said by jrodson69:said by tsduke:If you think using Obamacare is an excuse, lets meet back here in a year and see if you still think that. Obamacare forces companies to cover things that companies don't cover now. That's not free. If you have an income in which you pay taxes you might want to google healthcare reform taxes. This think will cost us more in premiums and taxes. He said it would be less than 1 trillion. It's not sitting at $2.7 trillion.
Wait until they find out they will have to declare the full value of any employer sponsored or provided health care coverage as income on their tax returns...and that government will have direct debit access to any checking or savings accounts in their name to debit any health care costs...
On the prosperity comment. Name me one action that Obama has promoted that supports prosperity and success. He's too focused on entitlement programs to do that.
Entitlements = Votes. It really is that simple.
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www.snopes.com/politics/ ··· thil.asp - you look smarter when you research your claims about what Obamacare does/doesn't do.
As for things that Obama wants to do to help increase prosperity, well, in my view, anything that helps make college more affordable will lead to students graduating with lower debt loads, which means less of their income will be down the drain immediately to student loan payments and can be spent actually purchasing things or can be saved. Less debt load also means that young people who'd like to start their own businesses might have more opportunities to do so. You really do have to have money to make money - success and prosperity don't come from nothing, and in general it seems the people who complain about Obama not doing anything to encourage prosperity are people who already are, in fact, prosperous. They're just disgruntled because what he wants to do encourages the opportunity of prosperity and success among people who were perhaps shut out completely before. And access to health care means that people can *stay* healthy, and therefore be able to work and hopefully be more successful. But I suppose in your mind, you should just be fortunate enough to be born into a family where your parents can pay for those things for you, or you just shouldn't have the opportunity of higher education at all.
Seriously though, stop acting like cable rates never increased before this. They increased all the time. That's the point I was trying to make, and it's ridiculous how off-kilter this thread has gone. They'd increase prices no matter who was president, or what bills were passed. The price of cable rose during Bush's administration too. It rose during Clinton's. It'll rise again during Obama's. And it'll rise again in the next administration. Cable rates are just as bad in countries like Canada too, even though insurance there isn't tied to your job. The cable industry as a whole is plagued with the mentality that prices must go up. It's either equipment fees, or programming increases, or fees for services that were previously included (like voicemail in the case of Mediacom) or whatever they can come up with to dig a little deeper into consumer pockets. And even if Romney had theoretically been elected, and had subsequently managed to repeal Obamacare, do you really think that rates would go back *down*? When's the last time your cable bill *decreased* (excluding promotional packages)?
