set on this site... when the Google Analytics site is blocked, the cookie never gets set. There's a lot of browsing grief that gets knocked out "automatically" (ads, cookies, flaky sites, etc) when using a good specialty hosts file. Chalk up another one for MVPS...

edited to add: In Win7, the hosts file lives in C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc
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Dude111
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reply to Mele20

 

I wonder what exactly is calling for that cookie to be downloaded??
 

I just checked my cookie folder and i only have 1 cookie (The main one the site issues)


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Re: UTM cookies forced here on Fx and IE! HELP!

Bastards!
friggin' DSLR is tracking how many times you visit the site, when your last visit was...
Why do they want to know how often you visit this site?
What do they do with this personal & sensitive information?
They probably sell it for profit to the highest bidder who then turns around & uses it for malicious purposes.
Anything for a buck or two, typical sleaze site.
/sarcasm


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Re:  

said by Dude111:

I just checked my cookie folder and i only have 1 cookie (The main one the site issues)

Gosh, hmm maybe the site doesn't care how many times you visit?

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Re: UTM cookies forced here on Fx and IE! HELP!

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plus I have to figure out about stopping Windows defender from messing with the Hosts file- what is its address to add to Defender exclusions?

Hi Mele,

Would this MS article help you:
»support.microsoft.com/kb/2764944

That link was given by Cudni in this thread:
»[Compatibility] Hosts Man w/windows 8 preview


Dustyn
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reply to Mele20
Why don't you ask justin See Profile?

Mele20
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reply to Jrb2
Thank you! That makes it simple...I have information overload right now...need simple ways to do things....I went to bed at 6AM this morning.
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DownTheShore
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reply to Mele20
I don't think that the majority of us here get as upset about cookies from sites we regularly visit as you do, Mele, which is why you're not seeing much like-minded support.

I mean, what the hell are they going to find out? That you logged into a site you always visit and post in via the ISP you usually use, on the computer you usually use, using the operating system and browser you usually use? Where's the big national secret with that?

The bills for this site have to be paid and those of us who are premium members (via a one-time small payment) don't even see the ads that are used to generate the revenue. So what if aggregate data is used to indicate how many eyeballs are on the site at any time? Seems to me to be an inconsequential price to pay to help ensure the continued existence of this site.
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Mele20
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reply to Dustyn
said by Dustyn:

Why don't you ask justin See Profile?

I got it fixed. I installed Ghostery on Fx and it blocks Google Analytics.

I think the reason SeaMonkey seemed immune is because the first thing I did on it (before coming here) was to install Ghostery.

(My Proxomitron does not have current configs because File Explorer can't see the Proxo folder to allow me to drop Sidki's configs in and I don't have any third party unzipping program on this computer. So, Proxo is using config from 2003 and isn't working very well).
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Mele20
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I will not allow Google to rape me of my privacy and these are GOOGLE cookies. I don't even allow Yahoo, Facebook garbage, twitter or any crap when I have my Hosts file set up (which I don't yet). You want to be raped by Google...be my guest...but I won't allow it.

If Justin would like me to pay $10 a year instead of one time, I will do that. I will NOT though allow Google raping. I can go buy some tool points to support the site...I have tool points I have not used, but I can buy more, but I think Justin should just ask us to pay $10 a year instead of one time and stop with the Google tracking crap.

Obviously, you do not understand how tracking and privacy invasion works. I suggest you do some reading. You should NOT have a Google account and NEVER use Gmail or reply to anyone using GMail. Never allow any Google cookies. Set up Google Sharing extension on Fx which obscures all Google searches so you cannot be tracked that way.
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Help me learn about internet rape. Exactly what private information about YOU (obviously you are not just an unidentified droid on a net connection) is available using cookies placed by Google that violates you?
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Dustyn
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reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

I think Justin should just ask us to pay $10 a year instead of one time and stop with the Google tracking crap.

Careful what you wish for.


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I have had at various times programs or applications that easily and unintrusively control specific types of cookies generally referred to as tracking cookies.

In the past they have identified the cookie(s) for DSLR and some certain other forum acquired by log on as "tracking cookies." However, over time they stopped doing that or ceased to ID them as tracking cookies.

Cookies ID'd as tracking in the manner I described are based upon the definition files of the application. What makes the cut and what doesn't is often quite arbitrary by the application designers. Sometimes the innocent get caught up at least for a temporary period of time.


Juggernaut
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said by Dustyn:

Careful what you wish for.

This. And, the tracking would still be there.
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reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

I will not allow Google to rape me of my privacy and these are GOOGLE cookies....You want to be raped by Google...be my guest...but I won't allow it.

I will NOT though allow Google raping.

Obviously, you do not understand how tracking and privacy invasion works. I suggest you do some reading. You should NOT have a Google account and NEVER use Gmail or reply to anyone using GMail. Never allow any Google cookies. Set up Google Sharing extension on Fx which obscures all Google searches so you cannot be tracked that way.

Obviously you do not comprehend what rape truly is, otherwise you would not throw around that word so blithely and in such a wrong context.

I know very well how tracking is done and what kind of privacy can be lost. But we all give up a degree of privacy in all aspects of our lives just to interact with the rest of the world. It's all a matter of perspective on what is worth keeping secret about ourselves and what isn't. To try to control every stray 0-and-1 of data on ourselves and hug it to our bosom as if they were nuggets of pure platinum seems to me to be an exercise in futility; IMO, that just leads to obsession rather than actual security, especially since any one with $29.95 in their pocket can get a full data report on every aspect of your life. And when we're dead, all that data will be useless anyway.

Personally, I don't give a damn what is in Google's database on me because it can't be any more comprehensive than that which the Federal government has on me as a former Federal employee. I gave up any expectation of true anonymity long ago when I took that job. So Google might know which webpages I visit - big deal, so does my ISP. So they might know what I buy - so does my credit card company, my bank and my local supermarket. So they might read my email; my employer had that right all along while I was working and I've never assumed that any email is private. They can use whatever information they have to try to target marketing to me but it doesn't work because my other software strips out the ads and I never see the results of all their nefarious endeavors. This way they are kept happy thinking they are mining data, people have jobs with Google correlating all that data, those happy business entrepreneurs who buy the data happily hire workers, and I continue to happily surf the web never being bothered by the results of all that busy activity.

Hakuna matata.
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nss_tech

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reply to Mele20
@Mele20 Most of the issue you are getting is a bug with Mozilla. When you hit Deny it doesn't seem to recognize it and keeps repeating. I even pulled my network connection to test it on a couple occasions when I ran into this issue. With the network disconnected it kept going over and over so I'm pretty sure it's not the website but more a bug with the browser itself.


ashrc4
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reply to DownTheShore
said by DownTheShore:

......Personally, I don't give a damn what is in Google's database on me because it can't be any more comprehensive than that which the Federal government has on me as a former Federal employee.....So they might read my email; my employer had that right all along while I was working and I've never assumed that any email is private. They can use whatever information they have to try to target marketing to me but it doesn't work because my other software strips out the ads and I never see the results of all their nefarious endeavors.

That info you willing give up can still be used against you.
Sites that offer discounts etc. can deliberately target who they offer them to and to what percentage they feels best represents their best interest. Loyalty cards are a good example of how in order to get discounts you agree to hand over you data in exchange. It's well known that shops do not have to offer the same price to each customer.
While there isn't much of this profile v's price system ATM your can be sure it will develop. A few bits of specific data on an individual is all it takes to pidgeon hole you into a class.
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Juggernaut
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So, what if I do not use, nor give a damn about a loyalty card? What then? I'd say they've spent money stupidly on something they'll never get. That is, my business.
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ashrc4
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said by Juggernaut:

So, what if I do not use, nor give a damn about a loyalty card? What then? I'd say they've spent money stupidly on something they'll never get. That is, my business.

I was not just talking about Loyalty Cards. If you can imagine using a site that does profile it's users.
Say Amazon decides instead of using it's profiling to make suggestions on what book it wants to sell you next decides that after a report on "how to better fleece customers based on profiles"
comes out that they better start classing their customers and charging based on that report before their compeditors do.

Unless you have knowledge of other peoples price they were charged or weak enough not to care about price difference (potentially minimal) then ad-blocking is not suffice.
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said by ashrc4:

said by DownTheShore:

......Personally, I don't give a damn what is in Google's database on me because it can't be any more comprehensive than that which the Federal government has on me as a former Federal employee.....So they might read my email; my employer had that right all along while I was working and I've never assumed that any email is private. They can use whatever information they have to try to target marketing to me but it doesn't work because my other software strips out the ads and I never see the results of all their nefarious endeavors.

That info you willing give up can still be used against you.
Sites that offer discounts etc. can deliberately target who they offer them to and to what percentage they feels best represents their best interest. Loyalty cards are a good example of how in order to get discounts you agree to hand over you data in exchange. It's well known that shops do not have to offer the same price to each customer.
While there isn't much of this profile v's price system ATM your can be sure it will develop. A few bits of specific data on an individual is all it takes to pidgeon hole you into a class.

But that presumes that I'm even interested in taking advantage in their discounts, which I'm not. To me, shopping is one of the levels of Hell and is something that must very occasionally be done with great dislike; it's not a competitive sport in my book. The supermarket spits out those discount coupons with my sale receipt and I toss them away, usually without even looking at them because I know that a) either it's something I'm not going to buy in the amount they want it bought, or b) I'll just forget that I had the coupon in the first place and won't have it with me if I actually did make that purchase. They can pigeon-hole me all they want; it's my hand that actually withdraws the money from my wallet.
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The problem is, I don't use Amazon, or EBay. I don't usually buy things off the web stores. I realize I am in the minority, though. To be honest, I just don't trust the process anymore.

But, even in a B&M store, my info is guarded carefully, and I don't give it without a very good reason.

But, to reiterate, you can target me all you want, but I still am not going to buy via an ad on a computer, or a cell device.

I guess I'm just old school in that regard, and not a frantic consumer.
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ashrc4
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reply to DownTheShore
said by DownTheShore:

But that presumes that I'm even interested in taking advantage in their discounts, which I'm not.

Websites don't have to be seen to offer discounts....If it comes from a profile based decision then they can start using it...especially if they can out perform their compeditors on other levels...such as price to begin with.
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Re: UTM cookies forced here on Fx and IE! HELP!

said by Juggernaut:

But, to reiterate, you can target me all you want, but I still am not going to buy via an ad on a computer, or a cell device.

I realize this is OT but I share your concerns about using CC data online.
That doesn't stop me from ordering online though.
Whether it's about local availability, price etc... I use pre-paid Visa/MC cards to order online without undue risk or apprehension.


DownTheShore
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reply to ashrc4
said by ashrc4:

said by DownTheShore:

But that presumes that I'm even interested in taking advantage in their discounts, which I'm not.

Websites don't have to be seen to offer discounts....If it comes from a profile based decision then they can start using it...especially if they can out perform their compeditors on other levels...such as price to begin with.

My point, though, is that if I'm not inclined to spend the money (or don't even have it in the first place to spend), then they can target me as precisely as they can but it's still going to be a wasted effort on their part because I'm not going to buy what they are selling.

I am also a very lazy person and I'm not going to physically go out of my way just to get a "bargain". I don't scan supermarket flyers to see what's on sale that week and bunny hop from store to store to take advantage of them. If I've got money in my pocket and I need some groceries I stop at whatever supermarket is on my way home. I'm the type of person who doesn't leave her house on Black Friday or December 26th, and I don't even know when Cyber Monday is supposed to be.
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OZO
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reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:

My Proxomitron does not have current configs because File Explorer can't see the Proxo folder

What do you mean you can't see folder? Do you have admin rights on your computer?

To get rid of those pesky UTM cookies put this line into your hosts file:
127.0.0.1 ajax.googleapis.com
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Juggernaut
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reply to Snowy
I pretty much have all the major items I need right now, and online isn't cheaper for me. I can negotiate better in store usually.

Besides, Xmas is coming, and the bargains will be there for most things. I have nothing on my list though to buy. You can blame me for not stimulating the economy!
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Dude111
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reply to Mele20

 

quote:
I will not allow Google to rape me of my privacy and these are GOOGLE cookies.
Well if so,THOSE ARE THIRD PARTY COOKIES! -- I thought you had 3rd party cookies blocked!