Not at that price!

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LLigetfa join:2006-05-15 Fort Frances, ON kudos:1	Not at that price! I have Canopy 5.7 service from my upstream provider both for my home and at work for my hotspot. At home I have newer SM with a P10 board that can do 2X/2X so I get 10 down/3 up. At work my SM is a P8 and only does 1X/1X so 5 down/1.5 up. I inquired with my provider about getting 2X and I think the proposal they came back to me is unreasonable. They want $650 up front and want to double my monthly fee. I turned them down and am seriously considering looking elsewhere for more bandwidth. -- Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey
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wirelessdog join:2008-07-15 Queen Anne, MD kudos:1	Ask them if you can provide your own equipment.
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OHSrob join:2011-06-08	reply to LLigetfa Are you a wisp or an end user ?. I sell another small wisp 45/20 for $800/mo. If you feel they are being unreasonable or want something serious, Call your local cable company or ILEC and get an optical Ethernet service. More bandwidth will always just be a phone call away. I built my whole company around fiber availability and maximizing distribution throughout my network. Also get multiple quotes/estimates from some wholesalers as well. Be very careful about company's that offer free installations and read the fine print. Edit:fixed typo
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wirelessdog join:2008-07-15 Queen Anne, MD kudos:1	reply to LLigetfa Now that I re-read the first post, the question I would ask is, what are you currently paying for your connection?
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AMD Phreak Pork eating crusader Premium join:2003-12-14 Cell Tower kudos:1	reply to LLigetfa They know that 2x mode is more efficient right? Even if you didn't buy more bandwidth you'd help them out...... Provided their end is capable and they have their SM base managed right.
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LLigetfa join:2006-05-15 Fort Frances, ON kudos:1	reply to OHSrob said by OHSrob: Are you a wisp or an end user ? Both, kind of... I run a not-for-profit hotspot in an industrial complex. said by OHSrob: Call your local cable company or ILEC and get an optical Ethernet service. More bandwidth will always just be a phone call away. You're not from around here are you? It's not like in Southern Ontario. Answer me this way... would you double your monthly fee to take a sub from a 5 meg tier to a 10 meg tier? -- Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey
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LLigetfa join:2006-05-15 Fort Frances, ON kudos:1	reply to AMD Phreak said by AMD Phreak: They know that 2x mode is more efficient right? Sometimes I wonder... you'd think it would be obvious eh? I tried to explain to my account rep that my hotspot uses less bandwidth than most residential subs and that increasing my bandwidth would not increase the amount of gigs used. The AP is 2X capable and has some 2X SMs on it already. Seemed like a no-brainer to me but they want to gouge me. I might just cancel their service and take down my hotspot, reducing my cost. I can always move my clients onto our internal Cisco LWAPs with a guest portal that tunnels out to the internet through our corporate WAN. I was looking for an excuse to add more Cisco LWAPs anyway. -- Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey
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jcremin join:2009-12-22 Siren, WI kudos:2	reply to LLigetfa said by LLigetfa: Answer me this way... would you double your monthly fee to take a sub from a 5 meg tier to a 10 meg tier? I double my price for double the speed. But my bandwidth is not cheap and my speed tiers top out at 1.5 megs right now. Netflix consumes a large percentage of my peak traffic. If a customer has 1.5 meg service from me now, they would probably use their connection just as much at 3 megs, however Netflix would be streaming at that full 3 megs and costing me much more. Now once you get above a certain point, my guess would be above 5 megs or so, then it is probably true that consumption probably doesn't increase nearly as much unless you happen to get a multi-netflix family. Once I can get my requirements high enough to bring in a large amount of bandwidth, my price per meg will be much lower, and doubling the speed wouldn't be double the cost to provide it. So I guess I would say that it depends on the WISP and their situation.
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Inssomniak The Glitch Premium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON kudos:1	reply to LLigetfa More bandwidth will always just be a phone call away. You're not from around here are you? It's not like in Southern Ontario. I think he his actually somewhere in Ontario?. But yea I have to agree Ive been absolutely pulling my hair out over a new fibre for the last few months. Here along the North Erie shore I have a whopping 1 choice for an Incumbent who so far cant get anything physically better than a 100mb port to me, and dont even ask me what it costs! -- OptionsDSL Wireless Internet »www.optionsdsl.ca
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LLigetfa join:2006-05-15 Fort Frances, ON kudos:1	reply to jcremin No NetFlix on my hotspot. These guys are not online for entertainment... strictly business. I doubt I hit anywhere near 5 gig a month. -- Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey
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LLigetfa join:2006-05-15 Fort Frances, ON kudos:1	reply to Inssomniak said by Inssomniak: I think he his actually somewhere in Ontario? Ja, I think the O in OHS stands for Ontario: »www.ontariohighspeed.ca/ -- Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey
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twizlar I dont think so. Premium join:2003-12-24 Brantford, ON kudos:3	reply to Inssomniak If you need more than 100meg it would probably be worth it to get a vlan from hydro one and backhaul to Toronto. We just hooked up a vlan via them in simcoe. -- Broadline Networks Inc.
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Inssomniak The Glitch Premium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON kudos:1	said by twizlar: If you need more than 100meg it would probably be worth it to get a vlan from hydro one and backhaul to Toronto. We just hooked up a vlan via them in simcoe. Wow sounds like a great idea!. Who do I call? I dont think they have any fibre around me. -- OptionsDSL Wireless Internet »www.optionsdsl.ca
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twizlar I dont think so. Premium join:2003-12-24 Brantford, ON kudos:3	www.hydroonetelecom.com/contact_us/index.html They have significant fibre assets in norfolk county, availability usually depends on how close you are to a splice point. They are in 151 as well. -- Broadline Networks Inc.
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Inssomniak The Glitch Premium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON kudos:1	said by twizlar: www.hydroonetelecom.com/contact_us/index.html They have significant fibre assets in norfolk county, availability usually depends on how close you are to a splice point. They are in 151 as well. Looking at their map actually They have it running right down RR55 to the coal burner on the lake! That goes right past my main PoP. Should give them a call indeed! In fact if its in the facility, I could wirelessly backhaul it to my tower without even needing the fibre! I can see the roof of the power plant from my tower. Although I imagine there are certain restrictions and security issues with mounting a backhaul onto a power generating station. -- OptionsDSL Wireless Internet »www.optionsdsl.ca
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OHSrob join:2011-06-08	reply to LLigetfa said by LLigetfa: said by OHSrob: Call your local cable company or ILEC and get an optical Ethernet service. More bandwidth will always just be a phone call away. You're not from around here are you? It's not like in Southern Ontario. I thought you were a wisp and could just park a tower next to a fiber pop across from a central office that is in a good spot. Obviously your situation is unique. Bell has ADSL in many places and as long as its not on the old ATM network they have tons of capacity. Once you get fiber in if the network your on can support it you can always call for more capacity. Bell brought in 12 strand for me I have one that is in use. 100 full duplex, I can make a phone call and have a gigabit at a higher cost. I have connectivity from bell to 151 front street where we use nexicom from there. said by LLigetfa: Answer me this way... would you double your monthly fee to take a sub from a 5 meg tier to a 10 meg tier? Under normal situations no, but as your case is very unique I would seriously consider it if you could keep the data usage low enough (Preferably under 20GB/mo) and limited the stations on the hotspot to 4 or 5 megabit's with QOS. And if access point I was going to put you on was 5.8ghz and the SNR was high enough and the tower you were on was close to my main pop. (less then 3 backhauls to go through). We do offer more speeds then listed on the site, We have a 6/2, 5/5 and 10/10 they are only available to business.
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LLigetfa join:2006-05-15 Fort Frances, ON kudos:1	I was with Bell but they could only offer ADSL at an affordable rate. I don't really need more download. What I need is more upload. With ADSL, the 512kb upload was pathetic. By comparison, the 1.5mb upload on Canopy 1X is much better but 3mb on 2X would be better still. My customers are mostly tech reps that need the upload speed to send files and for VPN. Again, my hotspot is not for entertainment and it is not open. The reason I put up my hotspot was to keep the traffic off of our WAN. Our present WAN link is a BGP of two 5m/512k ADSL circuits. Large uploads can choke that right quick. I recently got a quote for an E10 MPSL circuit to be installed, not for this hotspot but for our WAN link. The monthly on that would be $1900 and the install would be $10,000. Once that is in place, I won't need the hotspot any more. -- Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey
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LLigetfa join:2006-05-15 Fort Frances, ON kudos:1	reply to OHSrob said by OHSrob: I thought you were a wisp and could just park a tower next to a fiber pop across from a central office that is in a good spot. Obviously your situation is unique. Bell has ADSL in many places and as long as its not on the old ATM network they have tons of capacity. We own a now vacant parcel of land adjacent to the Bell CO and I can throw a rock and hit it from just outside my office which is across the street from it. I had an aerial fibre going across the street before a truck snagged it and tore it down. -- Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and formal education positively fortifies it. -- Stephen Vizinczey
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AMD Phreak Pork eating crusader Premium join:2003-12-14 Cell Tower kudos:1	reply to LLigetfa I agree. Based on our conversations over the years, it sounds like they might need to be left behind.
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voxframe join:2010-08-02	reply to LLigetfa I find the pricing to be rather acceptable. Not nice, no. But acceptable. It fits the current offering window as far as I can see. The upfront charge is acceptable. Those modules ain't cheap. You're a commercial client. If I went to ask for something similar on any of my upstream points, that required a complete CPE swapping, you better believe I'd end up eating the cost. The monthly cost MIGHT have some wiggle room? Here it's nearly standard when you're a business client, the costs pretty much do double. If you're in an area where bandwidth isn't easy to come by, the increase could actually be exponential. So again, yeah it's acceptable. Not nice, not pretty, not friendly, but acceptable. If you can do it cheaper with fiber to the CO etc or through some other contortion, then by all means do it. I just wouldn't hold it against the upstream provider as being jerks for what they're asking. Try doing the same with any other commercial bandwidth provider and the costs and fees come flying fast.
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