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Re: charged 90 bucks for less then 2 minute job! So. Did you bother to check the NID before you called in the trouble ticket? Please answer truthfully. "Inline" is a big waste of money. You are better off just paying the repair bills when they come.
I used to run into people like you on a daily basis (I used to work for SWBT / SBC / AT&T). I still occasionally run into someone like you in my current business. Let me tell you this: it takes at least $75 to "roll a truck". That's break even. Just because I was skilled enough to find problems and fix them quickly (which, ironically, pisses people off even though it's saving THEM money), does not mean it was a simplistic problem.
Your rant reminds me of an old story my Grandfather used to tell me (There are many variations of this story):
"Automaker Henry Ford asked electrical genius Charlie Steinmetz to build the generators for his factory. One day the generators ground to a halt, and the repairmen couldn't find the problem. So Ford called Steinmetz, who tinkered with the machines for a few hours and then threw the switch. The generators whirred to life--but Ford got a bill for $10,000 from Steinmetz. Flabbergasted, the rather tightfisted car maker inquired why the bill was so high. Steinmetz's reply: For tinkering with the generators, $10. For knowing where to tinker, $9,990. Ford paid the bill.
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| Used to run into people like what!? I don't appreciate getting insulted, I was a decent customer until I got a surprise screwing!
75 bucks to roll a truck!? Where the heck is it rolling in from?
Where do they get off raising basic choice to 31 bucks in january 2013!? That use to be like 21 or 23 bucks less then 2 years ago!
I would love to run a competing phone service in the same area and show att how to actually keep customers, instead of chasing them off with constant rate hikes and nasty surprises, let's not forget, no consumer rights with att either. My view of the entire company from the bottom to the top has changed to 100% negative.
ATT better not be calling me 2 times a day or every other day either. They lost my business for good.
If you run a business and tell me the terms and upfront costs, and keep it honest, you earned yourself a loyal customer for that. Think about that one before insulting a potential customer.
Honestly dude, I wouldn't hire you because of what you said here. |
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| Trust me, I'd NEVER work for somebody like you.
$75 was being very conservative. It's probably much more now. You obviously have no grasp on what it takes to keep a skilled technician on the road. Insurance, gas, tools, vehicle wear and tear, materials, training, benefits, wages - the list goes on. That's just a small sample of some of the associated costs.
Judging from your lack of response, I'd venture to guess it went down like this: You came home and found NDT. Instead of checking the NID, you picked up your cell phone and called repair service to demanded a DPO. They always, always, always tell people that if the trouble is past the demarc, you pay for it. It has been like this since divestiture in 1984. This is nothing new. It's common knowledge. They aren't just pulling this out of thin air. This is what "the people" wanted when they broke up the Bell System. A guy had to come to your house and fix your broken wiring and you are complaining about a charge that's less than $100? I tell you what, go call an electrician, plumber, or HVAC repairman to come to your house and see what it costs. Take your computer to a repair shop and tell them you want to know the exact final price before they do any work. Loyal customer doesn't mean you get stuff for free. If you don't like surprises, then buy their rip-off "Inline" service for $6 / month (or whatever it costs now). Your better off just paying the bill when something breaks. -- If someone refers to herself / himself as a "guru", they probably aren't. |
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| reply to nonamesleft said by nonamesleft:75 bucks to roll a truck!? Where the heck is it rolling in from? I used to work for Hewlett Packard; board repair tech, $17 an hour. But board repair labor was billable at $65 an hour. I wasn't the only employee handling the boards. Plus, that was twenty-two years ago. And did not include the incidental expenses of operating a fleet of vehicles for the board repair service. Field repair service was different, and more expensive. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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 | reply to nunya You used to run into people like OP all the time, huh? That is about one of the dumbest and most prejudiced comments I've ever read. Who wouldn't be PO'd for getting charged $90 and not having anything explained to them? Sure hope I never get you to come into any place I know of to work on thing!
Knowing how crooked AT&T is, they probably didn't do a dang thing and charged OP anyway! -- The Firefox alternative. »www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ |
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| Maybe you should read the thread before commenting. They came out and fixed his trouble. They fixed the OP's customer owned and maintained broken wires and it only took them 2 minutes. Since it only took 2 minutes, the OP feels he's entitled to some sort of freebie or discount. Save your insults for a subject where you know what you are talking about. -- If someone refers to herself / himself as a "guru", they probably aren't. |
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1 edit | said by nunya:Maybe you should read the thread before commenting. They came out and fixed his trouble. They fixed the OP's customer owned and maintained broken wires and it only took them 2 minutes. Since it only took 2 minutes, the OP feels he's entitled to some sort of freebie or discount. Save your insults for a subject where you know what you are talking about. Nunya, stop being a rude. I never expected any freebies, if someone says there probably won't be a charge then stand by it, if there really was going to be a charge say it! Charge me for it, but don't friggin gouge me! The only one that hurt att is att. Att has been getting away with too much since they got immunity for warrant-less wiretaps, now they think they can do whatever they want. |
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| Who said "probably" no charge? When someone tells me "probably", it means hope for the best, but expect the worse.
So you are honestly telling me that when the guy got there to fix your trouble he did not tell you it would be billable?
Your opinion of "gouge" is an odd one. As already mentioned and explained to you by others as well as myself, AT&T didn't make any money off your truck roll.
Lets be honest: AT&T doesn't even want to fix or maintain the wiring in your house. They've been trying to get away from that for a long time. It's a "necessary evil", for the time being. They've been advising people for DECADES that they can hire someone else to fix their customer owned wiring. The only way not to know this is if you've been living under a rock for the last 28 years.
You can bash AT&T all day long for most things, and I'll nod along in complete agreeance. They are shitty company with underwhelming products. Their wired services pale in comparison to cable. They only thing that will save them is a captive customer base where cable isn't available. I'd look for wireline to be sold off in the next few years. But in this particular case you are wrong. -- If someone refers to herself / himself as a "guru", they probably aren't. |
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1 edit | said by nunya:Who said "probably" no charge? When someone tells me "probably", it means hope for the best, but expect the worse.
So you are honestly telling me that when the guy got there to fix your trouble he did not tell you it would be billable?
Your opinion of "gouge" is an odd one. As already mentioned and explained to you by others as well as myself, AT&T didn't make any money off your truck roll.
Lets be honest: AT&T doesn't even want to fix or maintain the wiring in your house. They've been trying to get away from that for a long time. It's a "necessary evil", for the time being. They've been advising people for DECADES that they can hire someone else to fix their customer owned wiring. The only way not to know this is if you've been living under a rock for the last 28 years.
You can bash AT&T all day long for most things, and I'll nod along in complete agreeance. They are shitty company with underwhelming products. Their wired services pale in comparison to cable. They only thing that will save them is a captive customer base where cable isn't available. I'd look for wireline to be sold off in the next few years. But in this particular case you are wrong. If it makes you feel better to insult the customer, more power to you. Edit: Oh the joke is on the att techs for the area, the more people that get run off, the more likely chance you will get laid off/lose your job. I know that once the amount of customers gets under a certain number, att can possibly neglect customers even more. So good job chasing potential customers off with your negative attitude, nunya! |
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| I don't work for AT&T. I willingly left that sinking ship years ago. I'll still be seeing my pension, as wireless will be around for the foreseeable future.
But trust me, they'll be glad to see a customer like you go.
You weren't neglected. A guy came out and did what you wanted. He fixed your service. You are mad because it was a simple fix. If it had taken 2 hours and was something complex, would you still be bitching? I bet you'd probably complain about how long it took. -- If someone refers to herself / himself as a "guru", they probably aren't. |
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| reply to cork1958 said by cork1958:You used to run into people like OP all the time, huh? That is about one of the dumbest and most prejudiced comments I've ever read. Who wouldn't be PO'd for getting charged $90 and not having anything explained to them? It was explained; as a short circuit. That it only took two minutes seems to be the issue. But flat rate time fees have been around since at least 1966, when I looked through a cousin's "Motors Flat Rate Manual", a table of times and fees charged by auto mechanics (my cousin was one) for automotive repairs. Minimum time charged for repair was thirty minutes; even if the job only took two minutes to complete.
Unless you are paying the outrageous line maintenance fee, AT&T won't work on premises wiring without charge. Most likely AT&T went wrong by failing to inform OP that there would be a fee; but that isn't normal, either. I have always been warned ahead of time by PacBell/SBC service reps that there would be a fee if they found, and fixed, trouble in my premises wiring. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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