 milnoc join:2001-03-05 H3B kudos:2 | reply to hm
Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane? The advantage we have in Canada is that infringement has to be at the very least clearly demonstrated before anything can be taken down.
Isohunt however is in a very grey area since, while they don't host the files listed in the Torrents, they do make it very easy for someone to retrieve these files by making available the torrent file itself, or in the case of The Pirate Bay, a magnet link.
Then again, so does Google. For example, Google "Skyfall Torrent", and many Torrent links show up, the first one being...
Isohunt.  -- Watch my future television channel's public test broadcast! »thecanadianpublic.com/live |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20 | reply to Guspaz
Except boingboing.net is a .net address, which is managed by Verisign, which is a US company. That puts all of boingboing under US jurisdiction, inasmuch as a DMCA takedown to Verisign can get boingboing.net suspended.
They could move to a different domain, but this is just an example of how you can't really escape the US' grasp quite so simply. -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org |
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Listen anyone can go after your domain instead of your site and where it's being served from. That even happened to Jon Newton over at p2pnet.net w/ godaddy during his lawsuit and when someone tried to take over his domain on BS.
There are possibilities for everything.
Teksavvy could go after you for libel and/or defamation and do the same thing to you here, instead of using a DMCA.
DMCA, in Canada, is the least of your worries.
Best not to have anything online if everything scares you away. |
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 brad join:2007-09-06 Etobicoke, ON | reply to milnoc
said by milnoc:said by brad:They're not in Canada. If I wanted to colo in the US there are plenty of other options I'm already aware of. With the DMCA in the States, I would never consider colo there. I have other reasons other than the DMCA for keeping my stuff here. One of them being better latency to my system. But in general I have no interest in putting anything in the US. |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20 | reply to Guspaz
Looks like it's launched. Their English sites now have all the packages:
»www.ovh.com/ca/en/dedicated-servers/ »www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/
Also they're having an "end of the world" sale, 50% of the first month. -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org |
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 creed3020Premium join:2006-04-26 Kitchener, ON kudos:2 | I still can't get over those prices for the amount of base hardware in those systems. Their base amount of RAM and HDD space is well above the industry standard. Only specials/sales from other competitor get you into the same ballpark. |
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 olesz join:2007-02-19 Toronto, ON | reply to Guspaz
If anyone hasn't bought a server from OVH yet right now is looking like a good time to try it out.
They have a 50% off deal for the first month.
»www.ovh.com/us/apocalypse-deal/ |
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 Guru join:2008-10-01 kudos:2 | Do we still have to provide proof of address? |
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 | said by Guru:Do we still have to provide proof of address? I did at kimsufi.ie, but not at ovh.com/ca
Also ovh.com/ca allows PayPal, unlike kimsufi.ie! |
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| said by Ree:said by Guru:Do we still have to provide proof of address? I did at kimsufi.ie, but not at ovh.com/ca Also ovh.com/ca allows PayPal, unlike kimsufi.ie! Good to know, thanks for the info! |
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Hehe : OVH cannot be held responsible if the end of the world be posponed.
Good one!
Good offer as well, leaves time for migration at reasonable cost. |
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In regards to the ssh public key that the admins use to get into the machine in times of support, I suppose the answer is to move the file elsewhere, and move it back when you need their support? Any other ways? |
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 | said by DannyBoyOhBo :In regards to the ssh public key that the admins use to get into the machine in times of support, I suppose the answer is to move the file elsewhere, and move it back when you need their support? Any other ways? That would work...except when the reason you're contacting them for support is because you've locked yourself out, so you're unable to move the file back! |
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 julienvf join:2008-12-30 Verdun, QC kudos:1 Reviews:
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BTW, just got a promo email from them for Kimsufi servers in Beauharnois. 119 Euros per year (just cost me 157.35 CAD) for intel Atom 1.8ghz, 4gb ram, 2tb storage, 100mbps/5tb transfer per month (unmeterred after 5tb, speed is throttled to 10mbps). That's 13.11$/month for a VPS!!
»www.kimsufi.com/fr/bons_plans/index.xml |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20 | reply to Guspaz
That's not a VPS. It's a dedicated server. |
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 MJimLayAKA FlexBaudPremium join:2004-10-06 Pensacola, FL kudos:2 | reply to Guspaz
Are these prices USD or CAN? |
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 | If you order from ovh.com/ca/en (or ovh.com/ca/fr) then CAD, if you order from ovh.com/us, then it's USD. |
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 MJimLayAKA FlexBaudPremium join:2004-10-06 Pensacola, FL kudos:2 | said by Ree:If you order from ovh.com/ca/en (or ovh.com/ca/fr) then CAD, if you order from ovh.com/us, then it's USD. Excellent. Thanks. I'm also signed up on ovh.ie and can get some dedicated servers for $12ish a month but would be over sea's and lower specs. |
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 julienvf join:2008-12-30 Verdun, QC kudos:1 | Actually, I was looking on that website and nowhere I could find the Aton D425 base kimsufi server. Looks like it's only on their european website. On top of the 119 Euros/year offer, I wasn't charged any sales taxes.. |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20 | reply to Guspaz
ovh.ie does have an Atom D425 model with lower specs than the special-offer, but it's not available at BHS.
ovh.ca (or the US one) do not have any KS models that low (starts at an i3).
The special offer (with the Atom D425) is available at the BHS datacenter, but only from the France site.
OVH's pricing is great, but their offerings are a huge mess. It doesn't make sense that they have so many different websites that have different offers. The cheapest deal in the Canadian datacenter is only available on the France site, for example.
OVH should have one single website globally, where you select your country (for currency/language), with ALL offers available on the one site, dependent only on datacenter availability... -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org |
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Nevermind when your on ovh.ie, and the manager is in french even though you set it to english (witch actually doesnt work)
also at .ie because the atom ks boxes arent available |
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 creed3020Premium join:2006-04-26 Kitchener, ON kudos:2 | reply to Guspaz
Agreed. They could learn a thing or two from SoftLayer here. A first time visitor to their websites I left more confused than before I went to them. I don't believe that is the object of an website trying to sell your a service. |
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| I'm seeing terrible performance sending data from OVH to TSI at peak time. There's nothing too strange in the traceroute/mtr and I've opened a ticket with OVH and they started to look into it. I'm still trying to get the issue escalated at TSI but so far it's been stuck in first level support for a few days while they try and confirm it.
And by terrible, i mean 3-5Mbit/sec, off-peak it seems to be fine. It's also pretty much amazing to all my other users/customers off different ISPs (Rogers, Comcast, Start). For TSI/OVH the path is going through TorIX. |
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That may help you decide where the bottleneck is. |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20 | reply to Guspaz
TSI has been having performance issues at peak time in general, are you sure this is related to OVH rather than a TSI problem?
The issue at last report was that Bell was traffic-limiting TSI's AHSSPI links, causing them to become congested.
EDIT: OVH does seem to have congestion on some links, though. They've overloaded their Newark to Ashburn link, and their Palo Alto to KDDI link. -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org |
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 jmckformerly 'shaded' join:2010-10-02 Ottawa, ON | being that I don't manage OVH or TSI's network, I have no real idea where the issue is. It's why I've escalated the issue to OVH and am trying to escalate it to TSI.
And ya, the weathermap doesn't show saturation at all. |
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You can get this at BHS
»www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/kim···tion.xml |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC kudos:20 | That's still a european site, so doesn't really change much... It's still the situation of a sale at the North American datacenter that is only available on the European sites... -- Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org |
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said by Guspaz:I haven't seen anybody discuss this anywhere else (even WHT), but it seems that OVH's datacenter in Beauharnois is starting general availability. Confusingly, their French and English sites have completely different offerings. Looks like the English site is from the beta and the French site is the new one. Maybe they just haven't finished the English one yet?
Observe:
»www.ovh.com/ca/fr/
versus:
»www.ovh.com/ca/en/
Anyhow, I was looking at their pricing, and it made me do a spit take:
$39/dual core i3-2310/8GB RAM/2x1TB HDD/5TB transfer, after which 10mbit unmetered $49/dual core i3-2310/16GB RAM/2x1TB HDD/5TB transfer, after which 10mbit unmetered $59/quad core i5-3570S/16GB RAM/2x2TB HDD/1gbit unmetered in, 100mbit unmetered out
o_O That's basically $0.059 per megabit inbound or $0.59 per megabit outbound. They also have a server where you buy increments of 100 megabit for $129 per month, so that's a bit less insane.
So, umm, this is going to shake up the Canadian (and American) hosting markets something fierce... And it'll be interesting to see what sort of impact we get on general transit pricing in eastern Canada considering OVH must be getting providers to bring in hundreds or thousands of gigabits of transit to Montreal (this is to be the largest datacenter in the world with 360k servers when full).
EDIT: Regarding bandwidth, OVH has about 2 terabits of transit worldwide, they currently have 120k servers, the Montreal datacenter has a capacity of 360k servers, so assuming per-server bandwidth usage never changes (unlikely) eventually their Montreal datacenter would consume 6-8 terabits per second of transit. That's a lot of bandwidth to bring into Montreal...
EDIT: Or maybe not. They've currently deployed 100 gigabit DWDM equipment, so they can put up to 8.8 terabits on a single fibre strand. So no massive fibre build in Montreal, I guess :P befor ei read all that let me ask you why on earth would i host with ovh with voltage trolls trying to harrass users...ovh is just as likely to slip stuff in and or monitor you....
ive resold for these guys and had 80 servers rented inside a 2 month period and i htink that world wide they ahve more bandwidth then they claim.... 2 terabits is 2000 gigabits or 2,000,000 megabits thats 20000 - 100 megabit seedboxes right? well then you think of gigabit servers and possibly 100-200 of those going number seems low....but it wont be growing it will in fact decrease as time goes on and the noose tightens on file sharing...
it will get to point were we are back to the FXP era of just hacking in and taking or putting stuff in places and tax man and corporations get zero dollars.... enjoy all this push to vpns will be a laugh when they make it law you have to hand over all your encryption keys...to authorities that seem bent on getting filesharing...
this is why you if your into all this get what you could to go on and live without all of it and know that in time and it wont take till the end of obama's reign of economic terror to become reality. |
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said by TigerLord:Currently paying 75$/month for something that is half as good.
Wow!
I'll be moving over there! its in canada and if voltage wins this case against teksavvy you won't want to be putting a creditcard with you real name into renting anything in canada OR the usa.
if laws were more favourable i could bring them 80-100 clients paying me 15$ extra on top of there rates /month.... but im not bothering as i dont see serving and the isp business in canada or usa as neither stable or risk free. |
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