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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 12 Jun 2013 10:03:11 EDT

martyb posted : negative, original QIX allowed for private peerings to be made between members, the only restriction was that you could not offer transit service on it. As far as I know that same restriction still exists now. Traffic from local ASs were allowed to be exchanged over QIX, whether you used their route server or had a private session.

I never saw OVH at QIX when I was involved with someone who was there, and the membership on the RISQ page does not mention them.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 12 Jun 2013 08:39:10 EDT

DSL_Ricer posted : Here's the traceroute. To OVH:

 1  heracles.enter-net.com (ZZZ)  35.676 ms  37.753 ms  38.717 ms 2  vip-433.enter-net.com (216.252.64.1)  39.180 ms  41.123 ms  42.596 ms 3  INX-R00-S-166-109.hostlogistic.com (206.125.166.109)  42.579 ms  44.656 ms  46.322 ms 4  INX-R00-S-165-248.hostlogistic.com (206.125.165.248)  46.877 ms  48.258 ms  50.922 ms 5  gw-ovh.torontointernetxchange.net (206.108.34.189)  58.017 ms * * 6  mtl-2-6k.qc.ca (178.32.135.71)  80.823 ms  62.511 ms * 7  bhs-g2-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.7)  62.759 ms * * 8  bhs-2-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.18)  62.708 ms * * 9  XXX (XXX)  68.405 ms  70.351 ms  72.048 ms

From OVH:

 1  GGG (GGG)  0.560 ms * * 2  bhs-g2-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.19)  10.952 ms * * 3  mtl-2-6k.qc.ca (198.27.73.6)  1.561 ms * * 4  198.27.73.178 (198.27.73.178)  17.574 ms * * 5  10gigabitethernet4-1.core1.chi1.he.NET (206.223.119.37)  17.784 ms  30.211 ms  17.884 ms 6  10gigabitethernet3-3.core1.tor1.he.net (184.105.213.149)  28.110 ms  21.282 ms  25.297 ms 7  10gigabitethernet1-1.core1.ymq1.he.net (184.105.222.94)  35.053 ms  28.276 ms  28.011 ms 8  209.51.161.210 (209.51.161.210)  28.002 ms 209.51.163.50 (209.51.163.50)  27.920 ms 209.51.161.210 (209.51.161.210)  25.428 ms 9  heracles.enter-net.com (ZZZ)  25.698 ms  25.359 ms  25.396 ms10  YYY (YYY)  60.870 ms  62.803 ms  64.620 ms

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:58:30 EDT

DSL_Ricer posted : I was under the impression the old qix was just a peering point to risq, and 3rd party to 3rd party wasn't allowed on the exchange.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:38:31 EDT

martyb posted : that would be surprising since Colba is at last time I knew of it on the old QIX. Therefore your traceroute would go there instead.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 11 Jun 2013 15:26:40 EDT

DSL_Ricer posted : On OVH's weather map they list QIX. I assume that's the old one?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:26:38 EDT

martyb posted : Colba is not on the "public IX"; there is barely anybody there in fact, OVH having chosen to wait and see who would peer there before committing...:

telnet rs-1.qix.ca
Trying 198.179.18.253...
Connected to rs-1.qix.ca (198.179.18.253).
Escape character is '^]'.
RS1.QIX.CA>show ip bgp su
RS1.QIX.CA>show ip bgp summary
BGP router identifier 198.179.18.253, local AS number 55176
BGP table version is 2878, main routing table version 2878
380 network entries using 94240 bytes of memory
380 path entries using 42560 bytes of memory
99/99 BGP path/bestpath attribute entries using 22176 bytes of memory
79 BGP AS-PATH entries using 3692 bytes of memory
7 BGP community entries using 200 bytes of memory
0 BGP route-map cache entries using 0 bytes of memory
0 BGP filter-list cache entries using 0 bytes of memory
BGP using 162868 total bytes of memory
BGP activity 1442/1062 prefixes, 1589/1209 paths, scan interval 60 secs

Neighbor V AS MsgRcvd MsgSent TblVer InQ OutQ Up/Down State/PfxRcd
198.179.18.3 4 46609 67328 74621 2878 0 0 6w4d 15
198.179.18.4 4 21548 12668 12830 2878 0 0 4d02h 343
198.179.18.6 4 22652 0 0 1 0 0 never Active
198.179.18.7 4 29909 0 0 1 0 0 never Idle
198.179.18.8 4 16532 138021 65517 2878 0 0 1w6d 22

I would be curious to see this traceroute?

Hopefully there will be more enthusiasm for QIX over the summer... and it would be nice of OVH to peer there perhaps to foster interest in the Montreal ISP community to themselves be members at QIX as well...

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:53:52 EDT

DSL_Ricer posted : Despite being in Montreal (on Colba), I'm getting routed through torix. So that's adding 24ms to my round trip to OVH. I'm not sure if that's just Colba being cheap or typical routing for Montreal ISPs since it's public IX launched recently.

The other weird thing the trace shows is 9ms going to torix and then 15ms returning to Montreal on OVH's line (each a single hop). You'd think it'd be the same.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 11 Jun 2013 03:03:17 EDT

jmck posted :

said by rustydusty:

Any further updates regarding the service in Montreal? Mostly curious about routes and such incase of possible latency critical applications.

they peer at TorIX which covers a lot of ISPs in eastern Canada. they also have a nice weather map that not only shows where they peer and where they connect to various tier 1s as well as the current capacity % for each link.

»weathermap.ovh.net/usa

looking at it today, it seems they've recently added a private peer to Rogers as indicated in the weather map tool, they've also been building out their North American capacity quite a bit too in the last 4 months.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 11 Jun 2013 02:31:15 EDT

rustydusty posted : Any further updates regarding the service in Montreal? Mostly curious about routes and such incase of possible latency critical applications.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Fri, 07 Jun 2013 09:51:22 EDT

Cyborg994 posted : Seems like the latency betwwen OVH Beauharnois and teksavvy is fixed, getting 24 ms now.

I am on Teksavvy Quebec Cable (Videotron network).

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Fri, 07 Jun 2013 02:42:56 EDT

analog andy posted : Hence why I wrote OVH.ie My routing to OVH.ca was 128+ ms and to Hetzner its 185 still more then playable for my game. Actually most of my EU players also got a better ping from Hetzner then from OVH.ie.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Fri, 07 Jun 2013 02:25:56 EDT

jmck posted : right, but you know they have a datacenter in Montreal which is the entire point of this thread. it would be almost impossible for you to get lower latency to a server in Germany compared to here in North America.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Fri, 07 Jun 2013 00:33:32 EDT

analog andy posted :

said by jmck:

i can't imagine you'd get better latency to a german provider coming from Canada.

I did, my ping went down 10-15MS from Roubaix DC to Hetzner DC. Hetnzer seems to have better routing.

Hetzner did have a set up fee so that sucked but oh well.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 05 Jun 2013 10:43:48 EDT

Kin posted : I had a SP 1 and currently have a KS 1. Pretty awesome. I was so excited to see OVH come to Canada. Its a real game changer for dedicated servers in NA. I had a couple dedicated server in frame, but the latency was really a huge problem. My montreal servers get better latency than my VPSs in NYC and New Jersey, which was previously my gold standard.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:37:18 EDT

jmck posted : i can't imagine you'd get better latency to a german provider coming from Canada.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 04 Jun 2013 11:20:05 EDT

analog andy posted : I ended up with two game servers from OVH. One in Canada and one i France. They both worked good but wanted to consolidate the servers and ended up with Hetzner which seems to have better routing than OVH.ie.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Mon, 03 Jun 2013 14:55:59 EDT

Cyborg994 posted : I now have 2 servers there. So far service has been flawless.

Now thinking into renting a 200$+ server there, instead of purchasing a colo machine (3-4k range supermicro) and hosting it at netelligent. They provide enough RAM so it should last me a while, which I cannot say for iWeb or other providers.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 02 May 2013 10:39:40 EDT

pc8888 posted :

said by Guspaz:

It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

$59 bucks, ESXi 5 + 16gb ram + hosting in Canada is still cheaper than everybody else. I like Amazon, but all the clients I have met do not like residing data on US soil. At least not on the paper.

P.S. Amazon EC2 can't do Oracle RAC but it seems like this OVH can handle it. Gotta do more research...

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 01 May 2013 21:39:10 EDT

Cyborg994 posted : I have been looking into smartos lately, looks very promising, and it's actually an option at OVH. Pretty cool!

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:25:29 EDT

mlerner posted :

said by Guspaz:

Actually you can use vSphere on the KS servers but you have to order it with a distro on the list and then do a reinstall. The only caveat is that it's not supported by OVH officially and vSphere doesn't support the software RAID so the disks will be show up independently.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:33:27 EDT

Guspaz posted : It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:57:03 EDT

pc8888 posted : I am new to this.

I am interested in the $39 box. I read that some of you are using vwmare and I am thinking about running ESXi 5.1 on it.

Does it come with ESXi when I place the order?
If not, is there any link out there that show me how to do it?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:52:16 EDT

julienvf posted :

said by Guspaz:

said by analog andy:

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

It really is. Every other major incumbent ISP in Ontario/Quebec and many more eastern ones peer at TorIX. Rogers, Videotron, Cogeco, Bell Aliant, Eastlink, Shaw... Even some American incumbents peer, like Frontier and AT&T... Admittedly, some like AT&T and Videotron are no longer actively peering despite their connection (Videotron to TekSavvy goes through Limelight), although for this specific case Videotron peers directly with OVH.

said by analog andy:

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

You missed the better deal, where they had Atom servers (which still had huge bandwidth and hard drives) in Montreal selling for 119 euros per year. That's what DSL_Ricer's dad got.

That's the one I got too... Was too tempting!

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:20:01 EDT

Guspaz posted :

said by analog andy:

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

said by analog andy:

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

You missed the better deal, where they had Atom servers (which still had huge bandwidth and hard drives) in Montreal selling for 119 euros per year. That's what DSL_Ricer's dad got.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:02:54 EDT

analog andy posted :

said by Guspaz:

Fair enough (I was going by their headquarters connection), but the majority of your problems seem to be your own connection, since you have what appears to be basically 43ms + of first-hop latency. And the extra latency to OVH seems to be entirely a factor of Bell Canada refusing to peer at TorIX, forcing the connection to take a detour. Bell's arrogance and intransigence is turning the ~550km trip from Montreal to Toronto into a 2200km trip. Bell's self-absorbed peering policies are adding 1700 kilometers to the journey.

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:33:15 EDT

mlerner posted : Might I add Rogers has fantastic peering through TorIX. :) Always low latency to my OVH servers.

Tracing route to 8.7.244.2 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 8 ms 8 ms 6 ms 7.41.204.1
3 27 ms 23 ms 14 ms 24.156.149.97
4 17 ms 14 ms 14 ms 69.63.250.218
5 14 ms 13 ms 12 ms 69.63.248.190
6 30 ms * 14 ms gw-ovh.torontointernetxchange.net [206.108.34.18
9]
7 21 ms * 23 ms mtl-2-6k.qc.ca [178.32.135.71]
8 * 22 ms * bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.5]
9 21 ms * * bhs-1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.12]
10 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms 8.7.244.2

Trace complete.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:23:26 EDT

Guspaz posted : Fair enough (I was going by their headquarters connection), but the majority of your problems seem to be your own connection, since you have what appears to be basically 43ms + of first-hop latency. And the extra latency to OVH seems to be entirely a factor of Bell Canada refusing to peer at TorIX, forcing the connection to take a detour. Bell's arrogance and intransigence is turning the ~550km trip from Montreal to Toronto into a 2200km trip. Bell's self-absorbed peering policies are adding 1700 kilometers to the journey.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:05:04 EDT

analog andy posted :

said by Guspaz:

Netelligent is still 1000 km closer to you than Montreal...

Seriously, look at a map. Latency scales with geographic distance.

My old Netelligent dedi server and shared account are both in Montreal.

OVH

1 4 ms 3 ms 5 ms 192.168.0.1
2 70 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
3 90 ms 44 ms 45 ms zz20920586075.cipherkey.net [209.205.86.75]
4 43 ms 44 ms 45 ms xx208110096019.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.19]
5 44 ms 43 ms 44 ms xx208110096090.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.90]
6 43 ms 44 ms 43 ms 67.69.228.189
7 44 ms 47 ms 43 ms core2-vancouver_POS3-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.248.6
1]
8 111 ms 112 ms 110 ms core4-vancouver_pos0-0-1.net.bell.ca [64.230.183
.38]
9 114 ms 115 ms 113 ms tcore4-toronto12_POS0-8-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.
147.209]
10 112 ms 112 ms 113 ms newcore2-chicago23_so2-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.1
47.174]
11 110 ms 110 ms 111 ms bx5-chicagodt_xe0-1-0_0 [64.230.186.255]
12 110 ms * * eqx.chi.ovh.net [206.223.119.152]
13 131 ms 129 ms 128 ms 198.27.73.173
14 * 127 ms 127 ms bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.5]
15 207 ms 251 ms 212 ms bhs-1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.12]
16 129 ms 129 ms 129 ms 8.7.244.2

Netelligent

1 3 ms 4 ms 4 ms 192.168.0.1
2 81 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
3 47 ms 48 ms 58 ms zz20920586075.cipherkey.net [209.205.86.75]
4 43 ms 46 ms 44 ms xx208110096019.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.19]
5 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms xx208110096026.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.26]
6 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms 67.69.228.189
7 106 ms 107 ms 108 ms core2-vancouver_POS3-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.248.6
1]
8 106 ms 105 ms 104 ms core4-vancouver_pos0-0-1.net.bell.ca [64.230.183
.38]
9 110 ms 110 ms 107 ms tcore4-toronto47_POS0-12-1-0.net.bell.ca [64.230
.147.193]
10 106 ms 107 ms 107 ms 64.230.147.129
11 114 ms 109 ms 113 ms tcore3-montreal02_POS0-7-0-0_core.net.bell.ca [6
4.230.168.97]
12 108 ms 105 ms 105 ms agg1-montreal02_xe5-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.170.
242]
13 104 ms 106 ms 105 ms dis53-montreal02_5-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.169.1
70]
14 106 ms 105 ms 107 ms 67.69.244.158
15 111 ms 110 ms 111 ms 209.44.125.160
16 105 ms 106 ms 105 ms todd.dnsprive.com [209.44.106.221]

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:15:20 EDT

Guspaz posted : Netelligent is still 1000 km closer to you than Montreal...

Seriously, look at a map. Latency scales with geographic distance.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:39:19 EDT

analog andy posted :

said by Guspaz:

Routing? No, more like Denver is a fraction the distance from BC as compared to Montreal... Surrey to Denver is ~2,300 km, while Surrey to Montreal is ~4,500 km.

In terms of latency, I pinged DSL_Ricer's father's OVH box from my Montreal TekSavvy connection and got a stable 21ms. It went through TorIX. The lower latency is probably due to being on VDSL2 (which has lower first-hop latency).

Odd as my ping to a server at Netelligent has always been in the 70's and to OVH its in the 90/100's even NFOservers NY is in the 90's/100's.

I just need a cheap game server, $39 is a crazy price. I guess I could get two different ones East (OVH) and West (VPS NFO Seattle) then use the OVH one to host the map files.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:42:42 EDT

Guspaz posted : Routing? No, more like Denver is a fraction the distance from BC as compared to Montreal... Surrey to Denver is ~2,300 km, while Surrey to Montreal is ~4,500 km.

In terms of latency, I pinged DSL_Ricer's father's OVH box from my Montreal TekSavvy connection and got a stable 21ms. It went through TorIX. The lower latency is probably due to being on VDSL2 (which has lower first-hop latency).
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 07:33:14 EDT

julienvf posted : I get about 24-25ms ping from Montr�al but traffic is routed through torix (Toronto back and forth).

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 03:58:30 EDT

analog andy posted : I was going to get one of their $39 servers for hosting a game but the ping was quite a bit slower (93-120ms) from Surrey to OVH (proof.ovh.ca) vs Surrey to Denver (VPS NFOserversms) (64-98ms)

I guess the routing is more efficient to the Denver location vs going through Canada?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:13:27 EDT

green92 posted : OVH service is pretty good. They may have the biggest data center on Earth now in Montreal. If only they could provide VoIP and internet in Canada as they do in France that would be a awesome!
I pay only 1.18 euro/month for unlimited calls to 100+ countries.
And could shake our beloved canadian ISPs that rip us all !

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:50:28 EDT

Ree posted :

said by funny:

And why do you assume he ordered from the EU site to avoid taxes? If you'd looked into things before making your accusation, you would know it's much more likely that he ordered from the EU site because it is the only one that sells that particular server.

The CA site sells the mid to high-end Kimsufi servers, the EU site currently has a special offering one of the low-end Kimsufi servers.

said by hm :

Read further up that some people have a very poor response times to their servers. Was this limited to TSI users? Is it fixed now? Shaw, Telus and Cogeco land have no issues?

I've only seen a TekSavvy user report it, but it's entirely possible that other ISPs are affected and their users just aren't noticing/reporting it.

All is well with Rogers though -- backing up my ESXi VMs via rsync maxes the 100mbit connection.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:40:23 EDT

anon posted :

said by Ree:

said by hm :

So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?

I don't think you'll find a better bang for your buck. I've been using them for several months and no beefs yet.

I think the real test will be the first time something dies like a hard-drive and I have to wait for support to fix it. I've heard stories going both ways -- some say replacement was quick and easy, others have said it was a nightmare procedure.

I take lots of backups and don't host anything mission-critical, so even nightmare support wouldn't be such a big deal in my case so that's why I'm with them. Yay or Nay is entirely dependent on your particular situation though.

TY for the response, Ree.

About routing...

Read further up that some people have a very poor response times to their servers. Was this limited to TSI users? Is it fixed now? Shaw, Telus and Cogeco land have no issues?

Anyone know?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:21:29 EDT

funny posted :

said by Ree:

said by funny:

funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did.

I'd love to hear your explanation of how that is tax avoidance and/or evasion.

if you buy a service and are supposed to pay a taxes on it and AVOID OR EVADE them by skirting rules or finding a technicality of location know this...there actually is a law on the books to catch pedobears that is in effect ...what a canuck does on the net OUR LAWS APPLY....thus if your buying internet server from ovh and its located in canada but using a site in EU and evading taxes if they really wanted to come sideways at you they could for it....it also ina future of any issue you have be just something else they add on you to make you look even worse in front of any judge.

OH and trust me they will be far quicker at closing loopholes for small fry then big corporate types that use the nation of belize to launder money....( where was it helena and jaffer vacationed again?)

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:17:47 EDT

funny posted :

said by Guspaz:

What a funny guy? Rogers and Videotron combined are roughly 2 million broadband subs between them, and Canada has roughly 10 million in total. Those two ISPs alone are 20% of all broadband subs, not a bad start for direct peering... If they can get peering with Bell, that would take them up to 50% right there.

by subs you mean users subscribers WRONG in 2006 sandvine came up with 24 million accounts and 5.4 million p2p users at one time and 4 months later it jumped to 9.8 million see a trend....
anyhow cant tell on validity BUT last september CBC ran some internet article saying we had 21 million net users. lost 3 million since caps were introduced....
thats a lot of revenue they lost for being silly
take bell
both me and my dad have dropped them ( ONLY what tsi gives them is what they get now )
so you get a tv /phone loss on my dads side and phone and net loss to whatever tsi gives them.

no wonder they THINK THEY NEED caps now....they screwed themsleves for customers and its a need fer greed issue.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:12:51 EDT

funny posted :

said by julienvf:

said by Guru:

said by julienvf:

I didn't get charged any taxes on the 119 euros yearly plan...

I bought a $39 server from OVH.ca today and got charged tax.

Yea, you bought it on the .ca domain while I got mine on the EU site.

so your admitting to tax evasion? oh my...

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:48:43 EDT

Ree posted :

said by hm :

So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:12:11 EDT

anon posted : So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:16:29 EDT

Satya posted : in p2p world..the reasons are unlimited..if that is not your need..then you pick the datacenter that will give you the best routing to your location

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:50:42 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by Guspaz:

Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?

Dunno. But they might pick the Irish datacentre to establish a 'legal' presence in Ireland for their Netherlands Antillies operations.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:48:03 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by rednekcowboy:

Aren't Rogers and Videotron owned by the same conglamorate/are sister companies? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but can't find it now...

No, they aren't.

But they were roommates at the "School of Customer Gouging".

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:02:30 EDT

jmck posted : I'm sorry but i have several customers that use my services hosted on OVH including all over the US (using comcast, verizon FIOS, cox.net) and a few here (rogers, videotron, start.ca) and they all are able to mostly saturate their lines.

TSI seems to be the one exception even with a private peer setup last week.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:55:13 EDT

julienvf posted :

said by Guspaz:

Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?

I was gonna ask the same thing. If you want to see how dl speed would be from their european datacenter, simply try a speedtest from www.ovh.net which is in France.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:09:30 EDT

Guspaz posted : Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:48:16 EDT

Satya posted : I have been renting servers with OVH since 2006. Before they allowed only French citizens and countries with official languages as French to buy on their site www.ovh.com Montreal was part of that and the only province in Canada to be able to order directly. Otherwise you needed a french address and a french credit card number.

OVH was cheap at that point too offering 100mbit unmetered servers for 40-50 euros a month. They became really popular and were able to grow massively partly because of their pricing which lured all p2p users to rent their servers as "seedboxes". Resellers who were able to order form france were selling servers at a good 20 euros premium making them very profitable.

Seeing their business boom rapidly, they were able to internalize all their operations from building their own datacenters, to eco friendly electricity generation, build their own servers from scratch, own land and property rather than lease. All these business deals made them pass their savings to customers on their lower range of the servers.

However, OVH is not premium routing. If you download using a single thread and you are in Canada, you will get around 200-300KB/sec tops. Compare that to someone like softlayer.nl or nforce.nl or other premium providers you will see the difference. But NOONE can touch ovh on the budget range and that has what made them popular.

You can still order servers from www.ovh.ie and rent their servers and have a choice of the datacenter you want to pick. Most pick RBX which is roubaix in france and strasbourg is their relatively newer one in europe.

You can check the network map that OVH has from here ->

»weathermap.ovh.net

You can register on their forums here -> »forums.ovh.co.uk

You can check the status of their network issues, their work in progress on various datacenters, router issues, outages here

--> »status.ovh.net

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:57:28 EDT

rednekcowboy posted : Aren't Rogers and Videotron owned by the same conglamorate/are sister companies? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but can't find it now...

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:48:03 EDT

Ree posted :

said by funny:

funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did.

I'd love to hear your explanation of how that is tax avoidance and/or evasion.