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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 02 May 2013 10:39:40 EDT

pc8888 posted :

said by Guspaz:

It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

$59 bucks, ESXi 5 + 16gb ram + hosting in Canada is still cheaper than everybody else. I like Amazon, but all the clients I have met do not like residing data on US soil. At least not on the paper.

P.S. Amazon EC2 can't do Oracle RAC but it seems like this OVH can handle it. Gotta do more research...

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 01 May 2013 21:39:10 EDT

Cyborg994 posted : I have been looking into smartos lately, looks very promising, and it's actually an option at OVH. Pretty cool!

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Mon, 29 Apr 2013 17:25:29 EDT

mlerner posted :

said by Guspaz:

Actually you can use vSphere on the KS servers but you have to order it with a distro on the list and then do a reinstall. The only caveat is that it's not supported by OVH officially and vSphere doesn't support the software RAID so the disks will be show up independently.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:33:27 EDT

Guspaz posted : It looks like VMWare isn't an option on the $39 box, but they do have for those Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.

Only the SP range and higher get VMWare, and those start at $59. That one can have SmartOS, VMWare ESXi, Xen, Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtuozzo, or Hyper-V.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Mon, 29 Apr 2013 15:57:03 EDT

pc8888 posted : I am new to this.

I am interested in the $39 box. I read that some of you are using vwmare and I am thinking about running ESXi 5.1 on it.

Does it come with ESXi when I place the order?
If not, is there any link out there that show me how to do it?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:52:16 EDT

julienvf posted :

said by Guspaz:

said by analog andy:

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

It really is. Every other major incumbent ISP in Ontario/Quebec and many more eastern ones peer at TorIX. Rogers, Videotron, Cogeco, Bell Aliant, Eastlink, Shaw... Even some American incumbents peer, like Frontier and AT&T... Admittedly, some like AT&T and Videotron are no longer actively peering despite their connection (Videotron to TekSavvy goes through Limelight), although for this specific case Videotron peers directly with OVH.

said by analog andy:

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

You missed the better deal, where they had Atom servers (which still had huge bandwidth and hard drives) in Montreal selling for 119 euros per year. That's what DSL_Ricer's dad got.

That's the one I got too... Was too tempting!

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:20:01 EDT

Guspaz posted :

said by analog andy:

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

said by analog andy:

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

You missed the better deal, where they had Atom servers (which still had huge bandwidth and hard drives) in Montreal selling for 119 euros per year. That's what DSL_Ricer's dad got.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 15:02:54 EDT

analog andy posted :

said by Guspaz:

Fair enough (I was going by their headquarters connection), but the majority of your problems seem to be your own connection, since you have what appears to be basically 43ms + of first-hop latency. And the extra latency to OVH seems to be entirely a factor of Bell Canada refusing to peer at TorIX, forcing the connection to take a detour. Bell's arrogance and intransigence is turning the ~550km trip from Montreal to Toronto into a 2200km trip. Bell's self-absorbed peering policies are adding 1700 kilometers to the journey.

Well there's always some dick head that doesn't want to play fair in the sand pit.

At $39 its quite tempting to get one. I might just have to cancel my adsl connection (keeping one for backup purposes) and get that server.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:33:15 EDT

mlerner posted : Might I add Rogers has fantastic peering through TorIX. :) Always low latency to my OVH servers.

Tracing route to 8.7.244.2 over a maximum of 30 hops

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 8 ms 8 ms 6 ms 7.41.204.1
3 27 ms 23 ms 14 ms 24.156.149.97
4 17 ms 14 ms 14 ms 69.63.250.218
5 14 ms 13 ms 12 ms 69.63.248.190
6 30 ms * 14 ms gw-ovh.torontointernetxchange.net [206.108.34.18
9]
7 21 ms * 23 ms mtl-2-6k.qc.ca [178.32.135.71]
8 * 22 ms * bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.5]
9 21 ms * * bhs-1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.12]
10 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms 8.7.244.2

Trace complete.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:23:26 EDT

Guspaz posted : Fair enough (I was going by their headquarters connection), but the majority of your problems seem to be your own connection, since you have what appears to be basically 43ms + of first-hop latency. And the extra latency to OVH seems to be entirely a factor of Bell Canada refusing to peer at TorIX, forcing the connection to take a detour. Bell's arrogance and intransigence is turning the ~550km trip from Montreal to Toronto into a 2200km trip. Bell's self-absorbed peering policies are adding 1700 kilometers to the journey.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:05:04 EDT

analog andy posted :

said by Guspaz:

Netelligent is still 1000 km closer to you than Montreal...

Seriously, look at a map. Latency scales with geographic distance.

My old Netelligent dedi server and shared account are both in Montreal.

OVH

1 4 ms 3 ms 5 ms 192.168.0.1
2 70 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
3 90 ms 44 ms 45 ms zz20920586075.cipherkey.net [209.205.86.75]
4 43 ms 44 ms 45 ms xx208110096019.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.19]
5 44 ms 43 ms 44 ms xx208110096090.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.90]
6 43 ms 44 ms 43 ms 67.69.228.189
7 44 ms 47 ms 43 ms core2-vancouver_POS3-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.248.6
1]
8 111 ms 112 ms 110 ms core4-vancouver_pos0-0-1.net.bell.ca [64.230.183
.38]
9 114 ms 115 ms 113 ms tcore4-toronto12_POS0-8-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.
147.209]
10 112 ms 112 ms 113 ms newcore2-chicago23_so2-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.1
47.174]
11 110 ms 110 ms 111 ms bx5-chicagodt_xe0-1-0_0 [64.230.186.255]
12 110 ms * * eqx.chi.ovh.net [206.223.119.152]
13 131 ms 129 ms 128 ms 198.27.73.173
14 * 127 ms 127 ms bhs-g1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.5]
15 207 ms 251 ms 212 ms bhs-1-6k.qc.ca [198.27.73.12]
16 129 ms 129 ms 129 ms 8.7.244.2

Netelligent

1 3 ms 4 ms 4 ms 192.168.0.1
2 81 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
3 47 ms 48 ms 58 ms zz20920586075.cipherkey.net [209.205.86.75]
4 43 ms 46 ms 44 ms xx208110096019.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.19]
5 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms xx208110096026.cipherkey.com [208.110.96.26]
6 44 ms 44 ms 45 ms 67.69.228.189
7 106 ms 107 ms 108 ms core2-vancouver_POS3-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.248.6
1]
8 106 ms 105 ms 104 ms core4-vancouver_pos0-0-1.net.bell.ca [64.230.183
.38]
9 110 ms 110 ms 107 ms tcore4-toronto47_POS0-12-1-0.net.bell.ca [64.230
.147.193]
10 106 ms 107 ms 107 ms 64.230.147.129
11 114 ms 109 ms 113 ms tcore3-montreal02_POS0-7-0-0_core.net.bell.ca [6
4.230.168.97]
12 108 ms 105 ms 105 ms agg1-montreal02_xe5-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.170.
242]
13 104 ms 106 ms 105 ms dis53-montreal02_5-0-0.net.bell.ca [64.230.169.1
70]
14 106 ms 105 ms 107 ms 67.69.244.158
15 111 ms 110 ms 111 ms 209.44.125.160
16 105 ms 106 ms 105 ms todd.dnsprive.com [209.44.106.221]

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 12:15:20 EDT

Guspaz posted : Netelligent is still 1000 km closer to you than Montreal...

Seriously, look at a map. Latency scales with geographic distance.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:39:19 EDT

analog andy posted :

said by Guspaz:

Routing? No, more like Denver is a fraction the distance from BC as compared to Montreal... Surrey to Denver is ~2,300 km, while Surrey to Montreal is ~4,500 km.

In terms of latency, I pinged DSL_Ricer's father's OVH box from my Montreal TekSavvy connection and got a stable 21ms. It went through TorIX. The lower latency is probably due to being on VDSL2 (which has lower first-hop latency).

Odd as my ping to a server at Netelligent has always been in the 70's and to OVH its in the 90/100's even NFOservers NY is in the 90's/100's.

I just need a cheap game server, $39 is a crazy price. I guess I could get two different ones East (OVH) and West (VPS NFO Seattle) then use the OVH one to host the map files.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 10:42:42 EDT

Guspaz posted : Routing? No, more like Denver is a fraction the distance from BC as compared to Montreal... Surrey to Denver is ~2,300 km, while Surrey to Montreal is ~4,500 km.

In terms of latency, I pinged DSL_Ricer's father's OVH box from my Montreal TekSavvy connection and got a stable 21ms. It went through TorIX. The lower latency is probably due to being on VDSL2 (which has lower first-hop latency).
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 07:33:14 EDT

julienvf posted : I get about 24-25ms ping from Montr�al but traffic is routed through torix (Toronto back and forth).

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Wed, 13 Feb 2013 03:58:30 EDT

analog andy posted : I was going to get one of their $39 servers for hosting a game but the ping was quite a bit slower (93-120ms) from Surrey to OVH (proof.ovh.ca) vs Surrey to Denver (VPS NFOserversms) (64-98ms)

I guess the routing is more efficient to the Denver location vs going through Canada?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 26 Jan 2013 19:13:27 EDT

green92 posted : OVH service is pretty good. They may have the biggest data center on Earth now in Montreal. If only they could provide VoIP and internet in Canada as they do in France that would be a awesome!
I pay only 1.18 euro/month for unlimited calls to 100+ countries.
And could shake our beloved canadian ISPs that rip us all !

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:50:28 EDT

Ree posted :

said by funny:

And why do you assume he ordered from the EU site to avoid taxes? If you'd looked into things before making your accusation, you would know it's much more likely that he ordered from the EU site because it is the only one that sells that particular server.

The CA site sells the mid to high-end Kimsufi servers, the EU site currently has a special offering one of the low-end Kimsufi servers.

said by hm :

Read further up that some people have a very poor response times to their servers. Was this limited to TSI users? Is it fixed now? Shaw, Telus and Cogeco land have no issues?

I've only seen a TekSavvy user report it, but it's entirely possible that other ISPs are affected and their users just aren't noticing/reporting it.

All is well with Rogers though -- backing up my ESXi VMs via rsync maxes the 100mbit connection.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:40:23 EDT

anon posted :

said by Ree:

said by hm :

So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?

I don't think you'll find a better bang for your buck. I've been using them for several months and no beefs yet.

I think the real test will be the first time something dies like a hard-drive and I have to wait for support to fix it. I've heard stories going both ways -- some say replacement was quick and easy, others have said it was a nightmare procedure.

I take lots of backups and don't host anything mission-critical, so even nightmare support wouldn't be such a big deal in my case so that's why I'm with them. Yay or Nay is entirely dependent on your particular situation though.

TY for the response, Ree.

About routing...

Read further up that some people have a very poor response times to their servers. Was this limited to TSI users? Is it fixed now? Shaw, Telus and Cogeco land have no issues?

Anyone know?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:21:29 EDT

funny posted :

said by Ree:

said by funny:

funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did.

I'd love to hear your explanation of how that is tax avoidance and/or evasion.

if you buy a service and are supposed to pay a taxes on it and AVOID OR EVADE them by skirting rules or finding a technicality of location know this...there actually is a law on the books to catch pedobears that is in effect ...what a canuck does on the net OUR LAWS APPLY....thus if your buying internet server from ovh and its located in canada but using a site in EU and evading taxes if they really wanted to come sideways at you they could for it....it also ina future of any issue you have be just something else they add on you to make you look even worse in front of any judge.

OH and trust me they will be far quicker at closing loopholes for small fry then big corporate types that use the nation of belize to launder money....( where was it helena and jaffer vacationed again?)

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:17:47 EDT

funny posted :

said by Guspaz:

What a funny guy? Rogers and Videotron combined are roughly 2 million broadband subs between them, and Canada has roughly 10 million in total. Those two ISPs alone are 20% of all broadband subs, not a bad start for direct peering... If they can get peering with Bell, that would take them up to 50% right there.

by subs you mean users subscribers WRONG in 2006 sandvine came up with 24 million accounts and 5.4 million p2p users at one time and 4 months later it jumped to 9.8 million see a trend....
anyhow cant tell on validity BUT last september CBC ran some internet article saying we had 21 million net users. lost 3 million since caps were introduced....
thats a lot of revenue they lost for being silly
take bell
both me and my dad have dropped them ( ONLY what tsi gives them is what they get now )
so you get a tv /phone loss on my dads side and phone and net loss to whatever tsi gives them.

no wonder they THINK THEY NEED caps now....they screwed themsleves for customers and its a need fer greed issue.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:12:51 EDT

funny posted :

said by julienvf:

said by Guru:

said by julienvf:

I didn't get charged any taxes on the 119 euros yearly plan...

I bought a $39 server from OVH.ca today and got charged tax.

Yea, you bought it on the .ca domain while I got mine on the EU site.

so your admitting to tax evasion? oh my...

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:48:43 EDT

Ree posted :

said by hm :

So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:12:11 EDT

anon posted : So what's the consensus of everyone here with OVH?

Yay or Nay?

Worth it? Better value can be found at "X" (insert name here)?

Anyone actually using them? Beefs?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 12 Jan 2013 04:16:29 EDT

Satya posted : in p2p world..the reasons are unlimited..if that is not your need..then you pick the datacenter that will give you the best routing to your location

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:50:42 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by Guspaz:

Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?

Dunno. But they might pick the Irish datacentre to establish a 'legal' presence in Ireland for their Netherlands Antillies operations.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:48:03 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by rednekcowboy:

Aren't Rogers and Videotron owned by the same conglamorate/are sister companies? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but can't find it now...

No, they aren't.

But they were roommates at the "School of Customer Gouging".

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 17:02:30 EDT

jmck posted : I'm sorry but i have several customers that use my services hosted on OVH including all over the US (using comcast, verizon FIOS, cox.net) and a few here (rogers, videotron, start.ca) and they all are able to mostly saturate their lines.

TSI seems to be the one exception even with a private peer setup last week.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:55:13 EDT

julienvf posted :

said by Guspaz:

Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?

I was gonna ask the same thing. If you want to see how dl speed would be from their european datacenter, simply try a speedtest from www.ovh.net which is in France.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 16:09:30 EDT

Guspaz posted : Why would we ever pick the RBX datacenter instead of the Canadian datacenter?
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:48:16 EDT

Satya posted : I have been renting servers with OVH since 2006. Before they allowed only French citizens and countries with official languages as French to buy on their site www.ovh.com Montreal was part of that and the only province in Canada to be able to order directly. Otherwise you needed a french address and a french credit card number.

OVH was cheap at that point too offering 100mbit unmetered servers for 40-50 euros a month. They became really popular and were able to grow massively partly because of their pricing which lured all p2p users to rent their servers as "seedboxes". Resellers who were able to order form france were selling servers at a good 20 euros premium making them very profitable.

Seeing their business boom rapidly, they were able to internalize all their operations from building their own datacenters, to eco friendly electricity generation, build their own servers from scratch, own land and property rather than lease. All these business deals made them pass their savings to customers on their lower range of the servers.

However, OVH is not premium routing. If you download using a single thread and you are in Canada, you will get around 200-300KB/sec tops. Compare that to someone like softlayer.nl or nforce.nl or other premium providers you will see the difference. But NOONE can touch ovh on the budget range and that has what made them popular.

You can still order servers from www.ovh.ie and rent their servers and have a choice of the datacenter you want to pick. Most pick RBX which is roubaix in france and strasbourg is their relatively newer one in europe.

You can check the network map that OVH has from here ->

»weathermap.ovh.net

You can register on their forums here -> »forums.ovh.co.uk

You can check the status of their network issues, their work in progress on various datacenters, router issues, outages here

--> »status.ovh.net

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:57:28 EDT

rednekcowboy posted : Aren't Rogers and Videotron owned by the same conglamorate/are sister companies? I could have sworn I read that somewhere but can't find it now...

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:48:03 EDT

Ree posted :

said by funny:

funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did.

I'd love to hear your explanation of how that is tax avoidance and/or evasion.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:51:22 EDT

funny posted :

said by julienvf:

said by Guru:

said by julienvf:

I didn't get charged any taxes on the 119 euros yearly plan...

I bought a $39 server from OVH.ca today and got charged tax.

Yea, you bought it on the .ca domain while I got mine on the EU site.

funny your admiting to tax avoidance/evasion.
boy ive read this thread and you all better hope someone isnt asking dslreports for ips like voltage did.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 21:12:30 EDT

brad posted :

said by jmck:

The only other large consumer provider

Anyways, I don't even see the point to this

I'm sure they'll increasing their private and public peering over time in Canada, but they can't just go and peer with Tier 1s that would rather sell them bandwidth.

There is more to the Internet than just DSL / cable connections.

You've made that pretty clear.

Who said anything about peering? They could have made better choices for their Canadian transit options or purchased additional transit from other providers to fill in the gaps.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 21:07:37 EDT

brad posted :

said by Guspaz:

I don't consider that a "pretty good chunk" and that still leaves out Bell, Telus, Allstream, Shaw and a few others. It's peering with Rogers, transit from Videotron.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 16:24:45 EDT

jmck posted : The only other large consumer provider I left out was Bell that had an east coast footprint which is where OVH is located (i suppose Cogeco is decent too).

Anyways, I don't even see the point to this, they also have transit in NYC/NJ and Chicago which is again where all of eastern Canada goes into.

I'm sure they'll increasing their private and public peering over time in Canada, but they can't just go and peer with Tier 1s that would rather sell them bandwidth.

As mentioned above too with TSI, private peering doesn't mean fast performance (altho this seems to be because of TSI not really caring).

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Mon, 07 Jan 2013 19:46:38 EDT

Guspaz posted : What a funny guy? Rogers and Videotron combined are roughly 2 million broadband subs between them, and Canada has roughly 10 million in total. Those two ISPs alone are 20% of all broadband subs, not a bad start for direct peering... If they can get peering with Bell, that would take them up to 50% right there.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:20:32 EDT

brad posted :

said by ohmer:

They should peer with peer1 at Montreal instead of NY like they do right now...

Not instead of.. they should make an attempt to peer with them in as many places as possible.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:17:12 EDT

brad posted :

said by Guspaz:

That's a pretty good chunk of them, though.

What a funny guy. Please stop making me laugh.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:44:33 EDT

ohmer posted : They should peer with peer1 at Montreal instead of NY like they do right now...

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 06 Jan 2013 20:33:53 EDT

Guspaz posted : That's a pretty good chunk of them, though. It's a new network, and a brand new datacenter. The routing may improve over time as they expand.
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Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 06 Jan 2013 19:24:22 EDT

brad posted :

said by jmck:

their canadian routing is very good for Rogers and Videotron and Start (I have customers on all of those getting amazing performance).

There is more to Canadian networks than just those 2 carriers and a small ISP.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 06 Jan 2013 13:51:47 EDT

jmck posted : well the private peer didn't seem to help one bit, still struggling to get any decent throughput from OVH to TSI even at 1:45pm on a Sunday.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sun, 06 Jan 2013 06:42:01 EDT

jmck posted : their canadian routing is very good for Rogers and Videotron and Start (I have customers on all of those getting amazing performance).

their Montreal NOC/Network engineers seem to care too about performance and just turned up a private peer between TSI/OHV at TorIX which should improve performance.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 05 Jan 2013 23:01:36 EDT

brad posted : Their Canadian routing is not very good at all, but what can you expect when their rates are so cheap. They could really gain from picking up some transit from Allstream to fill in the gap.

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 05 Jan 2013 22:26:39 EDT

brad posted :

said by BoogaBooga:

said by brad:

Would you be able to provide dmesg output and "lspci -vv" output for the i3 system?

Ah, so the 82579V Ethernet controller and the SATA controller in AHCI mode.

and the dmesg?

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:47:18 EDT

BoogaBooga posted :

said by brad:

Would you be able to provide dmesg output and "lspci -vv" output for the i3 system?

00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller (rev 09)Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2013Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR-  00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2013Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR-  [disabled]Capabilities: [90] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-Address: 00000000  Data: 0000Capabilities: [d0] Power Management version 2Flags: PMEClk- DSI+ D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-Capabilities: [a4] PCI Advanced FeaturesAFCap: TP+ FLR+AFCtrl: FLR-AFStatus: TP- 00:16.0 Communication controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family MEI Controller #1 (rev 04)Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2013Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B-PriDiscTmr- SecDiscTmr- DiscTmrStat- DiscTmrSERREn-Capabilities: [40] Express (v2) Root Port (Slot+), MSI 00DevCap:MaxPayload 128 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s <64ns, L1 <1usExtTag- RBE+ FLReset-DevCtl:Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported-RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop-MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 128 bytesDevSta:CorrErr- UncorrErr- FatalErr- UnsuppReq- AuxPwr+ TransPend-LnkCap:Port #1, Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM L0s L1, Latency L0 <1us, L1 <4usClockPM- Surprise- LLActRep+ BwNot-LnkCtl:ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- Retrain- CommClk-ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-LnkSta:Speed 2.5GT/s, Width x0, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive- BWMgmt- ABWMgmt-SltCap:AttnBtn- PwrCtrl- MRL- AttnInd- PwrInd- HotPlug- Surpise-Slot #  0, PowerLimit 10.000000; Interlock- NoCompl+SltCtl:Enable: AttnBtn- PwrFlt- MRL- PresDet- CmdCplt- HPIrq- LinkChg-Control: AttnInd Unknown, PwrInd Unknown, Power- Interlock-SltSta:Status: AttnBtn- PowerFlt- MRL- CmdCplt- PresDet- Interlock-Changed: MRL- PresDet- LinkState-RootCtl: ErrCorrectable- ErrNon-Fatal- ErrFatal- PMEIntEna- CRSVisible-RootCap: CRSVisible-RootSta: PME ReqID 0000, PMEStatus- PMEPending-DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Range BC, TimeoutDis+ ARIFwd-DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis- ARIFwd-LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 2.5GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-, Selectable De-emphasis: -6dB Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS- Compliance De-emphasis: -6dBLnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -3.5dBCapabilities: [80] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-Address: fee0f00c  Data: 4151Capabilities: [90] Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2013Capabilities: [a0] Power Management version 2Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-Kernel driver in use: pcieport 00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family PCI Express Root Port 2 (rev b5) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- Reset- FastB2B-PriDiscTmr- SecDiscTmr- DiscTmrStat- DiscTmrSERREn-Capabilities: [40] Express (v2) Root Port (Slot+), MSI 00DevCap:MaxPayload 128 bytes, PhantFunc 0, Latency L0s <64ns, L1 <1usExtTag- RBE+ FLReset-DevCtl:Report errors: Correctable- Non-Fatal- Fatal- Unsupported-RlxdOrd- ExtTag- PhantFunc- AuxPwr- NoSnoop-MaxPayload 128 bytes, MaxReadReq 128 bytesDevSta:CorrErr- UncorrErr- FatalErr- UnsuppReq- AuxPwr+ TransPend-LnkCap:Port #2, Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, ASPM unknown, Latency L0 <512ns, L1 <4usClockPM- Surprise- LLActRep+ BwNot-LnkCtl:ASPM Disabled; RCB 64 bytes Disabled- Retrain- CommClk+ExtSynch- ClockPM- AutWidDis- BWInt- AutBWInt-LnkSta:Speed 5GT/s, Width x1, TrErr- Train- SlotClk+ DLActive+ BWMgmt+ ABWMgmt-SltCap:AttnBtn- PwrCtrl- MRL- AttnInd- PwrInd- HotPlug- Surpise-Slot #  1, PowerLimit 10.000000; Interlock- NoCompl+SltCtl:Enable: AttnBtn- PwrFlt- MRL- PresDet- CmdCplt- HPIrq- LinkChg-Control: AttnInd Unknown, PwrInd Unknown, Power- Interlock-SltSta:Status: AttnBtn- PowerFlt- MRL- CmdCplt- PresDet+ Interlock-Changed: MRL- PresDet- LinkState+RootCtl: ErrCorrectable- ErrNon-Fatal- ErrFatal- PMEIntEna- CRSVisible-RootCap: CRSVisible-RootSta: PME ReqID 0000, PMEStatus- PMEPending-DevCap2: Completion Timeout: Range BC, TimeoutDis+ ARIFwd-DevCtl2: Completion Timeout: 50us to 50ms, TimeoutDis- ARIFwd-LnkCtl2: Target Link Speed: 5GT/s, EnterCompliance- SpeedDis-, Selectable De-emphasis: -6dB Transmit Margin: Normal Operating Range, EnterModifiedCompliance- ComplianceSOS- Compliance De-emphasis: -6dBLnkSta2: Current De-emphasis Level: -6dBCapabilities: [80] MSI: Enable+ Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit-Address: fee0f00c  Data: 4159Capabilities: [90] Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2013Capabilities: [a0] Power Management version 2Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0+,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-Kernel driver in use: pcieport 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family USB Enhanced Host Controller #1 (rev 05) (prog-if 20 [EHCI])Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2013Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR-  00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family 6 port SATA AHCI Controller (rev 05) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2013Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx+Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- Capabilities: [b0] PCI Advanced FeaturesAFCap: TP+ FLR+AFCtrl: FLR-AFStatus: TP-Kernel driver in use: ahci 00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family SMBus Controller (rev 05)Subsystem: Intel Corporation Device 2013Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-Status: Cap- 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- SERR- TAbort- SERR-

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:31:11 EDT

DSL_Ricer posted : 192.95.24.140 seems to be on their network (no that address is not mine, I do have one though).

They have a network diagram with router and peer names, and current link utilization at:
»weathermap.ovh.net/usa

Re: OVH pricing at Montreal datacenter is... insane?

Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:13:59 EDT

brad posted :

said by BoogaBooga:

I also got their i3 8gb server. Its definitely worth the price. Performance seems very consistent.

Note that they use custom kernels for Linux (with modules disabled) which means that you will have to re-compile the kernel if you want to enable some modules.

Having modules disabled by default is a better default security stance.

Would you be able to provide dmesg output and "lspci -vv" output for the i3 system?