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Re: Conspiracy?

Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:02:01 EDT

TheTechGuru posted :

Just curious...what if a building landlord refuses to allow Verizon to install FiOS in their building? Do the tenants have any recourse?

What Verizon needs to do is what AT&T does in my area. AT&T runs fiber out of their switch to area "hubs/nodes" which then run POTS copper for the "last mile". They run POTS, ADSL, and VDSL on these.

This would save Verizon a lot of time as they would not have to replace all the good copper just before and inside buildings.
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Re: Conspiracy?

Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:17:52 EDT

PaulHikeS2 posted :

said by mikedz4:

How could verizon make a hurricane? Last I checked we had NO control over the weather. Unless you ask the environmentalists that is.

You didn't know that telcos can control the weather?
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Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:32:55 EDT

mikedz4 posted : I didn't mean to reply to you. Sorry I meant to reply to the OP

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:22:07 EDT

battleop posted : Comprehension FAIL! Nowhere did I say it was a conspiracy.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 21:48:34 EDT

mikedz4 posted : How could verizon make a hurricane? Last I checked we had NO control over the weather. Unless you ask the environmentalists that is.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 17:41:13 EDT

elefante72 posted : I'm assuming that the CLECs get fibre line cards if fibre routes to the DSLAM. Or if it's a ring, maybe nothing. Good points though...

I was also reading that on the VZ owned side they are just pulling fiber to the prem and converting to FIOS.

That can be a problem if the existing customer is contract DSL, but OMG I'm sure if I were getting FIOS, I'd be happy. Of course this comes at a premium price, but that part of town definately is not the low rent district so I'm sure uptake rate will be acceptable.

Nobody has mentioned how cable (TWC) is operating in this situation.
Any news? I don't know how much HFC they have in lower Manhattan.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:35:51 EDT

TBusiness posted : Actually its MegaPath right now and to answer the question on what they are doing. Karl should contact them. My company represents MegaPath and I will contact the PR department and find out. Currently we're being told they're repairing and bringing on lines as power comes back on in commercial buildings. Nothing has been said about copper being cut.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:18:13 EDT

battleop posted : "Verizon doesn't own CLEC DSLAMs" no but they own the last mile copper that runs from the CO to the Customer. It's this copper that's being cut that's in question.
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Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:17:00 EDT

battleop posted : No. Landlords can pretty much say who can and can't enter their buildings. I

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 14:14:51 EDT

battleop posted : Let me fix that for you...

So Sandy was a ~~conspiracy~~ golden opportunity by Verizon to run the CLECs out of business.

I don't think it's a conspiracy or some pre-planned plot you can bet that Verizon is not going to pass up this golden opportunity to take a whack at CLECs.
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Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:55:34 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted : Not really, no. It is common for owners of large buildings to be approached by Time Warner who gets an exclusivity contract in exchange for $$$. Unfortunately, you are at the mercy of the building owner.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:43:19 EDT

bhan261 posted : Just curious...what if a building landlord refuses to allow Verizon to install FiOS in their building? Do the tenants have any recourse?

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:43:00 EDT

djrobx posted :

said by elefante72:

Equipment maybe. These are access trunks. It doesn't change out the POP and VZ still has contracts with CLECs. The DSL DSLAMs are still owned by Verizon, and they will need to replace if they are damaged.

Verizon doesn't own CLEC DSLAMs. Earthlink is a good example - Earthlink resells both CLEC DSL via Covad, and ILEC DSL using Verizon's DSLAMs. Verizon can figure out some sort of fiber fed solution for customers on their own DSLAMs, but what will happen to Covad's lines?
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Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 13:02:10 EDT

anon posted : In other words, you don't know.

Suggesting someone's claiming conspiracy by simply asking what happens now to CLECs doesn't seem like a joke, it seems like you were just being a jerk. Nobody thinks Verizon conjured a hurricane. But they do have an undisputed track record of crushing CLECs, so I'm curious what happens to companies riding that copper now? Are they SOL?

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:55:09 EDT

anon posted : Thanks for the info. So, yes, there are real questions to be asked here about what happens next for CLECs. Readers yelling that asking a question about this is "conspiracy" apparently need hobbies.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:52:28 EDT

cdru posted :

said by Alex J :

It doesn't claim conspiracy. It simply asks what happens to the CLECs who shared that infrastructure, which is a legitimate question. Do you have the answer?

It was a joke, hence the fine print comment about my tin foil hat. That is, unless you really think Verizon has that much clout that it can conjurer up a hurricane.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 12:27:06 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

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Equipment maybe. These are access trunks. It doesn't change out the POP and VZ still has contracts with CLECs. The DSL DSLAMs are still owned by Verizon, and they will need to replace if they are damaged.

The DSLAMS are not being repaired in NY. The Verizon customers are being migrated to FIOS instead.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:16:18 EDT

elefante72 posted : Equipment maybe. These are access trunks. It doesn't change out the POP and VZ still has contracts with CLECs. The DSL DSLAMs are still owned by Verizon, and they will need to replace if they are damaged.

I don't know what VZ runs in NYC (probably ATM), so they just upgrade the line cards to optical.

What happened to Earthlink when Time Warner moved to HFC? Nothing, except better speeds and quality.

Re: Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 10:05:40 EDT

anon posted : It doesn't claim conspiracy. It simply asks what happens to the CLECs who shared that infrastructure, which is a legitimate question. Do you have the answer?

Conspiracy?

Mon, 19 Nov 2012 09:53:02 EDT

cdru posted :

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The photo to the right shows the copper feeders just chopped off and capped, raising questions on how this impacts any CLECs that may have been using that infrastructure for access.

So Sandy was a conspiracy by Verizon to run the CLECs out of business.

Anyone seen my tinfoil hat?