brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to Guspaz
Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane? Their Canadian routing is not very good at all, but what can you expect when their rates are so cheap. They could really gain from picking up some transit from Allstream to fill in the gap. |
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join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
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| their canadian routing is very good for Rogers and Videotron and Start (I have customers on all of those getting amazing performance).
their Montreal NOC/Network engineers seem to care too about performance and just turned up a private peer between TSI/OHV at TorIX which should improve performance. |
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jmckformerly 'shaded'
join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON | well the private peer didn't seem to help one bit, still struggling to get any decent throughput from OVH to TSI even at 1:45pm on a Sunday. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to jmck
said by jmck:their canadian routing is very good for Rogers and Videotron and Start (I have customers on all of those getting amazing performance).
There is more to Canadian networks than just those 2 carriers and a small ISP. |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to Guspaz
That's a pretty good chunk of them, though. It's a new network, and a brand new datacenter. The routing may improve over time as they expand.
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 ohmer
join:2003-08-06
Quebec, QC | They should peer with peer1 at Montreal instead of NY like they do right now... |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz:That's a pretty good chunk of them, though.
What a funny guy. Please stop making me laugh. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to ohmer
said by ohmer:They should peer with peer1 at Montreal instead of NY like they do right now...
Not instead of.. they should make an attempt to peer with them in as many places as possible. |
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to brad
What a funny guy? Rogers and Videotron combined are roughly 2 million broadband subs between them, and Canada has roughly 10 million in total. Those two ISPs alone are 20% of all broadband subs, not a bad start for direct peering... If they can get peering with Bell, that would take them up to 50% right there.
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jmckformerly 'shaded'
join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON Reviews:
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| The only other large consumer provider I left out was Bell that had an east coast footprint which is where OVH is located (i suppose Cogeco is decent too).
Anyways, I don't even see the point to this, they also have transit in NYC/NJ and Chicago which is again where all of eastern Canada goes into.
I'm sure they'll increasing their private and public peering over time in Canada, but they can't just go and peer with Tier 1s that would rather sell them bandwidth.
As mentioned above too with TSI, private peering doesn't mean fast performance (altho this seems to be because of TSI not really caring). |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
1 edit | reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz:What a funny guy? Rogers and Videotron combined are roughly 2 million broadband subs between them, and Canada has roughly 10 million in total. Those two ISPs alone are 20% of all broadband subs, not a bad start for direct peering... If they can get peering with Bell, that would take them up to 50% right there.
I don't consider that a "pretty good chunk" and that still leaves out Bell, Telus, Allstream, Shaw and a few others. It's peering with Rogers, transit from Videotron. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to jmck
said by jmck:The only other large consumer provider
Anyways, I don't even see the point to this
I'm sure they'll increasing their private and public peering over time in Canada, but they can't just go and peer with Tier 1s that would rather sell them bandwidth.
There is more to the Internet than just DSL / cable connections.
You've made that pretty clear.
Who said anything about peering? They could have made better choices for their Canadian transit options or purchased additional transit from other providers to fill in the gaps. |
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said by julienvf:said by Guru:said by julienvf:I didn't get charged any taxes on the 119 euros yearly plan...
I bought a $39 server from OVH.ca today and got charged tax. Yea, you bought it on the .ca domain while I got mine on the EU site. funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did. |
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| said by funny:funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did.
I'd love to hear your explanation of how that is tax avoidance and/or evasion. |
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Aren't Rogers and Videotron owned by the same conglamorate/are sister companies? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but can't find it now... |
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Satya
join:2011-09-11
Mississauga, ON | reply to Guspaz
I have been renting servers with OVH since 2006. Before they allowed only French citizens and countries with official languages as French to buy on their site www.ovh.com Montreal was part of that and the only province in Canada to be able to order directly. Otherwise you needed a french address and a french credit card number.
OVH was cheap at that point too offering 100mbit unmetered servers for 40-50 euros a month. They became really popular and were able to grow massively partly because of their pricing which lured all p2p users to rent their servers as "seedboxes". Resellers who were able to order form france were selling servers at a good 20 euros premium making them very profitable.
Seeing their business boom rapidly, they were able to internalize all their operations from building their own datacenters, to eco friendly electricity generation, build their own servers from scratch, own land and property rather than lease. All these business deals made them pass their savings to customers on their lower range of the servers.
However, OVH is not premium routing. If you download using a single thread and you are in Canada, you will get around 200-300KB/sec tops. Compare that to someone like softlayer.nl or nforce.nl or other premium providers you will see the difference. But NOONE can touch ovh on the budget range and that has what made them popular.
You can still order servers from www.ovh.ie and rent their servers and have a choice of the datacenter you want to pick. Most pick RBX which is roubaix in france and strasbourg is their relatively newer one in europe.
You can check the network map that OVH has from here ->
»weathermap.ovh.net
You can register on their forums here -> »forums.ovh.co.uk
You can check the status of their network issues, their work in progress on various datacenters, router issues, outages here
--> »status.ovh.net |
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GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to Guspaz
Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?
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julienvf
join:2008-12-30
Verdun, QC
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| said by Guspaz:Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?
I was gonna ask the same thing. If you want to see how dl speed would be from their european datacenter, simply try a speedtest from www.ovh.net which is in France. |
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jmckformerly 'shaded'
join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON Reviews:
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I'm sorry but i have several customers that use my services hosted on OVH including all over the US (using comcast, verizon FIOS, cox.net) and a few here (rogers, videotron, start.ca) and they all are able to mostly saturate their lines.
TSI seems to be the one exception even with a private peer setup last week. |
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said by rednekcowboy:Aren't Rogers and Videotron owned by the same conglamorate/are sister companies? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but can't find it now...
No, they aren't.
But they were roommates at the "School of Customer Gouging". |
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said by Guspaz:Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?
Dunno. But they might pick the Irish datacentre to establish a 'legal' presence in Ireland for their Netherlands Antillies operations. |
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Satya
join:2011-09-11
Mississauga, ON | reply to Guspaz
in p2p world..the reasons are unlimited..if that is not your need..then you pick the datacenter that will give you the best routing to your location |
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 hm
@videotron.ca | So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?
Yay or Nay?
Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?
Anyone actually using them? Beefs? |
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| said by hm :So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?
Yay or Nay?
Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?
Anyone actually using them? Beefs?
I don't think you'll find a better bang for your buck. I've been using them for several months and no beefs yet.
I think the real test will be the first time something dies like a hard-drive and I have to wait for support to fix it. I've heard stories going both ways -- some say replacement was quick and easy, others have said it was a nightmare procedure.
I take lots of backups and don't host anything mission-critical, so even nightmare support wouldn't be such a big deal in my case so that's why I'm with them. Yay or Nay is entirely dependent on your particular situation though. |
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said by julienvf:said by Guru:said by julienvf:I didn't get charged any taxes on the 119 euros yearly plan...
I bought a $39 server from OVH.ca today and got charged tax. Yea, you bought it on the .ca domain while I got mine on the EU site. so your admitting to tax evasion? oh my... |
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said by Guspaz:What a funny guy? Rogers and Videotron combined are roughly 2 million broadband subs between them, and Canada has roughly 10 million in total. Those two ISPs alone are 20% of all broadband subs, not a bad start for direct peering... If they can get peering with Bell, that would take them up to 50% right there.
by subs you mean users subscribers WRONG in 2006 sandvine came up with 24 million accounts and 5.4 million p2p users at one time and 4 months later it jumped to 9.8 million see a trend....
anyhow cant tell on validity BUT last september CBC ran some internet article saying we had 21 million net users. lost 3 million since caps were introduced....
thats a lot of revenue they lost for being silly
take bell
both me and my dad have dropped them ( ONLY what tsi gives them is what they get now )
so you get a tv /phone loss on my dads side and phone and net loss to whatever tsi gives them.
no wonder they THINK THEY NEED caps now....they screwed themsleves for customers and its a need fer greed issue. |
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said by Ree:said by funny:funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did.
I'd love to hear your explanation of how that is tax avoidance and/or evasion. if you buy a service and are supposed to pay a taxes on it and AVOID OR EVADE them by skirting rules or finding a technicality of location know this...there actually is a law on the books to catch pedobears that is in effect ...what a canuck does on the net OUR LAWS APPLY....thus if your buying internet server from ovh and its located in canada but using a site in EU and evading taxes if they really wanted to come sideways at you they could for it....it also ina future of any issue you have be just something else they add on you to make you look even worse in front of any judge.
OH and trust me they will be far quicker at closing loopholes for small fry then big corporate types that use the nation of belize to launder money....( where was it helena and jaffer vacationed again?) |
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hm
@videotron.ca | reply to Ree
said by Ree:said by hm :So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?
Yay or Nay?
Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?
Anyone actually using them? Beefs?
I don't think you'll find a better bang for your buck. I've been using them for several months and no beefs yet. I think the real test will be the first time something dies like a hard-drive and I have to wait for support to fix it. I've heard stories going both ways -- some say replacement was quick and easy, others have said it was a nightmare procedure. I take lots of backups and don't host anything mission-critical, so even nightmare support wouldn't be such a big deal in my case so that's why I'm with them. Yay or Nay is entirely dependent on your particular situation though. TY for the response, Ree.
About routing...
Read further up that some people have a very poor response times to their servers. Was this limited to TSI users? Is it fixed now? Shaw, Telus and Cogeco land have no issues?
Anyone know? |
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said by funny:if you buy a service and are supposed to pay a taxes on it and AVOID OR EVADE them by skirting rules or finding a technicality of location know this...there actually is a law on the books to catch pedobears that is in effect And why do you assume he ordered from the EU site to avoid taxes? If you'd looked into things before making your accusation, you would know it's much more likely that he ordered from the EU site because it is the only one that sells that particular server.
The CA site sells the mid to high-end Kimsufi servers, the EU site currently has a special offering one of the low-end Kimsufi servers.
said by hm :Read further up that some people have a very poor response times to their servers. Was this limited to TSI users? Is it fixed now? Shaw, Telus and Cogeco land have no issues?
I've only seen a TekSavvy user report it, but it's entirely possible that other ISPs are affected and their users just aren't noticing/reporting it.
All is well with Rogers though -- backing up my ESXi VMs via rsync maxes the 100mbit connection. |
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OVH service is pretty good. They may have the biggest data center on Earth now in Montreal. If only they could provide VoIP and internet in Canada as they do in France that would be a awesome!
I pay only 1.18 euro/month for unlimited calls to 100+ countries.
And could shake our beloved canadian ISPs that rip us all ! |
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