| [WIN8] With Sinofsky Gone, Start Menu Could Return to Windows 8 Lets hope so.
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| Re: [WIN8] With Sinofsky Gone, Start Menu Could Return to Window Possibly too little too late... all I hear from people who picked up new systems with Windows 8 are grumblings about how terrible it is. I don't know if it's the overall experience or simply the start menu but I hear very few people that are neutral or even worse, like it. |
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Did they offer an option for Office programs to return back from ribbon to conventional menu for those, who'd better use it?
I think it's the same strategy here - it's our way or no way...
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I have windows 8 on my lenovo. at first i was really annoyed but with this app (not sure where i got it) it's not half bad. It's alright. Not going back to windows 7 right now since the machine speed is the same.
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| I use classicshell on my touch based Windows 8 system and it's almost like the real thing (and it's free) - »classicshell.sourceforge.net/
After reading the topic's article I find it ironic that I'm using a third party application on a touch based system to undo exactly what this guy sold on Jobs.
said by OZO:Did they offer an option for Office programs to return back from ribbon to conventional menu for those, who'd better use it?
On this topic I was steadfastly against the change or moreso I was against a forced change without an option to re-enable the menu until I'd read a programmer's blog that said all the options are there, they're just more visible there, and challenged people to prove him wrong.
After reading that and 'suffering' for 3 months, I came to agree with Microsoft...
But this is entirely different, you're clicking a button to go to an entirely different screen where you have to move your mouse around to see everything. It's grossly inefficient. At least the ribbon is in the same area as the menu they removed. |
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kudos:2 | The new desktop becomes the ribbon, don't you think?
And BTW, it's the same "forced change without an option to re-enable the menu"...
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 Link LoggerPremium,MVM
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said by urbanriot:Possibly too little too late... all I hear from people who picked up new systems with Windows 8 are grumblings about how terrible it is. I don't know if it's the overall experience or simply the start menu but I hear very few people that are neutral or even worse, like it.
Well I'll be your exception then, as I like my Surface and the more I use it, the more I like it.
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said by urbanriot:all the options are there, they're just more visible there, and challenged people to prove him wrong.
When we deal with information, the main problem is not to have it all in one place. The problem is to filter it and have only info, that you need, when you need it. Otherwise you'll be overwhelmed with amount of information presented to you...
The same principle applies to ribbon vs menu consideration. It's not useful at all to have all options taking all screen space at all times. It's useful to get only those items, that you need and, again, only when you need it.
Here is example form my computer maintenance practice. I remove all unnecessary items from context menu in WE, that many programs try to foist in my computers when they get installed. Now my context menu is very useful to what I need. And "New" menu item contains only file types, that I actually need to create. I even have BAT file, that removes all unnecessary trash, that every Office update pushes on my computers... It's the very same principle - I don't want to get buried with useless information and I try to remove unnecessary and organize the rest.
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said by Link Logger:said by urbanriot:Possibly too little too late... all I hear from people who picked up new systems with Windows 8 are grumblings about how terrible it is. I don't know if it's the overall experience or simply the start menu but I hear very few people that are neutral or even worse, like it.
Well I'll be your exception then, as I like my Surface and the more I use it, the more I like it. I should have clarified that I was referring to full blown Windows 8 on a touch based system rather than a limited tablet IOS, my apologies.
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kudos:1 | I like Win 8 better than 7 in fact. I still have the preview on my laptop. The lappy is too old to bother with upgrading, but I will be upgrading my main desktop to 8.
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My BIL, and me, have one objection, be it percieved or real. The exploration/access/navigation every since Win98, has become more and more annoyingly laberinthine. We remember how it only took one or two clicks to do what it now takes more clicks to do. We don't want to have to go through more hoops just to accomodate people who refuse to overcome technical challenges.
Now, on the other hand, some changes to Linux's KDE are nice because less clicks are needed, or the same as before but are faster and obvious.
Windows OS could learn something from the various X Windows interfaces: There should be more choice of interfaces, interfaces should be more accomdating to a greater variety of skill levels. We should have multiple options just as Linux has various options such as KDE, GNOME, XFCE, and so on. There should be different desktop environments for different people. Pros should have something that suits them. Ma and Pa Kettle should have something for the helpless. The 12 year old wise ass kid should have something. The blind and disabled should have something. There should be several DEs and just as you purchase the OS, but at a lower price, the DE should be sold separately and at a low price.
But sadly, the "brains" at MS refuse to learn from the competition except in the worst ways...
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| said by signmeuptoo:The exploration/access/navigation every since Win98, has become more and more annoyingly laberinthine
What is so hard about WinKey, enter search term (e.g. start of program name), and enter return?
What is so hard about adding a shortcut to the desktop and/or the taskbar?
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signmeuptooThank you YankeesPremium
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said by sivran:I like Win 8 better than 7 in fact. I still have the preview on my laptop. The lappy is too old to bother with upgrading, but I will be upgrading my main desktop to 8. You are certainly one of the few. Would you like better about it compared to windows 7? |
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said by signmeuptoo:It's all just so simple, right? No.
How does that answer the question? You fail to explain what is complicated about either...
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sivranOpera convertPremium
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Well, for one, I like that it takes far less clicks to get various places like control panel, admin tools, and add/remove programs (*cough* excuse me, "Programs and Features"  ) thanks to the ribbonized Explorer and the start flag's context menu. I also like the sidebars, though I wish they had taken the left one just one step further and turned it into a complete virtual desktop feature.
I like that nothing made me want to pull my hair out while using it. 
And oddly enough, I like Metro better than the Win 7/Vista start menu. Though I'd rather have the Classic Start Menu back. As in the 9x/2k/XP one.
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said by darcilicious:What is so hard about adding a shortcut to the desktop and/or the taskbar?
It's disturbing that you have 30+ icons on your desktop and taskbar. I'm guessing signmeuptoo's not as disorganized as you are which is probably why your way is hard for organized people. |
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Mele20Premium
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I can live with the lack of a Start menu (but I will probably add Classic Start). What I cannot live with in Win 8 is the horrific fact that Microsoft has seen fit to deny me the right to make necessary adjustments to Windows display. To remove Advanced Display/Items list and require me to make very complicated registry changes just to make simple adjustments borders on the criminal in my opinion. I now hope Microsoft goes bankrupt. To give the middle finger to ADA (and those horrible accessibility themes are NOT an adequate answer) is to show extremely bad judgement. I don't need a garish, extremely difficult to read "accessibility" theme. I need the Items list restored in Advanced display. I have a thread here asking for help in how to change the registry item that controls a hideous, very difficult on the eyes, blue color that Microsoft has made unadjustable in Win 8 because of removing Items list. I have had no replies that help me fix this. Microsoft has placed PIECES of the Items list strewn about in various areas of Windows 8 but has completely left out many things on the Items list forcing one to make the changes in the Registry and I have no idea how to do it as I don't know what Dword or string controls the color I need or controls Caption buttons, etc.
I like Win 8 in several ways...if I could fix the horrible display problems (even choosing a READABLE font for Windows is now IMPOSSIBLE unless you make complicated Registry changes! That is insane...you get a windows 8 computer and cannot read anything without difficulty and burning, stinging cloudy vision and you cannot change the font to one that is readable ...Verdana... unless you make changes in the Registry. Whoever removed Items list from Advanced Display should be shot and then slowly tortured to death and I want to do the torturing).
I am not sure how to exercise my downgrade rights. I bought Win 8 Pro so I could downgrade if necessary...at least until Microsoft comes to its senses and gives us back Advanced Display/Items list. I have no Win 8 Pro Reinstallation disk from Dell but I have requested one but I will also need a Win 7 Pro installation disk and I don't know exactly how to get that. Plus, downgrading will mean a terrible search. Search in Win 8 is great but horrible in Vista/Win 7.
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said by darcilicious:said by signmeuptoo:The exploration/access/navigation every since Win98, has become more and more annoyingly laberinthine
: : What is so hard about adding a shortcut to the desktop and/or the taskbar? That tells you right there that the Metro thing is useless and unnecessary when you have to add things to the task bar and to the desktop in order to avoid dealing with the Metro nonsense. |
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said by urbanriot:said by darcilicious:What is so hard about adding a shortcut to the desktop and/or the taskbar?
It's disturbing that you have 30+ icons on your desktop and taskbar. I'm guessing signmeuptoo's not as disorganized as you are which is probably why your way is hard for organized people. Say what? I think you must have me confused with someone else...
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