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Jack_in_VA
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Re: PECO official: Meter replacement will be complete in 37 days

said by Bob4:

Some people say the electric utilities in NJ would have been able to restore service faster if we had smart meters.

Care to elaborate on that? I saw a woman on tv whose house had been submerged with salt water including her panel. All would need replacement before the POCO could restore her power yet she was raising hell because the POCO would not restore her service and demanded the government take action.

No meter regular or smart can provide something that is not there.

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More information on where the outages were. If you're on a rural road with 6 other houses on a tripped transformer, the utility would instantly know there was a problem.

In this case, outages were widespread, but even 4 days in, the utilities were saying they were still "assessing the situation". Having the complete snapshot of power status has got to help, especially when areas that are restored suffer a subsequent outage (that happened to quite a few people).

It would also allow street and address level reporting of status on web pages, so people would be able to find businesses that had power and were open. I spent a fair amount of time each day foraging for supplies because there was no way to find out who had power and who didn't.


Jack_in_VA
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said by Bob4:

More information on where the outages were. If you're on a rural road with 6 other houses on a tripped transformer, the utility would instantly know there was a problem.

In this case, outages were widespread, but even 4 days in, the utilities were saying they were still "assessing the situation". Having the complete snapshot of power status has got to help, especially when areas that are restored suffer a subsequent outage (that happened to quite a few people).

It would also allow street and address level reporting of status on web pages, so people would be able to find businesses that had power and were open. I spent a fair amount of time each day foraging for supplies because there was no way to find out who had power and who didn't.

Don't think for a minute the 6 customers on the rural road had not already called it in to the POCO. We survived just fine and still do without these meters. Most of the "justifications" are just people trying to justify them.

Smart meters would not have helped you forage for supplies but a phone would have aided you a lot.


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said by Jack_in_VA:

Don't think for a minute the 6 customers on the rural road had not already called it in to the POCO. We survived just fine and still do without these meters.

I wonder, at this day and age, when we discussed on people's declining technical abilities due to technologie (on another thread), if the number of people calling in a power outage dropped significantly due to the fact that we believe the POCO knows without us calling in.

Imagine if those 6 people didn't call it in because they think someone else did, or the POCO knows by "technology".

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said by Jack_in_VA:

Smart meters would not have helped you forage for supplies but a phone would have aided you a lot.

Many places, particularly gas stations, were not answering phones even if they were open.


Jack_in_VA
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Imagine if those 6 people didn't call it in because they think someone else did, or the POCO knows by "technology".

No I can't imagine as that's the first thing I do if the power goes out. If you "think" someone else did then that's their problem. Maybe the more helpless ones wait for someone to do it for them and that's the reason to install a smart meter?

Self reliance must be something that's out of favor now.


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said by Bob4:

said by Jack_in_VA:

Smart meters would not have helped you forage for supplies but a phone would have aided you a lot.

Many places, particularly gas stations, were not answering phones even if they were open.

How would a smart meter have helped you find an open gas station?

telco_mtl

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said by Jack_in_VA:

said by Bob4:

said by Jack_in_VA:

Smart meters would not have helped you forage for supplies but a phone would have aided you a lot.

Many places, particularly gas stations, were not answering phones even if they were open.

How would a smart meter have helped you find an open gas station?

smart meters like smart phones cant cure dumb people


Jack_in_VA
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said by telco_mtl:

smart meters like smart phones cant cure dumb people

+1 That's more evident with each passing day

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When your power is off for a week and a half, you give up calling.

Scenario: Power company restores power after a week-long outage. Tripped circuit breaker on a pole transformer prevents everyone from getting power back. Power company thinks everyone has been restored, but they haven't. People don't call because they don't realize the service should have been restored (how would they even know?).

With smart meters, the power company would have realized these people had not been restored and would have fixed the problem.

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said by Jack_in_VA:

[ow would a smart meter have helped you find an open gas station?

It would have told me if there was power along Route 22 in Green Brook or on Routes 202 & 31 in Flemington.


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said by Jack_in_VA:

said by Bob4:

Some people say the electric utilities in NJ would have been able to restore service faster if we had smart meters.

Care to elaborate on that? I saw a woman on tv whose house had been submerged with salt water including her panel. All would need replacement before the POCO could restore her power yet she was raising hell because the POCO would not restore her service and demanded the government take action.

No meter regular or smart can provide something that is not there.

Smart meters helped us a lot. Our utility is 100% smart meter and they were able to quickly determine which part of the system was functioning and which was not.

Everyone was restored in a week and we got several updates per day via e-mail.

Very happy with the co-op and the smart meter system. We were restored well before JCP&L who also operates within our area.


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said by Bob4:

More information on where the outages were. If you're on a rural road with 6 other houses on a tripped transformer, the utility would instantly know there was a problem.

In this case, outages were widespread, but even 4 days in, the utilities were saying they were still "assessing the situation". Having the complete snapshot of power status has got to help, especially when areas that are restored suffer a subsequent outage (that happened to quite a few people).

While I agree with you - in that more information would be useful - I absolutely don't think JCP&L could make any use of it whatsoever. It would require being able to get that information where it belongs; did you know that most JCP&L linemen still have to use paper maps when in the field for repairs?

JCP&L: Third-world electric at first-world prices.


Jack_in_VA
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said by Bob4:

said by Jack_in_VA:

[ow would a smart meter have helped you find an open gas station?

It would have told me if there was power along Route 22 in Green Brook or on Routes 202 & 31 in Flemington.

You are able to read the smart meter data for specific areas? If so the security issue is worse than I thought.


Jack_in_VA
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said by Bob4:

When your power is off for a week and a half, you give up calling.

Scenario: Power company restores power after a week-long outage. Tripped circuit breaker on a pole transformer prevents everyone from getting power back. Power company thinks everyone has been restored, but they haven't. People don't call because they don't realize the service should have been restored (how would they even know?).

With smart meters, the power company would have realized these people had not been restored and would have fixed the problem.

I don't know about your POCO but Dominion Virginia Power always follows up by phone after a customer reports an outage. They would know the people you cite still had no power.

My god how have we made it this long?
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Re: PECO official: Meter replacement will be complete in 37 days

said by fifty nine:

Very happy with the co-op and the smart meter system. We were restored well before JCP&L who also operates within our area.

Co-worker lives in Sussex but has JCP&L. Their power was out for 3 weeks. After their neighbors had power, they had to wait days for JCP&L to reset the transformer serving 6 people.


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said by Jack_in_VA:

said by Bob4:

When your power is off for a week and a half, you give up calling.

Scenario: Power company restores power after a week-long outage. Tripped circuit breaker on a pole transformer prevents everyone from getting power back. Power company thinks everyone has been restored, but they haven't. People don't call because they don't realize the service should have been restored (how would they even know?).

With smart meters, the power company would have realized these people had not been restored and would have fixed the problem.

I don't know about your POCO but Dominion Virginia Power always follows up by phone after a customer reports an outage. They would know the people you cite still had no power.

My god how have we made it this long?

back in '91 we had an ice storm that wiped out power to a large part of the city I lived in. Calling the power company gave a recording of "if this is not an emergency, please hang up, our operations department is aware of all areas without power, you do not need to report your outage."
That went on for five days before I stayed on the line. They told me my power was restored 4 days ago. They had no clue was 8 houses left in the dark for four days until I waited to report them after being told they already knew where power needed to be restored.

Would smart meters have helped? YES. Once I've reported an outage, I assume they know I'm out and will fix it. Where I live now they will verify it's fixed, but we have a local municipal utility and they actually give a shit.


Jack_in_VA
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said by UHF:

said by Jack_in_VA:

said by Bob4:

When your power is off for a week and a half, you give up calling.

Scenario: Power company restores power after a week-long outage. Tripped circuit breaker on a pole transformer prevents everyone from getting power back. Power company thinks everyone has been restored, but they haven't. People don't call because they don't realize the service should have been restored (how would they even know?).

With smart meters, the power company would have realized these people had not been restored and would have fixed the problem.

I don't know about your POCO but Dominion Virginia Power always follows up by phone after a customer reports an outage. They would know the people you cite still had no power.

My god how have we made it this long?

back in '91 we had an ice storm that wiped out power to a large part of the city I lived in. Calling the power company gave a recording of "if this is not an emergency, please hang up, our operations department is aware of all areas without power, you do not need to report your outage."
That went on for five days before I stayed on the line. They told me my power was restored 4 days ago. They had no clue was 8 houses left in the dark for four days until I waited to report them after being told they already knew where power needed to be restored.

Would smart meters have helped? YES. Once I've reported an outage, I assume they know I'm out and will fix it. Where I live now they will verify it's fixed, but we have a local municipal utility and they actually give a shit.

ON Dec 23, 1998 we were hit with an ice storm that knocked out power for most of eastern Virginia. Power was out for 8 days here in rural Va. We were able to report our outage with callback phone number.

On Dec 18, 2003 Hurricane Isabel caused a 18 day outage for us. At no time were we unable to report our outage with call back phone number.

Our POCO just needs our phone number when we call. It automatically matches it with our name, account number and physical address. All the information needed.

No smart meter just good old American competence. Once I reported my outage they knew I was out here where I live and had me on their list to fix and when it was fixed they called to verify it was in fact fixed. We have a publicly held state regulated POCO and they also give a shit.

Again I ask the question "My God how in the world have we survived this long"


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said by Jack_in_VA:

said by Bob4:

When your power is off for a week and a half, you give up calling.

Scenario: Power company restores power after a week-long outage. Tripped circuit breaker on a pole transformer prevents everyone from getting power back. Power company thinks everyone has been restored, but they haven't. People don't call because they don't realize the service should have been restored (how would they even know?).

With smart meters, the power company would have realized these people had not been restored and would have fixed the problem.

I don't know about your POCO but Dominion Virginia Power always follows up by phone after a customer reports an outage. They would know the people you cite still had no power.

My god how have we made it this long?

JCP&L also follows up by phone but you're dreaming if you think they can call up hundreds of thousands of customers. What they usually do is send out automated messages, often to people still without power, telling them that their power is back.

Meanwhile with our coop we can report an outage via text message and get a text message when it is restored. And they're usually accurate.

But I can understand your resistance to smart meters, which may enable time of day billing. You may even have to set your thermostat and start conserving energy for a change instead of wasting it. Oh, the horror!
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Re: PECO official: Meter replacement will be complete in 37 days

.... around here, the more you conserve the more you pay. Power usage was down to the point that they were suffering revenue loss, so they have a surcharge for conserving .... figure that one out !! They get you coming and going .....


OSUGoose

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Yea um no, we have those here on AEP, was out for a week, simply because of what you described, those the street over got their power back 24-48 hrs after. We sat in darkness till AEP got off its ass and came down our street, because it was a "small number" they chose to wait vs when the street right next to us got back up, checking to see how much that restored and why the street over was out still.


Jack_in_VA
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said by Bob4:

said by fifty nine:

Very happy with the co-op and the smart meter system. We were restored well before JCP&L who also operates within our area.

Co-worker lives in Sussex but has JCP&L. Their power was out for 3 weeks. After their neighbors had power, they had to wait days for JCP&L to reset the transformer serving 6 people.

Waiting to reset the transformer that is known to be out from a priority list has nothing to do with a smart meter does it? The less people effected the lower on the list.

When my power goes out I make the phone call, crank up my generator and go to the POCO's web site that has a map showing the outages in their service area. Also they have a site that shows where the crews are working and it is very accurate. To expect any more is living in a fantasy world with unreasonable expectations.

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You are obviously not reading what I wrote. I'm done.


fifty nine

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said by Jack_in_VA:

Waiting to reset the transformer that is known to be out from a priority list has nothing to do with a smart meter does it? The less people effected the lower on the list.

It pretty much does. If the meter doesn't phone home, the power company knows people are still without power. They can go investigate areas where the meters aren't phoning home, and find areas where people have called and maybe the calls were lost or people have just given up.

Speaking of calls, I have never called to report an outage. Ever. Some people just don't do that. They think other people have called already. The smart meters let the utility know that people are out of power.

When my power goes out I make the phone call, crank up my generator and go to the POCO's web site that has a map showing the outages in their service area. Also they have a site that shows where the crews are working and it is very accurate. To expect any more is living in a fantasy world with unreasonable expectations.

From all that you describe you really sound like you are living in utopia.


fifty nine

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said by kherr:

.... around here, the more you conserve the more you pay. Power usage was down to the point that they were suffering revenue loss, so they have a surcharge for conserving .... figure that one out !! They get you coming and going .....

Nice thing about our utility, it's a co-op. Any excess margins (profits) are returned to members.

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Except that your coop purchases electricity from for-profit companies, just like PSE&G and JCP&L.

PSE&G's and JCP&L's power distribution are run as non-profits, so it's not much different than your coop.


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I read exactly what you wrote. You want the POCO to come and hold your hand and sooth you. I'm also done.

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said by Jack_in_VA:

When my power goes out I make the phone call ... To expect any more is living in a fantasy world with unreasonable expectations.

Seriously? I don't need to make a phone call because the meter has already done so. A fantasy world would be where you can send a letter and not put a stamp on it. Oh wait -- we can to that now -- it's called email.

Jack -- I find it hard to comprehend your thought process. You make statements like

said by Jack_in_VA:

Maybe the more helpless ones wait for someone to do it for them and that's the reason to install a smart meter?

and

said by Jack_in_VA:

My god how have we made it this long?

My grandfather plowed with a mule and they didn't even have electricity until the early 50's, telephone about 1964. Progress! They wouldn't have understood the new electronic age and apparently even some who use it don't really either!