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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane? I was under the impression the old qix was just a peering point to risq, and 3rd party to 3rd party wasn't allowed on the exchange. |
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Here's the traceroute. To OVH:
1 heracles.enter-net.com (ZZZ) 35.676 ms 37.753 ms 38.717 ms
2 vip-433.enter-net.com (216.252.64.1) 39.180 ms 41.123 ms 42.596 ms
3 INX-R00-S-166-109.hostlogistic.com (206.125.166.109) 42.579 ms 44.656 ms 46.322 ms
4 INX-R00-S-165-248.hostlogistic.com (206.125.165.248) 46.877 ms 48.258 ms 50.922 ms
5 gw-ovh.torontointernetxchange.net (206.108.34.189) 58.017 ms * *
6 mtl-2-6k.qc.ca (178.32.135.71) 80.823 ms 62.511 ms *
7 bhs-g2-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.7) 62.759 ms * *
8 bhs-2-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.18) 62.708 ms * *
9 XXX (XXX) 68.405 ms 70.351 ms 72.048 ms
From OVH:
1 GGG (GGG) 0.560 ms * *
2 bhs-g2-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.19) 10.952 ms * *
3 mtl-2-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.6) 1.561 ms * *
4 198.27.73.178 (198.27.73.178) 17.574 ms * *
5 10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.chi1.he.NET (206.223.119.37) 17.784 ms 30.211 ms 17.884 ms
6 10gigabitethernet3-3.core1.tor1.he.net (184.105.213.149) 28.110 ms 21.282 ms 25.297 ms
7 10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.ymq1.he.net (184.105.222.94) 35.053 ms 28.276 ms 28.011 ms
8 209.51.161.210 (209.51.161.210) 28.002 ms 209.51.163.50 (209.51.163.50) 27.920 ms 209.51.161.210 (209.51.161.210) 25.428 ms
9 heracles.enter-net.com (ZZZ) 25.698 ms 25.359 ms 25.396 ms
10 YYY (YYY) 60.870 ms 62.803 ms 64.620 ms
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 martyb
join:2013-05-18
Wemindji, QC | reply to DSL_Ricer
negative, original QIX allowed for private peerings to be made between members, the only restriction was that you could not offer transit service on it. As far as I know that same restriction still exists now. Traffic from local ASs were allowed to be exchanged over QIX, whether you used their route server or had a private session.
I never saw OVH at QIX when I was involved with someone who was there, and the membership on the RISQ page does not mention them. |
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join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON
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OVH in Montreal just added some new servers and really nice/cheap 200Mbit options for $79:
»www.ovh.com/ca/en/dedicated-servers/
SP 1 Intel E3-1245v2 4 / 8 3.4 GHz 32 GB 2x 2TB SATA3 $79.
pretty good value on the i3 and i5 on 100Mbit for $39 and $49 too. |
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 creed3020Premium
join:2006-04-26
Kitchener, ON
kudos:2 | Yeah not a bad deal at all. Tag on a bit more to price for Windows and you're good to go.
Do they allow you to install your own Windows Server OS if you have one? |
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Wow, this actually beats their old pricing already! 750 mbit/s for 250$/month.
Dammit I got an MG server a fe weeks ago, I will try to get them to upgrade the badnwith  |
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Nitra
join:2011-09-15
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said by creed3020:Yeah not a bad deal at all. Tag on a bit more to price for Windows and you're good to go.
Do they allow you to install your own Windows Server OS if you have one?
Yes, if you have your own keys.
Select Linux as the OS of choice, once it's deployed, you can enter your license and install Windows. |
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join:2003-08-06
Quebec, QC
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The same server is at 39.99 euro (55 $) in europe (
»www.ovh.com/fr/serveurs_dedies/mini-sp.xml)... They say their cost are highter in Canada... I think this is bullshit just because of the low hydro cost here compared to France. The real reason is they don't have real competitors in North America like they have in Europe. They even have atom server for 2.99 euro! |
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@videotron.ca | said by ohmer:The same server is at 39.99 euro (55 $) in europe (
»www.ovh.com/fr/serveurs_dedies/mini-sp.xml)... They say their cost are highter in Canada... I think this is bullshit just because of the low hydro cost here compared to France. The real reason is they don't have real competitors in North America like they have in Europe. They even have atom server for 2.99 euro!
Didn't someone mention here that Quebeckers can get the Fr pricing? Seem to recall someone mentioning this from around the beginning of this thread. Or maybe it was another topic on OVH? Do they still do this? |
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Nice of OVH, they upgraded my bandwith on my HG server for free, without me asking. 1.5 gb/s is niiice! |
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ohmer
join:2003-08-06
Quebec, QC Reviews:
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said by Hm :said by ohmer:The same server is at 39.99 euro (55 $) in europe (
»www.ovh.com/fr/serveurs_dedies/mini-sp.xml)... They say their cost are highter in Canada... I think this is bullshit just because of the low hydro cost here compared to France. The real reason is they don't have real competitors in North America like they have in Europe. They even have atom server for 2.99 euro!
Didn't someone mention here that Quebeckers can get the Fr pricing? Seem to recall someone mentioning this from around the beginning of this thread. Or maybe it was another topic on OVH? Do they still do this? It was true until recently. I can get a server hosted in France for cheap (except their Kimsufi because they restrict it to EU residents), but if I (or any Europeans) want to host their server at BHS, they have inflated price. |
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jmckformerly 'shaded'
join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON | different areas around the world have different costs, i'm not sure if it's really "inflated". it's still dirt cheap prices for both locations. |
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ohmer
join:2003-08-06
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| They had the same prices before their "server reload".
I think the major cost in running a data center is electricity cost. It's well known that Hydro in Québec cost less than in France. Sure, their is other costs, but i'm sure this doesn't explain a 30% price increase.
Really, the reason is theirs competitors like iweb never decreased their prices since OVH is in Canada. They are still cheaper than theirs competitors even with this price increase. |
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| said by ohmer:Really, the reason is theirs competitors like iweb never decreased their prices since OVH is in Canada. They are still cheaper than theirs competitors even with this price increase.
This. Electricity is cheaper, corporate tax is less, cooling costs are less in Canada. The only thing that could be more expensive is IP transit but overall it should be cheaper to run the dc here. My guess is they're using the higher prices to subsidize the major price drops in the EU where they have competition. It must be OHV's reputation if iWeb, Netelligent, gogax, etc have been able to keep their prices more or less the same. |
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jmckformerly 'shaded'
join:2010-10-02
Ottawa, ON | apparently they're upgrading bandwidth on existing plans to match new plans. so if you had an SP1 or SP2 server that previously had 100Mbit, it will soon have 200Mbit. |
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Nitra
join:2011-09-15
Montreal | They are, I can confirm that my SP1 was upgraded last weekend. |
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said by jmck:apparently they're upgrading bandwidth on existing plans to match new plans. so if you had an SP1 or SP2 server that previously had 100Mbit, it will soon have 200Mbit.
This must be because I got this email from Hetzner where I have my game server.
Dear client,
In addition to the excellent price/performance ratio of our products,
we place particular emphasis on first-class infrastructure.
We are pleased to inform you that with the introduction of the free
1 Gbit/s uplink for the new dedicated root server models, we shall be
gradually making the 200 Mbit/s guaranteed bandwidth available for all
dedicated root server clients.
So that you too will be able to profit from the increased bandwidth for
your existing server, we shall be changing numerous switches over
the coming weeks and months and activating 1 Gbit/s uplinks for all.
We are therefore planning to change the switch for the following servers
in the night from 12. September 2013 23.00 hours (CEST) to
13. September 2013 05.00 hours (CEST) accordingly: |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:20 | reply to Guspaz
Transit costs are vastly different in Europe, where internet exchanges and free peering are enormously more popular...
Besides, compare these prices between iWeb and OVH Canada:
Cheapest server:
iWeb: $89
OVH: $39
Cheapest unmetered:
iWeb (100Mbps): $149
OVH (200 Mbps): $79
If you try to match hardware specs, iWeb comes out to something like 3x the price...
OVH undercuts everybody else in the market by a factor of two or three, and still people complain it's too expensive?
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 pstewartPremium,VIP
join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
kudos:1 | reply to Guspaz
said by Guspaz:Transit costs are vastly different in Europe, where internet exchanges and free peering are enormously more popular...
Transit pricing in metro areas of Canada is pretty much inline anymore. There isn't a major difference like there once was. Peering has never been "free" in Europe - DE-CIX, AMS-IX, LINX etc still cost a fairly hefty amount for 10G ports. Private peering is the most common arrangement still as only x-connects come into play instead of x-connects and exchange port fees - no different than at Canadian locations. One major difference though is the sheer number of large exchange points and the fiber options in metro markets. |
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Anyone got a SP+ server and can gimme their IP to test. I'm just wondering if the KS servers have different bandwidth than the better servers. Having some spikes on new game server and can't pin point the problem. All at once all players show packet loss but I don't see any while doing ping both way me/server. All players see it at the same time. |
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jmckformerly 'shaded'
join:2010-10-02
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| said by analog andy:Anyone got a SP+ server and can gimme their IP to test. I'm just wondering if the KS servers have different bandwidth than the better servers. Having some spikes on new game server and can't pin point the problem. All at once all players show packet loss but I don't see any while doing ping both way me/server. All players see it at the same time.
i run a few teamspeak servers, an hlds2 (tf2 mvm) and others on my SP server and haven't had any packet loss issues except when they had a fibre cut earlier this summer.
i'll message you my IP address which you can run tests on, you should get mtr or winmtr and run it on both to see if there's a difference but i wouldn't think so. you might be on a bad switch/port that's causing issues.
if you can give me yours i'll compare too from here. |
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I have an HG server, as well as 2 SP. I can send you an ip so you can run some tests. |
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Thanks for the IP jmck and yes if you wouldn't mind pming me your ip's Cyborg. Are the KS server or cheaper/more congested switches/network or just port/bandwidth limits. |
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 MarshalPremium
join:2003-11-01
Montreal | The KS servers are not on more congested switch.. there are on the same switch/network than all the rest.. Mainly there is only a bandwidth limit (with 'cheaper' hardware).
If you want to see speedtest from that location, use »proof.ovh.ca. Its a speed test server into the same datacenter.
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K I'm not sure exactly how to trouble shoot this and getting several users to do it at the same time will be difficult.
What happens is I have two different Xonotic servers (two difference installs) running on the box (brand new) What happens is on both servers at the same time all players start showing packet loss for about a second so its either hw/netork related at OVH as the players are all around US/EU and everyone sees it at the same time.
OVH wants reports but doing a quick trace route seems useless as the server will be fine for an hour and then it'll happen once or several times in a say a 20 min time.
Seems MTR might do the trick but I would have to run it for 3000 packets to get an hours worth of reporting? Would I be better running this from my server in Hetzner as my Internet connection is not 100% stable. |
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This is what I got from my house to the server
HOST: Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev
1.|-- www.asusnetwork.net 0.0% 2000 1.1 1.0 1.0 42.9 2.5
2.|-- ??? 100.0 2000 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
3.|-- 69-50-160-1.westerncable. 6.5% 2000 12.8 15.0 9.9 67.1 5.6
4.|-- 69-50-161-2.westerncable. 2.7% 2000 13.4 15.6 10.5 91.6 5.4
5.|-- 66.51.143.33.vrt.2tp.stat 3.8% 2000 14.1 16.3 9.5 235.1 15.1
6.|-- 208.110.96.26.core25668.c 4.0% 2000 26.7 20.5 10.0 202.7 22.1
7.|-- 67.69.228.189 3.5% 2000 11.8 15.0 9.9 53.6 5.2
8.|-- core1-vancouver_POS3-0.ne 3.1% 2000 16.2 16.4 10.9 141.0 7.5
9.|-- core4-vancouver_pos0-0-0. 3.3% 2000 83.0 87.0 79.1 256.9 9.3
10.|-- tcore4-toronto47_POS0-12- 3.9% 2000 89.7 84.0 76.4 188.4 7.0
11.|-- NEWCORE2-CHICAGOCP_so3-0- 3.1% 2000 81.3 85.8 76.7 176.2 10.7
12.|-- bx4-chicagodt_xe0-1-1-0.n 3.4% 2000 85.1 88.3 75.9 236.2 19.0
| `|-- 64.230.186.90
| |-- 64.230.186.255
| |-- 64.230.186.86
| |-- 64.230.186.246
13.|-- eqx.chi.ovh.NET 72.8% 2000 72.2 77.4 66.3 279.9 20.4
14.|-- 198.27.73.179 61.4% 2000 84.2 92.9 81.0 288.4 26.1
15.|-- bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca 3.5% 2000 90.3 89.7 84.4 140.7 5.4
16.|-- bhs-1-6k.qc.ca 16.2% 2000 102.7 122.0 84.1 1089. 103.6
17.|-- ks4003048.ip-142-4-208.ne 3.9% 2000 87.4 89.1 84.0 146.2 5.0
Would using MTR from my box for an hour or two the the closest hop outside of OVH network also work? |
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jmckformerly 'shaded'
join:2010-10-02
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| in your case, it seems you're getting a constant 4% packet loss which is originating from your ISP western cable.
i'll run some MTRs from my side to your server and from my server to yours and see if anything is dropping.
in game packet loss can be different from network packet loss, if there's something eating up all the CPU or IO for a brief moment it could freeze up the server and report that as dropped packets, might be worth looking at your CPU usage too (htop is a good tool) to see if anything is happening on the server when a spike happens. |
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| Hi
CPU usage is about 20-25% for the one server and 13ish % for the other when they are busy. Load level never goes above .3-.5 (i3 CPU) The spikes happen even with CPU levels at %3-5 on each server. Also only things running is lighttpd and vsftp but lighttpd is only used to serve the maps and a few server packages that get downloaded into a cache and never again. VSFTP never really gets used. Bandwidth upload probably never reaches 10-15mbit for both of the servers.
I though maybe the hdd was acting up but I ran some tests and it said there were no issues but I don't know too much about disk checking (its been a while) While watching htop/top there are no changes when the spikes happen. |
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K so I sent this to OVH »142.4.208.127/ovh-mtr-reports.txt and they say alls good, my problem.
Now I don't quite understand MTR but my server shows packet loss on all of the test which are from three different locations. From reading most of the other PL can be ignored. |
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