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CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
reply to MrFixit1

Re: PC Ram testing software...

said by MrFixit1:

Couple of final thoughts .
Just to confirm , when it shuts down the power light on the motherboard is not on ? Not the one on the front panel but the green one on the board itself ?

If I remember correctly , a short on an AT style keyboard - mouse connector would cause a shutdown . Don't know if that still holds true on current generation boards , since most of the ones I work on seem to use USB . Any chance you have another keyboard available to try ?

I could try my wife's keyboard (USB- I hate the thing)... The light on the motherboard stays on actually. Till I turn off the PSU and discharge the capacitors by hitting the front power switch.
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain


CylonRed
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Bloom County
reply to norwegian

I am about 95% sure of my answers:

1) I believe I have tried the other slots but not positive - I will have to recheck. I also need to test another set of ram that was in my wife's PC and I thought was going bad but that apparently was from a bad PSU.

2) Usually set to auto only - I should probably check to make sure the timings are the same using CPU-Z and the bios.

3) Never turned it on since I don't have an OS for it.

4) No idea... one of these days I need find something online that explains many of the settings in the BIOS that I don;t have a clue on...

5) may not be the absolute newest but I did upgrade the bios this year.

6) Pretty sure it is set to No.

7) I believe so.

8) Yes - all disabled.

9) Probably not.

10) I believe it is turned on though I am nto sure why...
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain


MrFixit1

join:1999-11-26
Madison, WI
reply to CylonRed

OK if you have to discharge the caps to get the light to go out , the fact that is on does not really help. Was hoping that they were actively monitoring the power from the power supply directly
Still not sure if the power supply is initiating the shutdown ,either from a overload or a false trip , or if it is the motherboard doing it .
Could you confirm the make and model of the power supply ?

Can't believe I am saying this since I strongly dislike the GUI , but you can upgrade the OS to 8 for a lot less than 7, at least until the end of January . If you don't have a copy of 7 already it might be worth considering .



CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County

Price is not much of a matter for me - OEM Win7 Pro upgrade can be had for $130. Expensive but I like Win 7 more than Win8. Does Win 8 have XP mode as well? I have enough older software that runs far better on XP.... Going to be bad enough to learn and Apple Os as my ILs are getting my wife an iPad for Christmas - going around my ban of Apple products in my house...

But - when thru the BIOS and found some interesting things....

The BIOS sees different ram timings for the 2 sticks even though they are the same brand/make and bought at the same time. I bought 4 sticks of the same brand/make for our 2 PCs - maybe the ram between my wife's PC and I got mixed but in theory - they should have the same timings.

The timings - on auto are as follows:
9-9-924-5-33-10-4 and
8-2-5-42-110-0

Suspend mode can't be disables - only Auto, S1 and S3.

PCIE Spread Spectrum is disabled.

I do have the newest BIOS.

C1E was disabled.

Disabled quick boot and Express Gate as well.
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain



CylonRed
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Bloom County

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None of that helped - shut off in less time than the first MP match on MW3...

I also tried to set the ram timings on the faster one to the slower and I can't do it. I don't have the choices for 9-9-9.

I have only bought 3 PSUs inthe past 5 years. The FSP that went bad on my wife's PC, the Corsair I replaced the FSP with and the Thermaltake Toughpower W0128RU 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply.

The one in my PC is the Thermaltake...
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain


n_w95482
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reply to CylonRed

There is no XP Mode for Windows 8.
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KI6RIT



CylonRed
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Did not think so...


MrFixit1

join:1999-11-26
Madison, WI
reply to CylonRed

I noticed you stated that you had updated the bios in an earlier post . Did you do so because of this issue or did this issue start after you updated ?
The manual for the power supply is not totally clear on how it resets from a short or over-current condition . Over-voltage you have to recycle the AC , but they make it sound as though you can reset a short with just the start switch on the computer .

What are the memory timings in your wife's PC?
Pull the stick from yours that is different from her settings and try again .Or swap the positions in yours and see if the timings follow the sticks . If they follow , And the markings on the sticks are the same , you may have found the problem
If they do not follow , you may have a bad BIOS flash , a bad slot , or a bad board

Am assuming the keyboard didn't help any.

Might be worth re-flashing the Bios with a freshly downloaded copy . In this case you want to use one of the boot flash methods , and NOT flash from windows .



norwegian
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Outback

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You maybe on to something there.

Something in those RAM timings just doesn't look right.I know this box I'm typing on, if set to auto gives 667, but set to manual I can get the 800 default of the sticks - those numbers just don't look right.

Do you have the specific specs/branding for the G-Skill sticks?

If the keyboard didn't help, I'd certainly look at what causes the timing to be so weird and a bad flash might be the cause - but swapping out the sticks and motherboard slots and recording the timing across all off them in a table, done to 1 at a time to see if you do get mixed readings, until you can pick which specifically is the culprit, channel on the board or stick of ram, or other.
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CylonRed
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Bloom County

Timings do not change - even if I add both sticks to the second set of ram slots. The second dimm is always the different timing. Even if I use A1 and B1 - if I switch the ram itself between the slots - the different timing does not follow.

I added my wife's 2 sticks (her machine has different ram since I thought hers was going bad). I m now running memtest on her 2 sticks to see if her ram really was bad.

I updated the bios on my wife's machine when I thought it might help her issues. Since we have the exact same motherboard I wanted to keep then in sync and i wanted the added CPU support as well.

I never, ever flash from Windows - well - once by accident on the previous machine. It went well but I was pissed...

NewEgg has all of my order history.. On the ram (on the sticker on the ram) the timings are 9-9-9-24:
»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20231193
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Brian

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berserken

join:2011-03-27
Oakland, CA
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»www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a···20231193

In the reviews at Newegg, Skate Zilla says,

Cons: Not a Con, But Take note, Phenom CPUs need you to set teh x-x-x-xx timings.

I see Norwegian brought this up but I'm not seeing this possibility having been exhausted, yet.


CylonRed
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Bloom County

Not sure what those timings are - the list of timings in the bios as for mare than just 9-9-9-24 and as noted before - I can't add in the third 9 as it is not an option... Unless I am not looking in the right place in the bios.

So far the sticks of ram the wife had in her PC is not showing any errors....
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain



norwegian
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Outback
reply to CylonRed

Click for full size
First note:
That ram is not on the QVL of RAM at ASUS. See image. Yet at the G-Skill site for the RAM is says it is???
»www.gskill.com/products.php?index=88

Try selecting [2T] then selecting the timing. See how you go then try [1T] if it doesn't work.
Use this as a guide to check you are setting the right figures.
»www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/···ngs/26/2

They are set to 12 max, and 30 maximum, so 9-9-9-24 should be easily set up.

I know you tried, but to me you may have just mis-understood the settings.
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CylonRed
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Bloom County

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What messes me up is the 8 settings in the bios and the 4 settings in the ram - what settings get entered and where and what should the other 4 settings be?

There always seem to be differences between the sites. I have not worried about it unless I plan to overclock....

EDIT:
I did misread the ram timings - what I took as slot one and 2 were actually different timings.... Dram 1 Information had the TCL, TRCD, and TRP settings - 9-9-9-24 can be set in these (there were 4 other settings. The main info as read by the SPD was 9-9-9-24 and that would be correct. Dram 2 information has TRWTTO, TWRRD and 6 more settings (this was the section I could not set 9-9-9-24 thinking it was for the second slot).

Using CPU-Z I verified the timings for 666 mem frequency ....
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain



CylonRed
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Bloom County
reply to CylonRed

I think I am going to go out and get a PSU - probably from MicroCenter sometime this weekend. Might also grab a copy of Win 7 as well - they have Win 7 Pro for $130 (OEM upgrade).

Have to see what they have in Sharonville, Ohio in stock...
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain


n_w95482
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Ukiah, CA
reply to CylonRed

Ah, that makes sense now. I was going to say, sometimes one or more of the secondary timings can be different between slots, to account for differences in trace lengths.
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KI6RIT



CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County
reply to CylonRed

While I will not say it is a verdict yet - got a new PSU (Corsair professional 850 watt) and so far - so good. Even turned up some of the settings in both MW3 and Black Ops and no shutdown.

I do desperately need a new case though -the Antec 900 is not cutting it.
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Brian

"It drops into your stomach like a Abrams's tank.... driven by Rosanne Barr..." A. Bourdain



norwegian
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Outback

You will give Gordo74 See Profile a glow if it is, especially if there were bets and odds.

said by Gordo74:

I would put money on it being the power supply.

»Re: PC Ram testing software...
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke