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rebus9

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reply to elefante72

Re: baloney

said by elefante72:

I'm sick of the whiny nature of every post. It's like the entire mission of companies is to screw people constantly. Companies don't exist without customers. Now one has to look to government picking winners or losers..a la our current and past administrations..and that is the problem not the open competitive market.

There's a difference between "competitive market" and monopoly/dupoloy. And history has clearly shown us the ANTI-competitive nature of the large players. That's why Ma Bell was broken up in 1984, for example.

Don't think for a second that Verizon wouldn't take any opportunity to burn CLECs out of its footprint. My concern would be what happens to the CLEC customers, without regulatory oversight.

My guess? Verizon would dump the copper, rip up the CLECs' access agreements, and convert the CLEC copper customers into direct Verizon fiber customers. Customers that VZ doesn't want to deal with would be ignored or abandoned. But regulations prevent that from happening. (*)

But it IS a valid question to ask what will happen to CLEC customers on copper.... when the copper suddenly goes away, without notice, leaving the CLECs spinning in circles scrambling for a workaround to reach their own customers.

(*) I say this as a pro-business registered Republican, who isn't so blinded by party politics to not see the reality of the way things would be in the absense of regulations.

TBBroadband

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the problem is this has been done in areas- Carlton Michigan (in Monroe County) It is an AT&T region formally Ameritech, and under Ed and Project Light Speed, AT&T was able to kick out the CLECs and other ISPs as they moved everyone over to the new network. That was granted and stamped when the FCC stripped the CLECs and ISPs access to the new networks which now is stupid since they're taking USF funds to expand the FTTX networks. Everyone gets to pay in some way or another, but not everyone gets to have access.

Any network that uses USF to be built, should be open. But the FCC tossed that out the window when they ruled that the Internet was an Information Service and not a Communications service under Brand X, which would have opened up the MSOs to line sharing as well.

rebus9

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said by TBBroadband:

Any network that uses USF to be built, should be open. But the FCC tossed that out the window when they ruled that the Internet was an Information Service and not a Communications service under Brand X, which would have opened up the MSOs to line sharing as well.

Totally agree. What I disagree with is the USF itself.

If Country Joe wants to live 50 miles from nowhere, that's his choice to exchange big city conveniences for fresh air-- and one of those conveniences is high speed internet. Joe should never expect someone ELSE to pay the (high) cost of pulling high speed internet to the boondocks because he didn't want to live near the city. That was HIS choice, and he needs to man up to the drawbacks of rural life.

But I digress.

Since we DO have the USF, then YES, carriers SHOULD be required to open USF-funded networks.

However, if an ILEC takes NO subsidies and does a buildout 100% on their own dime, THEN it should be OK for them to keep it closed and proprietary. A 100% privately-funded investment should not be forced open by regulators.

Superstorm Standy was an anomoly, and a lot of copper plant was destroyed. I don't think VZ should be required to rebuild the copper-- but in all fairness, they should be requried to allow access to the fiber replacements for some reasonable period of time (define "reasonable" as you will) since the CLECs were already under an open access agreement at the time of loss. Otherwise, the CLECs have instantly and without warning, lost all access to thousands (perhaps tens of thousands) of their own customers, with no hope of recovering them.

However, if VZ uses ANY public funding to rebuild, then all bets are off and the replacement network SHOULD have to be open.