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Re: Win8 - Disappointing usability I'm using Windows 8 right now, i think the metro thing is unnecessary and they need to make it only for a touch screen. It's insane to try to use this on a non touch screen PC or laptop. Why in the world would they think this is the way to go for everyone? I think Windows 8 is the best tool the marketing department at Apple EVER CAME UP WITH! Are the people at Microsoft begging people to buy a Mac?
Windows 8.. It's like play book for what NOT to do on a standard PC or Laptop. Apple knows IOS is for touch devices, Microsoft seems to think Metro is for everything.. ITS NOT! It would be like forcing every one to use a media center PC interface and let one find a way to a basic desktop. Fucking stupid. I'm sure soon enough an update will come out letting people chose what interface they can use. I hope.
I'll be sticking to Windows 7 (I think its the best Microsoft OS since Windows 2K) and Mac OS 10.7.. |
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 gzt7d8Aliens live amongst usPremium join:2001-07-13 Swartz Creek, MI Reviews:
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| reply to howardfine Interesting article and very to the point on all fronts. I used the Release Candidate on a dual boot earlier this year and if it wasn't for sites like this one or Windows 8 Forums that posts tutorials, I probably would have nuked the drive. It was sites like this that helped me understand where things were hidden and helped me navigate to what I needed and thus lowered my frustration level.
I've been around Windows since Win 2, so I've seen lots of change and I think I've installed just about everyone with the exception of Windows 2000. I watched a video by Jensen Harris from Microsoft which talked about what led to many things we see in Win 8. '»winsupersite.com/windows-8/jense···indows-8' I understand that you have to move forward and not still back on your heals waiting for someone to show you the direction. Windows 8, in my opinion, was a gamble. MS was trying to anticipate what 2012 and beyond would bring to the market.
I've installed it, and I'm getting use to it. I won't go back, don't have any compatibility issues that will force me.
I endured Windows Millennium and Vista, I guess I can stick it out with Windows 8.
Greg -- "It's not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change." Charles Darwin
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Re: Win8 - Disappointing usability I've been using Windows since 3.1 and I must say my Win8 testing at first was similar to the drunk lady. I didn't like ME or Vista, like most people. XP is by far my all time favorite, but Win7 is visually stunning and just recently became the default boot on my main desktop (I dual boot XP Pro-Win7 Pro).
I hate Win8 with a passion, sometimes new is fun, I usually like learning new things. I've tested Win8 thoroughly for weeks and my opinion of it hasn't changed in the slightest. Win8 is so unappealing that I don't care, every time I try to use it I just want it gone.
I want my Start button back, sure I can use classic shell, but I shouldn't have to. I want Aero back, one of the few things, IMO, that makes Win7 an improvement over XP.
How hard could it have been for for MS to make a setting that changes the entire PC from Metro to back Win7 style? |
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 | reply to howardfine "The situation is much worse on regular PCs, particularly for knowledge workers doing productivity tasks in the office. This used to be Microsoft's core audience, and it has now thrown the old customer base under the bus by designing an operating system that removes a powerful PC's benefits in order to work better on smaller devices. "
I could not have said it better myself. I've followed Jacob Nielsen's advice for many years when designing technical publications and websites. And his research is based on real, unbiased user testing, whose methodology he promotes endlessly.
Either MS failed to do their own user testing or (more likely) they decided that the mobile market was more important than their desktop market. |
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 BlitzenZeusBurnt Out CynicPremium join:2000-01-13 kudos:2 Reviews:
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| Since you must buy office for the x86 tablets, and the arm tablets get a special version of office it seems clear they tried to make office useable on metro which cannot run normal office versions, however successful it is at doing the same tasks is the question.
It does completely seem they wanted to try their hands at the tablet market, but unifying the interface with the desktops wasn't the best idea.
I'm unfortunately going to have to get a new system soon, and will have to get win 8 so I can more easliy walk people through instructions. Not a bad os, but a horrible gui for a non-touchscreen devices. Even if a device has one it's not the best interface to use.
I'm no stranger to touchscreen devices, it took me forever to write this on a touchscreen phone as I'm away from home currently. -- I distrust those people who know so well what god wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires- Susan B. Anthony Yesterday we obeyed kings, and bent out necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to the truth- Kahlil G. |
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 Woody79_00I run Linux am I still a PC?Premium join:2004-07-08 united state | reply to howardfine At first i was skeptical about Windows 8...i wasn't a full blown hater, i was merely skeptical...i was asking myself:
"Does Windows 8 offer enough to warrant upgrading from Windows 7 Pro x64?
Well i downloaded the enterprise trial, installed it (after making a image backup) and gave it a two week test run.
After two weeks...i couldn't imagine myself EVER going back to Windows 7...I thought Windows 7 was perfect, but Windows 8 in terms of performance takes everything Windows 7 had going for it, and made it better!
The Metro UI /Start Screen has its uses...for example your in a hurry and just want to check a sports score...Metro IE works for this, You want to keep track of the latest deals on NewEgg, install the NewEgg app..everytime there is a deal you may be interested in, it displays in the live tile right on your start screen.
Not to mention all my games, Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout, etc all get higher Frame Rates and run better on Windows 8 then they did on 7 (with same hardware)
Windows 8 is Windows for the 21st century. It is truly a revolutionary upgrade in the evolution of not only PC, but tablets, portables, and the like.
Windows 8 is a fine OS and it also supports many new enhanced security technologies not available in Windows 7 such as Enhanced Protected Mode IE,(which makes it more secure then either Firefox or Chrome) SEHOP, ASLR has been improved, and a plethora of other security enhancements.
For those you thinking Microsoft is going to back off the MetroUI and design decisions for Windows 9 your sadly mistaken. Microsoft has put a lot of time, money, and resources into Metro...porting it over to Xbox 360/Xbox Live and to the Tablet and Windows Phone market...Microsoft is in it for the long haul with the "unified interface over all platforms" I say its about time.
Windows 8 is a fine OS, and its not even close to Vista...Vista itself wasn't bad it just lacked driver support...thats what killed it...Windows 7 IS Vista with driver support....Windows 8 is a whole new direction for Windows. Sure, its still Win NT..but the UI, its going to change how we use computers...and for the good! |
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 | said by Woody79_00:For those you thinking Microsoft is going to back off the MetroUI and design decisions for Windows 9 your sadly mistaken. Microsoft has put a lot of time, money, and resources into Metro...porting it over to Xbox 360/Xbox Live and to the Tablet and Windows Phone market...Microsoft is in it for the long haul with the "unified interface over all platforms" I agree with you on this point.. I think what you see is what you get, and what you're going to get in the future.. On everything else, I pretty much disagree though. So, for all those of us who don't care for 8 and Metro and the new direction, there will need to be an alternative of some kind, and right now, there aren't many. 7 will do for most of us while our hardware lasts, but what happens when it comes time to buy a new machine? That is the question. |
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| reply to Woody79_00 said by Woody79_00:At first i was skeptical about Windows 8...i wasn't a full blown hater, i was merely skeptical...i was asking myself:
"Does Windows 8 offer enough to warrant upgrading from Windows 7 Pro x64?
Well i downloaded the enterprise trial, installed it (after making a image backup) and gave it a two week test run.
After two weeks...i couldn't imagine myself EVER going back to Windows 7...I thought Windows 7 was perfect, but Windows 8 in terms of performance takes everything Windows 7 had going for it, and made it better!
The Metro UI /Start Screen has its uses...for example your in a hurry and just want to check a sports score...Metro IE works for this, You want to keep track of the latest deals on NewEgg, install the NewEgg app..everytime there is a deal you may be interested in, it displays in the live tile right on your start screen.
Not to mention all my games, Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout, etc all get higher Frame Rates and run better on Windows 8 then they did on 7 (with same hardware)
Windows 8 is Windows for the 21st century. It is truly a revolutionary upgrade in the evolution of not only PC, but tablets, portables, and the like.
Windows 8 is a fine OS and it also supports many new enhanced security technologies not available in Windows 7 such as Enhanced Protected Mode IE,(which makes it more secure then either Firefox or Chrome) SEHOP, ASLR has been improved, and a plethora of other security enhancements.
For those you thinking Microsoft is going to back off the MetroUI and design decisions for Windows 9 your sadly mistaken. Microsoft has put a lot of time, money, and resources into Metro...porting it over to Xbox 360/Xbox Live and to the Tablet and Windows Phone market...Microsoft is in it for the long haul with the "unified interface over all platforms" I say its about time.
Windows 8 is a fine OS, and its not even close to Vista...Vista itself wasn't bad it just lacked driver support...thats what killed it...Windows 7 IS Vista with driver support....Windows 8 is a whole new direction for Windows. Sure, its still Win NT..but the UI, its going to change how we use computers...and for the good! That's quite the press release. |
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"Does Windows 8 offer enough to warrant upgrading from Windows 7 Pro x64?
Well i downloaded the enterprise trial, installed it (after making a image backup) and gave it a two week test run.
After two weeks...i couldn't imagine myself EVER going back to Windows 7...I thought Windows 7 was perfect, but Windows 8 in terms of performance takes everything Windows 7 had going for it, and made it better!
The Metro UI /Start Screen has its uses...for example your in a hurry and just want to check a sports score...Metro IE works for this, You want to keep track of the latest deals on NewEgg, install the NewEgg app..everytime there is a deal you may be interested in, it displays in the live tile right on your start screen.
Not to mention all my games, Skyrim, Oblivion, Fallout, etc all get higher Frame Rates and run better on Windows 8 then they did on 7 (with same hardware)
Windows 8 is Windows for the 21st century. It is truly a revolutionary upgrade in the evolution of not only PC, but tablets, portables, and the like.
Windows 8 is a fine OS and it also supports many new enhanced security technologies not available in Windows 7 such as Enhanced Protected Mode IE,(which makes it more secure then either Firefox or Chrome) SEHOP, ASLR has been improved, and a plethora of other security enhancements.
For those you thinking Microsoft is going to back off the MetroUI and design decisions for Windows 9 your sadly mistaken. Microsoft has put a lot of time, money, and resources into Metro...porting it over to Xbox 360/Xbox Live and to the Tablet and Windows Phone market...Microsoft is in it for the long haul with the "unified interface over all platforms" I say its about time.
Windows 8 is a fine OS, and its not even close to Vista...Vista itself wasn't bad it just lacked driver support...thats what killed it...Windows 7 IS Vista with driver support....Windows 8 is a whole new direction for Windows. Sure, its still Win NT..but the UI, its going to change how we use computers...and for the good! Doesn't address the topic of usabiliy, though... |
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·voip.ms
| reply to Oedipus Ever read the scam & phishbusters forum here, specifically the A.Morrison pages? Some posters here read like the 'defenders' that post over there. IOW, not honest. -- ~ Project Hope ~ |
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| reply to Kerodo said by Kerodo:but what happens when it comes time to buy a new machine? That is the question. I just picked up a new machine today. It does not run Win 8 |
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 | said by M A R S:said by Kerodo:but what happens when it comes time to buy a new machine? That is the question. I just picked up a new machine today. It does not run Win 8 Yes, it can be done right now, but what about a year from now? Unfortunately, the only choices will be Linux, which isn't the solution really, or Apple, which costs a lot more, or whatever MS is selling at the time... guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out. |
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 EUSKill cancerPremium join:2002-09-10 canada Reviews:
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| Remember ME? Piece of trash OS that people had to take, as there was no choice at the brick and mortar. It'll play out the same way it has for over a decade and a half now. Buy your machine with the installed OS that the manufacture dictates to you, MS counts it as a sale, (proving their new OS is a 'hit'), you go home, reformat, and install whatever you want to. Or buy the parts, build your own, and install whatever. -- ~ Project Hope ~ |
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| reply to RazzyW8 So 40 million times $40 is $1.6 billion versus to 40 million times $120 upgrade of Windows 7 which is $4.8 billion. So Microsoft has lost $3.2 billioin this upgrade compared to last so far. |
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 | reply to EUS said by EUS:Remember ME? Piece of trash OS that people had to take, as there was no choice at the brick and mortar. It'll play out the same way it has for over a decade and a half now. Buy your machine with the installed OS that the manufacture dictates to you, MS counts it as a sale, (proving their new OS is a 'hit'), you go home, reformat, and install whatever you want to. Or buy the parts, build your own, and install whatever. Yep, I actually bought an ME machine and within a few weeks, I installed Windows 2000 on it and was happy for years...
If I had to buy something a year from now, I'd probably do that again, and put 7 back on it, and hope that there were drivers for 7 for any new hardware that I encountered. I'd probably be fine... |
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