so that you have a choice of buying their services at the same (or more) cost.

Once again I would ask that you try and understand what was said, what was actually written, and maybe trying to understand it all.

BZZZT wrong again. The indies will not be "keeping" any money. Instead, if you read what one here has said, they've priced their services based on the expected cost adjustments in the CBB R&V. There's no money to "keep" when you're already operating at a loss.

BZZZT wrong again.

If we review what was said here, the next cost review (the big one) will have no impact on the end user who are over-paying as well. The so called indi's stated they will keep any money, and not reduce costs.
So this is your answer for these releases, and for the next big cost decrease coming. You are to remain happy that prices won't go down and just be happy you can buy a bell reseller. :uhh:

Guys guys. "Idiots" read this forum too. Can someone summarize this in idiot terms? :p

Guys guys. "Idiots" read this forum too. Can someone summarize this in idiot terms? :p

Wow I missed those in the bottom section. This stuff is sure written in such a way that 90% of the good content can be missed completely. A mandate to switch to plain language would do the Canadian public a lot of good.

Gosh Rogers has a freaking off the chart markup on time estimates. That is plain scary.

Rogers did the same thing.

Appendix

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Table 1
#9
Commission adjustment
Exclude these costs

Rationale for adjustment
Refer to paragraphs 29 and 31. Documentation and filing activities should already be included in other CSG activities, not as a separate and distinct activity.

Table 2
#10
Commission adjustment
Calculate proposed time estimates by assuming 1.5 interfaces per order on average, assume proposed costs are order-driven, and reduce calculated time estimate by 60%.

#13
Commission adjustment
Calculate proposed time estimates by assuming 1.5 interfaces per order on average and reduce recalculated total time estimate by 73%

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However, I am thinking prices will decrease across the board for all of them. As the CRTC already pointed out, all the players are gaming the system with inflated costs and made up labour costs (ie 70% overboard!) that does not reflect reality, and no one can argue their costs since no one was allowed to see them.

Does one point of interconnect give Start the whole of cogeco's Quebec and Ontario foot print? Last I read, the answer was no. Unless this has now been addressed.

Rogers did not have aggregated. It was mandated to do this over time. And now they are ready for it after X-years in the works.

Well that exactly what I was getting at (as shown if you quote the whole thing and not selectively cherry-pick).

And the penalties for NOT complying are what exactly?
Most likely the incumbent CEO being forced to stand at a bar in Yellowknife and being forced to buy shots for any CRTC commissioner who shows up between 6:00pm to 6:01pm each Thursday there is a full moon from today through to next Friday - would be my guess.

Firstly, the CRTC has set a maximum amount of time that incumbents are allowed to take for capacity increases, so incumbents can no longer drag their feet for months and months with no promised install date in site. Non-complex requests are now required to be completed within 15 business days, and complex requests within 60 business days.

I think Rogers is currently charging $1200/100Mbit/s ($12000/Gbit/s), Videotron is charging $1900/100Mbit/s ($19000/Gbit/s), Bell charges about $2200/100Mbit/s ($22000/Gbit/s), and Cogeco charges about $2800/100Mbit/s ($28000/Gbit/s).
Now, with that in mind, and if I remember right, didn't Videotron later file asking to charge an insane $4500/100Mbit/s ($45000/Gbit/s)? I don't know about Robellco, but I wouldn't be surprised if they asked for double their current rates. I'm hoping for the best (but don't know if it'll happen).

You are speaking solely for Rogers and Cogeco I take it. People exist outside those realms ;)

Yes Gougeco you cannot play games by claiming that you must keep ready many extra spares on hand when you don't even do this for your own customers.

Cogeco PR Man

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Table 1
#9
Commission adjustment
Exclude these costs

Rationale for adjustment
Refer to paragraphs 29 and 31. Documentation and filing activities should already be included in other CSG activities, not as a separate and distinct activity.

Table 2
#10
Commission adjustment
Calculate proposed time estimates by assuming 1.5 interfaces per order on average, assume proposed costs are order-driven, and reduce calculated time estimate by 60%.

#13
Commission adjustment
Calculate proposed time estimates by assuming 1.5 interfaces per order on average and reduce recalculated total time estimate by 73%

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69. However, the Commission notes that Cogeco’s cost study included supplemental costs associated with spares in the event of a failure, and that a higher level of spares was assumed in their cost study for wholesale services than the level that the company maintains for its own retail services. The Commission considers that this in inappropriate, and that the costs are therefore inflated. The Commission determines that it would be appropriate for Cogeco to apply the same level of spares as it uses in its network for its retail services.

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You are speaking solely for Rogers and Cogeco I take it. People exist outside those realms ;)

There is Videotron and Bell as well. Videotron is already aggregated and now has a decent price decrease.

So who will be the first to drop their prices?

Who will be the first to say they are keeping all cost savings and not passing it onto their beloved customers?

Ie, if the CBB rates don't go down significantly when the decision comes out then you're more likely to see the rates of indies go up instead as they move to the aggregated platforms.

So are the indie's who are "looking out for the customers" going to drop their monthly rates to reflect the price decreases or is the decrease negligible?