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N3OGH
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Re: Obligatory rant from Tennessee

I can honestly say I've never violated copyright. I have no file trading software on my computer, and the only place I download music from is iTunes. With the exception of surfing the web, paying bills, the only thing I use my Internet for is streaming XM, and streaming Netflix to my Internet enabled TV.

Now, if something I have downloaded from iTunes or watched on Netflix was not properly cleared through copyright, I'm not the one who violated copyright, the provider did. I paid for what I thought was a properly obtained content. No Mens Rea exists, and being a reasonable person I had every reason to believe the multinational corporation I am paying for content properly vetted its offering.
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Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX

said by N3OGH:

I can honestly say I've never violated copyright.

I believe you in thinking you've never done it. But if you've ever been on YouTube there's a HUGE chance you have. or watched something a friend posted on Facebook, etc. If you have ever listened to a friends mixed tape (or if you're not old enough for that, a mixed CD) or recorded anything from the radio at some point if in your life. You have, in effect, violated copyright.

So while unlike most people you might not be aware of it, it doesn't mean you haven't done it repeatedly.


ITALIAN926

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Copyright holders can easily have material removed from youtube



birdfeedr
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reply to Kamus

said by Kamus:

said by N3OGH:

I can honestly say I've never violated copyright.

I believe you in thinking you've never done it. But if you've ever been on YouTube there's a HUGE chance you have. or watched something a friend posted on Facebook, etc. If you have ever listened to a friends mixed tape (or if you're not old enough for that, a mixed CD) or recorded anything from the radio at some point if in your life. You have, in effect, violated copyright.

Q: Why is the **AA staying away from Google?
A: ISP subscribers are easier pickings, especially since they've got the ISPs on board.

Good luck getting Google to cripple their service.


N3OGH
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It was my understanding under fair use that it was legal to tape a song from FM radio. Can't remember if I did it when I was a kid, that was a long time ago.

Never passed around mix tapes, just wasn't my thing.

I think both examples are a bit out of context. We are talking about violating copyright via the Internet. Two COMPLETELY different animals.

Taping a song off the radio produces a clearly inferior product the degrades in quality exponentially with every subsequent generation. Mix tapes degrade as well and you pretty much only trade them with a few people.

With the Internet, I can trade with anyone in the word instantaneously, with no loss of quality whatsoever.

Big difference...
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Petty people are disproportionally corrupted by petty power


Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

Copyright holders can easily have material removed from youtube

Yes.

Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to N3OGH

said by N3OGH:

With the Internet, I can trade with anyone in the word instantaneously, with no loss of quality whatsoever.

Big difference...

I know! It's so much better isn't it? ^_-

--EDIT-- You reminded me of this:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvvKsOFEEqQ


OhReally

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It's easy to play holier-than-thou, isn't it?

Two completely different animals?

So, are you saying that copyright infringement on the internet is a big no-no, but infringement in the real world is okay? You do realize that the average person unknowingly violates copyright infringement dozens of times per day. Some of it is excused by fair use (fair use only means that the infringement is not actionable, but it is still considered infringement), but most of it is not.

Ever sing a song, whistle or hum while walking down the street? Infringement!

Ever sing Happy Birthday at a party? Infringement!

Use a copier? Share a recipe? Snap a photo of someone next to a statue? Infringement! Infringement! Infringement!

It is incredibly hard to avoid infringing activities, but apparently it is incredibly easy to excuse your own as harmless while condemning everyone else as immoral.



N3OGH
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Oh please, spare me the self righteous bullshit. People singing happy birthday and and taking pictures in front of statues have no clue. Even if they did, it's a totally different animal and you clearly know it.

If I travel & take a picture in front of a statue with a friend, just how do I compensate the copyright holder? Where do I pay for participating in a happy birthday singalong?

If I install file sharing software on my computer in order to download popular music or a movie that's only in theaters then I clearly know what I'm doing.

Making every effort to consume content from what I believe to be authorized providers whom I am paying proper compensation isn't self righteous. It's being a law abiding citizen.

Go on being a thief (or an advocate for the same). If it makes you feel good to call me self righteous, so be it. It doesn't make what you are doing, or what you advocate right.....
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ITALIAN926

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LOL I almost wet my pants with the Happy Birthday example. Yea buddy, thats the same as illegally downloading a movie while its still in theaters.

These thieves are so entertaining, I probably wouldnt come to this website if they didnt flock here.



OhReally

@141.191.36.x
reply to N3OGH

Please point out to me where I admitted to any thievery or infringement or advocated the same. You can't, because I didn't.

I, however, can easily point out your own statement:

I can honestly say I've never violated copyright.
- N3OGH


There's nothing honest about that. It is a bold claim that cannot possibly be true. I was merely pointing out that it is impossible to be entirely guilt-free when it comes to modern copyright law. And claiming to be guilt-free while preaching to everyone else is incredibly hypocritical.

As so many have pointed out, infringement is infringement -- no matter how big or small. Whether committed against the rich or poor, corporations or individuals, online or offline, intentionally or unintentionally. The law still considers it all infringement and therefore wrong. And fair use only counts once you have proven it in a court of law.

It's pretty clear that the one being self-righteous is you.

Have a nice day!



ITALIAN926

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quote:
I can honestly say I've never violated copyright.
- N3OGH
.... and being so damn intelligent, you should be able to conclude that he's referring to uploading/downloading music/movies/software on the internet. He even explains himself fully following that quote anyway.

But thanx for explaining how everyone breaks copyright every single day, in an attempt to justify people who maliciously infringe on copyrighted material via the 'net.

There is no justification, its against the law. The end.


captnhook

join:2001-02-20
NY
reply to N3OGH

Warner/Chappell Music currently collects royalties for the Commercial use of "Happy Birthday", private performances of the song do not require compensation.