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MaynardKrebs
Heave Steve, for the good of the country
Premium
join:2009-06-17
kudos:4
reply to Guspaz

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

said by Guspaz:

Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?

Dunno. But they might pick the Irish datacentre to establish a 'legal' presence in Ireland for their Netherlands Antillies operations.

Satya

join:2011-09-11
Mississauga, ON
reply to Guspaz

in p2p world..the reasons are unlimited..if that is not your need..then you pick the datacenter that will give you the best routing to your location



hm

@videotron.ca

So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?


Ree

join:2007-04-29
h0h0h0
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Start Communicat..

said by hm :

So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?

I don't think you'll find a better bang for your buck. I've been using them for several months and no beefs yet.

I think the real test will be the first time something dies like a hard-drive and I have to wait for support to fix it. I've heard stories going both ways -- some say replacement was quick and easy, others have said it was a nightmare procedure.

I take lots of backups and don't host anything mission-critical, so even nightmare support wouldn't be such a big deal in my case so that's why I'm with them. Yay or Nay is entirely dependent on your particular situation though.

funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to julienvf

said by julienvf:

said by Guru:

said by julienvf:

I didn't get charged any taxes on the 119 euros yearly plan...

I bought a $39 server from OVH.ca today and got charged tax.

Yea, you bought it on the .ca domain while I got mine on the EU site.

so your admitting to tax evasion? oh my...

funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

What a funny guy? Rogers and Videotron combined are roughly 2 million broadband subs between them, and Canada has roughly 10 million in total. Those two ISPs alone are 20% of all broadband subs, not a bad start for direct peering... If they can get peering with Bell, that would take them up to 50% right there.

by subs you mean users subscribers WRONG in 2006 sandvine came up with 24 million accounts and 5.4 million p2p users at one time and 4 months later it jumped to 9.8 million see a trend....
anyhow cant tell on validity BUT last september CBC ran some internet article saying we had 21 million net users. lost 3 million since caps were introduced....
thats a lot of revenue they lost for being silly
take bell
both me and my dad have dropped them ( ONLY what tsi gives them is what they get now )
so you get a tv /phone loss on my dads side and phone and net loss to whatever tsi gives them.

no wonder they THINK THEY NEED caps now....they screwed themsleves for customers and its a need fer greed issue.

funny

join:2010-12-22
reply to Ree

said by Ree:

said by funny:

funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did.

I'd love to hear your explanation of how that is tax avoidance and/or evasion.

if you buy a service and are supposed to pay a taxes on it and AVOID OR EVADE them by skirting rules or finding a technicality of location know this...there actually is a law on the books to catch pedobears that is in effect ...what a canuck does on the net OUR LAWS APPLY....thus if your buying internet server from ovh and its located in canada but using a site in EU and evading taxes if they really wanted to come sideways at you they could for it....it also ina future of any issue you have be just something else they add on you to make you look even worse in front of any judge.

OH and trust me they will be far quicker at closing loopholes for small fry then big corporate types that use the nation of belize to launder money....( where was it helena and jaffer vacationed again?)


hm

@videotron.ca
reply to Ree

said by Ree:

said by hm :

So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?

I don't think you'll find a better bang for your buck. I've been using them for several months and no beefs yet.

I think the real test will be the first time something dies like a hard-drive and I have to wait for support to fix it. I've heard stories going both ways -- some say replacement was quick and easy, others have said it was a nightmare procedure.

I take lots of backups and don't host anything mission-critical, so even nightmare support wouldn't be such a big deal in my case so that's why I'm with them. Yay or Nay is entirely dependent on your particular situation though.

TY for the response, Ree.

About routing...

Read further up that some people have a very poor response times to their servers. Was this limited to TSI users? Is it fixed now? Shaw, Telus and Cogeco land have no issues?

Anyone know?

Ree

join:2007-04-29
h0h0h0
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Start Communicat..
reply to funny

said by funny:

if you buy a service and are supposed to pay a taxes on it and AVOID OR EVADE them by skirting rules or finding a technicality of location know this...there actually is a law on the books to catch pedobears that is in effect

And why do you assume he ordered from the EU site to avoid taxes? If you'd looked into things before making your accusation, you would know it's much more likely that he ordered from the EU site because it is the only one that sells that particular server.

The CA site sells the mid to high-end Kimsufi servers, the EU site currently has a special offering one of the low-end Kimsufi servers.

said by hm :

Read further up that some people have a very poor response times to their servers. Was this limited to TSI users? Is it fixed now? Shaw, Telus and Cogeco land have no issues?

I've only seen a TekSavvy user report it, but it's entirely possible that other ISPs are affected and their users just aren't noticing/reporting it.

All is well with Rogers though -- backing up my ESXi VMs via rsync maxes the 100mbit connection.

green92

join:2013-01-26
Montreal, QC
reply to Guspaz

OVH service is pretty good. They may have the biggest data center on Earth now in Montreal. If only they could provide VoIP and internet in Canada as they do in France that would be a awesome!
I pay only 1.18 euro/month for unlimited calls to 100+ countries.
And could shake our beloved canadian ISPs that rip us all !


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
reply to Guspaz

I was going to get one of their $39 servers for hosting a game but the ping was quite a bit slower (93-120ms) from Surrey to OVH (proof.ovh.ca) vs Surrey to Denver (VPS NFOserversms) (64-98ms)

I guess the routing is more efficient to the Denver location vs going through Canada?


julienvf

join:2008-12-30
Verdun, QC
kudos:1

I get about 24-25ms ping from Montréal but traffic is routed through torix (Toronto back and forth).



Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Guspaz

Routing? No, more like Denver is a fraction the distance from BC as compared to Montreal... Surrey to Denver is ~2,300 km, while Surrey to Montreal is ~4,500 km.

In terms of latency, I pinged DSL_Ricer's father's OVH box from my Montreal TekSavvy connection and got a stable 21ms. It went through TorIX. The lower latency is probably due to being on VDSL2 (which has lower first-hop latency).
--
Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC

said by Guspaz:

Routing? No, more like Denver is a fraction the distance from BC as compared to Montreal... Surrey to Denver is ~2,300 km, while Surrey to Montreal is ~4,500 km.

In terms of latency, I pinged DSL_Ricer's father's OVH box from my Montreal TekSavvy connection and got a stable 21ms. It went through TorIX. The lower latency is probably due to being on VDSL2 (which has lower first-hop latency).

Odd as my ping to a server at Netelligent has always been in the 70's and to OVH its in the 90/100's even NFOservers NY is in the 90's/100's.

I just need a cheap game server, $39 is a crazy price. I guess I could get two different ones East (OVH) and West (VPS NFO Seattle) then use the OVH one to host the map files.


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Guspaz

Netelligent is still 1000 km closer to you than Montreal...

Seriously, look at a map. Latency scales with geographic distance.
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC

said by Guspaz:

Netelligent is still 1000 km closer to you than Montreal...

Seriously, look at a map. Latency scales with geographic distance.

My old Netelligent dedi server and shared account are both in Montreal.

OVH

1 4 ms 3 ms 5 ms 192.168.0.1
2 70 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
3 90 ms 44 ms 45 ms zz20920586075.cipherkey.net [209.205.86.75]
4 43 ms 44 ms 45 ms xx208110096019.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.19]
5 44 ms 43 ms 44 ms xx208110096090.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.90]
6 43 ms 44 ms 43 ms 67.69.228.189
7 44 ms 47 ms 43 ms core2-vancouver_POS3-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.248.6
1]
8 111 ms 112 ms 110 ms core4-vancouver_pos0-0-1.net.bell.ca [64.230.183
.38]
9 114 ms 115 ms 113 ms tcore4-toronto12_POS0-8-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.
147.209]
10 112 ms 112 ms 113 ms newcore2-chicago23_so2-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.1
47.174]
11 110 ms 110 ms 111 ms bx5-chicagodt_xe0-1-0_0 [64.230.186.255]
12 110 ms * * eqx.chi.ovh.net [206.223.119.152]
13 131 ms 129 ms 128 ms 198.27.73.173
14 * 127 ms 127 ms bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.5]
15 207 ms 251 ms 212 ms bhs-1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.12]
16 129 ms 129 ms 129 ms 8.7.244.2

Netelligent

1 3 ms 4 ms 4 ms 192.168.0.1
2 81 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
3 47 ms 48 ms 58 ms zz20920586075.cipherkey.net [209.205.86.75]
4 43 ms 46 ms 44 ms xx208110096019.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.19]
5 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms xx208110096026.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.26]
6 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms 67.69.228.189
7 106 ms 107 ms 108 ms core2-vancouver_POS3-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.248.6
1]
8 106 ms 105 ms 104 ms core4-vancouver_pos0-0-1.net.bell.ca [64.230.183
.38]
9 110 ms 110 ms 107 ms tcore4-toronto47_POS0-12-1-0.net.bell.ca [64.230
.147.193]
10 106 ms 107 ms 107 ms 64.230.147.129
11 114 ms 109 ms 113 ms tcore3-montreal02_POS0-7-0-0_core.net.bell.ca [6
4.230.168.97]
12 108 ms 105 ms 105 ms agg1-montreal02_xe5-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.170.
242]
13 104 ms 106 ms 105 ms dis53-montreal02_5-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.169.1
70]
14 106 ms 105 ms 107 ms 67.69.244.158
15 111 ms 110 ms 111 ms 209.44.125.160
16 105 ms 106 ms 105 ms todd.dnsprive.com [209.44.106.221]



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Guspaz

Fair enough (I was going by their headquarters connection), but the majority of your problems seem to be your own connection, since you have what appears to be basically 43ms + of first-hop latency. And the extra latency to OVH seems to be entirely a factor of Bell Canada refusing to peer at TorIX, forcing the connection to take a detour. Bell's arrogance and intransigence is turning the ~550km trip from Montreal to Toronto into a 2200km trip. Bell's self-absorbed peering policies are adding 1700 kilometers to the journey.
--
Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org



mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5
reply to Guspaz

Might I add Rogers has fantastic peering through TorIX. Always low latency to my OVH servers.

Tracing route to 8.7.244.2 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 8 ms 8 ms 6 ms 7.41.204.1
3 27 ms 23 ms 14 ms 24.156.149.97
4 17 ms 14 ms 14 ms 69.63.250.218
5 14 ms 13 ms 12 ms 69.63.248.190
6 30 ms * 14 ms gw-ovh.torontointernetxchange.net [206.108.34.18
9]
7 21 ms * 23 ms mtl-2-6k.qc.ca [178.32.135.71]
8 * 22 ms * bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.5]
9 21 ms * * bhs-1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.12]
10 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms 8.7.244.2

Trace complete.


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC

1 edit
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

Fair enough (I was going by their headquarters connection), but the majority of your problems seem to be your own connection, since you have what appears to be basically 43ms + of first-hop latency. And the extra latency to OVH seems to be entirely a factor of Bell Canada refusing to peer at TorIX, forcing the connection to take a detour. Bell's arrogance and intransigence is turning the ~550km trip from Montreal to Toronto into a 2200km trip. Bell's self-absorbed peering policies are adding 1700 kilometers to the journey.

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23

said by analog andy:

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

It really is. Every other major incumbent ISP in Ontario/Quebec and many more eastern ones peer at TorIX. Rogers, Videotron, Cogeco, Bell Aliant, Eastlink, Shaw... Even some American incumbents peer, like Frontier and AT&T... Admittedly, some like AT&T and Videotron are no longer actively peering despite their connection (Videotron to TekSavvy goes through Limelight), although for this specific case Videotron peers directly with OVH.

said by analog andy:

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

You missed the better deal, where they had Atom servers (which still had huge bandwidth and hard drives) in Montreal selling for 119 euros per year. That's what DSL_Ricer's dad got.
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org

julienvf

join:2008-12-30
Verdun, QC
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Acanac

said by Guspaz:

said by analog andy:

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

It really is. Every other major incumbent ISP in Ontario/Quebec and many more eastern ones peer at TorIX. Rogers, Videotron, Cogeco, Bell Aliant, Eastlink, Shaw... Even some American incumbents peer, like Frontier and AT&T... Admittedly, some like AT&T and Videotron are no longer actively peering despite their connection (Videotron to TekSavvy goes through Limelight), although for this specific case Videotron peers directly with OVH.

said by analog andy:

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

You missed the better deal, where they had Atom servers (which still had huge bandwidth and hard drives) in Montreal selling for 119 euros per year. That's what DSL_Ricer's dad got.

That's the one I got too... Was too tempting!

pc8888

join:2011-05-31
estonia

I am new to this.

I am interested in the $39 box. I read that some of you are using vwmare and I am thinking about running ESXi 5.1 on it.

Does it come with ESXi when I place the order?
If not, is there any link out there that show me how to do it?



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Guspaz

It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.
--
Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org



mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

said by Guspaz:

It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Actually you can use vSphere on the KS servers but you have to order it with a distro on the list and then do a reinstall. The only caveat is that it's not supported by OVH officially and vSphere doesn't support the software RAID so the disks will be show up independently.

Cyborg994

join:2005-04-18
Montreal, QC
reply to Guspaz

I have been looking into smartos lately, looks very promising, and it's actually an option at OVH. Pretty cool!


pc8888

join:2011-05-31
estonia
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

$59 bucks, ESXi 5 + 16gb ram + hosting in Canada is still cheaper than everybody else. I like Amazon, but all the clients I have met do not like residing data on US soil. At least not on the paper.

P.S. Amazon EC2 can't do Oracle RAC but it seems like this OVH can handle it. Gotta do more research...

Cyborg994

join:2005-04-18
Montreal, QC
reply to Guspaz

I now have 2 servers there. So far service has been flawless.

Now thinking into renting a 200$+ server there, instead of purchasing a colo machine (3-4k range supermicro) and hosting it at netelligent. They provide enough RAM so it should last me a while, which I cannot say for iWeb or other providers.


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
reply to Guspaz

I ended up with two game servers from OVH. One in Canada and one i France. They both worked good but wanted to consolidate the servers and ended up with Hetzner which seems to have better routing than OVH.ie.



jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON

i can't imagine you'd get better latency to a german provider coming from Canada.


Kin

join:2007-08-23
Ottawa, ON
reply to Guspaz

I had a SP 1 and currently have a KS 1. Pretty awesome. I was so excited to see OVH come to Canada. Its a real game changer for dedicated servers in NA. I had a couple dedicated server in frame, but the latency was really a huge problem. My montreal servers get better latency than my VPSs in NYC and New Jersey, which was previously my gold standard.