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analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
reply to Guspaz

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

I was going to get one of their $39 servers for hosting a game but the ping was quite a bit slower (93-120ms) from Surrey to OVH (proof.ovh.ca) vs Surrey to Denver (VPS NFOserversms) (64-98ms)

I guess the routing is more efficient to the Denver location vs going through Canada?


julienvf

join:2008-12-30
Verdun, QC
kudos:1

I get about 24-25ms ping from Montréal but traffic is routed through torix (Toronto back and forth).



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Guspaz

Routing? No, more like Denver is a fraction the distance from BC as compared to Montreal... Surrey to Denver is ~2,300 km, while Surrey to Montreal is ~4,500 km.

In terms of latency, I pinged DSL_Ricer's father's OVH box from my Montreal TekSavvy connection and got a stable 21ms. It went through TorIX. The lower latency is probably due to being on VDSL2 (which has lower first-hop latency).
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analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC

said by Guspaz:

Routing? No, more like Denver is a fraction the distance from BC as compared to Montreal... Surrey to Denver is ~2,300 km, while Surrey to Montreal is ~4,500 km.

In terms of latency, I pinged DSL_Ricer's father's OVH box from my Montreal TekSavvy connection and got a stable 21ms. It went through TorIX. The lower latency is probably due to being on VDSL2 (which has lower first-hop latency).

Odd as my ping to a server at Netelligent has always been in the 70's and to OVH its in the 90/100's even NFOservers NY is in the 90's/100's.

I just need a cheap game server, $39 is a crazy price. I guess I could get two different ones East (OVH) and West (VPS NFO Seattle) then use the OVH one to host the map files.


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Guspaz

Netelligent is still 1000 km closer to you than Montreal...

Seriously, look at a map. Latency scales with geographic distance.
--
Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC

said by Guspaz:

Netelligent is still 1000 km closer to you than Montreal...

Seriously, look at a map. Latency scales with geographic distance.

My old Netelligent dedi server and shared account are both in Montreal.

OVH

1 4 ms 3 ms 5 ms 192.168.0.1
2 70 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
3 90 ms 44 ms 45 ms zz20920586075.cipherkey.net [209.205.86.75]
4 43 ms 44 ms 45 ms xx208110096019.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.19]
5 44 ms 43 ms 44 ms xx208110096090.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.90]
6 43 ms 44 ms 43 ms 67.69.228.189
7 44 ms 47 ms 43 ms core2-vancouver_POS3-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.248.6
1]
8 111 ms 112 ms 110 ms core4-vancouver_pos0-0-1.net.bell.ca [64.230.183
.38]
9 114 ms 115 ms 113 ms tcore4-toronto12_POS0-8-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.
147.209]
10 112 ms 112 ms 113 ms newcore2-chicago23_so2-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.1
47.174]
11 110 ms 110 ms 111 ms bx5-chicagodt_xe0-1-0_0 [64.230.186.255]
12 110 ms * * eqx.chi.ovh.net [206.223.119.152]
13 131 ms 129 ms 128 ms 198.27.73.173
14 * 127 ms 127 ms bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.5]
15 207 ms 251 ms 212 ms bhs-1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.12]
16 129 ms 129 ms 129 ms 8.7.244.2

Netelligent

1 3 ms 4 ms 4 ms 192.168.0.1
2 81 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
3 47 ms 48 ms 58 ms zz20920586075.cipherkey.net [209.205.86.75]
4 43 ms 46 ms 44 ms xx208110096019.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.19]
5 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms xx208110096026.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.26]
6 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms 67.69.228.189
7 106 ms 107 ms 108 ms core2-vancouver_POS3-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.248.6
1]
8 106 ms 105 ms 104 ms core4-vancouver_pos0-0-1.net.bell.ca [64.230.183
.38]
9 110 ms 110 ms 107 ms tcore4-toronto47_POS0-12-1-0.net.bell.ca [64.230
.147.193]
10 106 ms 107 ms 107 ms 64.230.147.129
11 114 ms 109 ms 113 ms tcore3-montreal02_POS0-7-0-0_core.net.bell.ca [6
4.230.168.97]
12 108 ms 105 ms 105 ms agg1-montreal02_xe5-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.170.
242]
13 104 ms 106 ms 105 ms dis53-montreal02_5-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.169.1
70]
14 106 ms 105 ms 107 ms 67.69.244.158
15 111 ms 110 ms 111 ms 209.44.125.160
16 105 ms 106 ms 105 ms todd.dnsprive.com [209.44.106.221]



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Guspaz

Fair enough (I was going by their headquarters connection), but the majority of your problems seem to be your own connection, since you have what appears to be basically 43ms + of first-hop latency. And the extra latency to OVH seems to be entirely a factor of Bell Canada refusing to peer at TorIX, forcing the connection to take a detour. Bell's arrogance and intransigence is turning the ~550km trip from Montreal to Toronto into a 2200km trip. Bell's self-absorbed peering policies are adding 1700 kilometers to the journey.
--
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5
reply to Guspaz

Might I add Rogers has fantastic peering through TorIX. Always low latency to my OVH servers.

Tracing route to 8.7.244.2 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 8 ms 8 ms 6 ms 7.41.204.1
3 27 ms 23 ms 14 ms 24.156.149.97
4 17 ms 14 ms 14 ms 69.63.250.218
5 14 ms 13 ms 12 ms 69.63.248.190
6 30 ms * 14 ms gw-ovh.torontointernetxchange.net [206.108.34.18
9]
7 21 ms * 23 ms mtl-2-6k.qc.ca [178.32.135.71]
8 * 22 ms * bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.5]
9 21 ms * * bhs-1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.12]
10 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms 8.7.244.2

Trace complete.


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC

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reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

Fair enough (I was going by their headquarters connection), but the majority of your problems seem to be your own connection, since you have what appears to be basically 43ms + of first-hop latency. And the extra latency to OVH seems to be entirely a factor of Bell Canada refusing to peer at TorIX, forcing the connection to take a detour. Bell's arrogance and intransigence is turning the ~550km trip from Montreal to Toronto into a 2200km trip. Bell's self-absorbed peering policies are adding 1700 kilometers to the journey.

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.


Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23

said by analog andy:

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

It really is. Every other major incumbent ISP in Ontario/Quebec and many more eastern ones peer at TorIX. Rogers, Videotron, Cogeco, Bell Aliant, Eastlink, Shaw... Even some American incumbents peer, like Frontier and AT&T... Admittedly, some like AT&T and Videotron are no longer actively peering despite their connection (Videotron to TekSavvy goes through Limelight), although for this specific case Videotron peers directly with OVH.

said by analog andy:

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

You missed the better deal, where they had Atom servers (which still had huge bandwidth and hard drives) in Montreal selling for 119 euros per year. That's what DSL_Ricer's dad got.
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julienvf

join:2008-12-30
Verdun, QC
kudos:1
Reviews:
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said by Guspaz:

said by analog andy:

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

It really is. Every other major incumbent ISP in Ontario/Quebec and many more eastern ones peer at TorIX. Rogers, Videotron, Cogeco, Bell Aliant, Eastlink, Shaw... Even some American incumbents peer, like Frontier and AT&T... Admittedly, some like AT&T and Videotron are no longer actively peering despite their connection (Videotron to TekSavvy goes through Limelight), although for this specific case Videotron peers directly with OVH.

said by analog andy:

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

You missed the better deal, where they had Atom servers (which still had huge bandwidth and hard drives) in Montreal selling for 119 euros per year. That's what DSL_Ricer's dad got.

That's the one I got too... Was too tempting!

pc8888

join:2011-05-31
estonia

I am new to this.

I am interested in the $39 box. I read that some of you are using vwmare and I am thinking about running ESXi 5.1 on it.

Does it come with ESXi when I place the order?
If not, is there any link out there that show me how to do it?



Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:23
reply to Guspaz

It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.
--
Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org



mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5

said by Guspaz:

It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Actually you can use vSphere on the KS servers but you have to order it with a distro on the list and then do a reinstall. The only caveat is that it's not supported by OVH officially and vSphere doesn't support the software RAID so the disks will be show up independently.

Cyborg994

join:2005-04-18
Montreal, QC
reply to Guspaz

I have been looking into smartos lately, looks very promising, and it's actually an option at OVH. Pretty cool!


pc8888

join:2011-05-31
estonia
reply to Guspaz

said by Guspaz:

It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

$59 bucks, ESXi 5 + 16gb ram + hosting in Canada is still cheaper than everybody else. I like Amazon, but all the clients I have met do not like residing data on US soil. At least not on the paper.

P.S. Amazon EC2 can't do Oracle RAC but it seems like this OVH can handle it. Gotta do more research...

Cyborg994

join:2005-04-18
Montreal, QC
reply to Guspaz

I now have 2 servers there. So far service has been flawless.

Now thinking into renting a 200$+ server there, instead of purchasing a colo machine (3-4k range supermicro) and hosting it at netelligent. They provide enough RAM so it should last me a while, which I cannot say for iWeb or other providers.


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
reply to Guspaz

I ended up with two game servers from OVH. One in Canada and one i France. They both worked good but wanted to consolidate the servers and ended up with Hetzner which seems to have better routing than OVH.ie.



jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON

i can't imagine you'd get better latency to a german provider coming from Canada.


Kin

join:2007-08-23
Ottawa, ON
reply to Guspaz

I had a SP 1 and currently have a KS 1. Pretty awesome. I was so excited to see OVH come to Canada. Its a real game changer for dedicated servers in NA. I had a couple dedicated server in frame, but the latency was really a huge problem. My montreal servers get better latency than my VPSs in NYC and New Jersey, which was previously my gold standard.


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC
reply to jmck

said by jmck:

i can't imagine you'd get better latency to a german provider coming from Canada.

I did, my ping went down 10-15MS from Roubaix DC to Hetzner DC. Hetnzer seems to have better routing.

Hetzner did have a set up fee so that sucked but oh well.


jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON

right, but you know they have a datacenter in Montreal which is the entire point of this thread. it would be almost impossible for you to get lower latency to a server in Germany compared to here in North America.


analog andy

join:2005-01-03
Surrey, BC

Hence why I wrote OVH.ie My routing to OVH.ca was 128+ ms and to Hetzner its 185 still more then playable for my game. Actually most of my EU players also got a better ping from Hetzner then from OVH.ie.


Cyborg994

join:2005-04-18
Montreal, QC
reply to Guspaz

Seems like the latency betwwen OVH Beauharnois and teksavvy is fixed, getting 24 ms now.

I am on Teksavvy Quebec Cable (Videotron network).



rustydusty

join:2009-09-29
Red Deer, AB
reply to Guspaz

Any further updates regarding the service in Montreal? Mostly curious about routes and such incase of possible latency critical applications.



jmck
formerly 'shaded'

join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
Reviews:
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said by rustydusty:

Any further updates regarding the service in Montreal? Mostly curious about routes and such incase of possible latency critical applications.

they peer at TorIX which covers a lot of ISPs in eastern Canada. they also have a nice weather map that not only shows where they peer and where they connect to various tier 1s as well as the current capacity % for each link.

»weathermap.ovh.net/usa

looking at it today, it seems they've recently added a private peer to Rogers as indicated in the weather map tool, they've also been building out their North American capacity quite a bit too in the last 4 months.

DSL_Ricer
Premium
join:2007-07-22
kudos:3

Despite being in Montreal (on Colba), I'm getting routed through torix. So that's adding 24ms to my round trip to OVH. I'm not sure if that's just Colba being cheap or typical routing for Montreal ISPs since it's public IX launched recently.

The other weird thing the trace shows is 9ms going to torix and then 15ms returning to Montreal on OVH's line (each a single hop). You'd think it'd be the same.



martyb

join:2013-05-18
Wemindji, QC

Colba is not on the "public IX"; there is barely anybody there in fact, OVH having chosen to wait and see who would peer there before committing...:

telnet rs-1.qix.ca
Trying 198.179.18.253...
Connected to rs-1.qix.ca (198.179.18.253).
Escape character is '^]'.
RS1.QIX.CA>show ip bgp su
RS1.QIX.CA>show ip bgp summary
BGP router identifier 198.179.18.253, local AS number 55176
BGP table version is 2878, main routing table version 2878
380 network entries using 94240 bytes of memory
380 path entries using 42560 bytes of memory
99/99 BGP path/bestpath attribute entries using 22176 bytes of memory
79 BGP AS-PATH entries using 3692 bytes of memory
7 BGP community entries using 200 bytes of memory
0 BGP route-map cache entries using 0 bytes of memory
0 BGP filter-list cache entries using 0 bytes of memory
BGP using 162868 total bytes of memory
BGP activity 1442/1062 prefixes, 1589/1209 paths, scan interval 60 secs

Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down State/PfxRcd
198.179.18.3 4 46609 67328 74621 2878 0 0 6w4d 15
198.179.18.4 4 21548 12668 12830 2878 0 0 4d02h 343
198.179.18.6 4 22652 0 0 1 0 0 never Active
198.179.18.7 4 29909 0 0 1 0 0 never Idle
198.179.18.8 4 16532 138021 65517 2878 0 0 1w6d 22

I would be curious to see this traceroute?

Hopefully there will be more enthusiasm for QIX over the summer... and it would be nice of OVH to peer there perhaps to foster interest in the Montreal ISP community to themselves be members at QIX as well...


DSL_Ricer
Premium
join:2007-07-22
kudos:3

On OVH's weather map they list QIX. I assume that's the old one?



martyb

join:2013-05-18
Wemindji, QC

that would be surprising since Colba is at last time I knew of it on the old QIX. Therefore your traceroute would go there instead.