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Blackbird
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Re: Anonymous is hacking Israeli Web sites

said by Link Logger:

... So here is the problem, first countries don't like other countries killing their citizens, especially inside their country. Can you imagine what would happen if a Mossad hit team screwed up in the US, what do you think the fallout would be in terms of American support for Israel, then if someone was able to connect the dots back to the US government being aware of the activity, double whammy. Even if you couldn't connect the dots the fallout would be just as bad having an supposed very close ally working a plan like that in back, problematic for sure. The risk is much higher then the reward here.

I'm not so sure what the effect would be on American support for Israel. It certainly didn't suffer that large a lasting 'hit' when Israel knowingly attacked the USS Liberty intel ship in the eastern Med back in the late 60's. While Israel values her relations with the US, she makes her own security determinations of who and what to hit based on her own priorities and survival perceptions... and those certainly don't always line up with American viewpoints of what is acceptable or not. As far as the risk-reward ratio, for it to influence their choices of action, that depends purely on how the Israelis see the impact, motivation, and influences governing whatever Anonymous (or certain factions within) are presently doing. A long time ago, I learned that the Mossad marches to its own drumbeat, one that doesn't always make sense to American (or Canadian) ears - in part because we don't live in the threat scenario they do. Of all the spook agencies in the developed world, they are far and away the one most persistent in taking "direct actions"... and the one I'd least want to "mess around with".
said by Link Logger:

Next pointing out 'violations' of laws, that has a problem in the US as the Judge is going to ask questions about how the information was collected and if you a said foreign agent told me, that would pretty much be the end of the trial right there. Not to mention that you have admitted a foreign nation collecting data about your citizens inside your country, problematic again (how do you know that bob's machine is not just a zombie, because you were able to monitor bob's house and network connection in and out etc, how did you do that?).

The collection of miscreants called Anonymous are pretty much like mosquitoes, they buzz around alot, perhaps annoy you and might even get in the occasional bite, but what do you do stop that, you put on some bug repellent. ...

Regarding the pointing out 'violations' of law, Mossad's pattern has never been to do that directly to a 'judge' in another nation - in past situations, they simply tell at least part of what they know and how they figured it out to a sympathetic contact in an agency of the other nation, letting them develop their own native information and evidence based on the 'tip' or 'outline'. In some cases, it's worked out that the other nation's enforcement agencies have taken the ball and run with it; in other cases, that hasn't happened. If the stakes are high enough, the latter can become a situation when they've been known to take their own "direct action".

If Mossad looks at Anonymous merely as the 'mosquitoes' you describe, then they'll respond accordingly. But if Mossad sees something that threatens Israel's vital/survival interests, they will act somehow, somewhere, in some way. If it were me in Anonymous, that's a personal risk I'd be very unwilling to take, simply because I'd lack confidence in my ability to accurately read how they were likely to react.
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dbarber

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said by Blackbird:

I'm not so sure what the effect would be on American support for Israel. It certainly didn't suffer that large a lasting 'hit' when Israel knowingly attacked the USS Liberty intel ship in the eastern Med back in the late 60's.

But that was an "accident"! They didn't see the ten foot American flag, even though gun camera footage made it quite clear.
If they can plaster over that, they can fix almost anything. I mean who's going to miss a couple of "hackers"?
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goalieskates
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said by Blackbird:

I'm not so sure what the effect would be on American support for Israel. ... While Israel values her relations with the US, she makes her own security determinations of who and what to hit based on her own priorities and survival perceptions... and those certainly don't always line up with American viewpoints of what is acceptable or not.

Come to that, I'm not sure there's a consistent American viewpoint, especially now. The current government is against Al Qaeda except when it's not politically expedient. I give you Benghazi.

We sacrificed far more than an ambassador. After that, Anonymous doesn't even hit the radar.