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Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
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WIN8 on new laptop=crap

Bought a laptop yesterday with Win8 and back it will go. Win8 is crap, tablet OS at best terrible in every other way. I am not new to PC's in fact I learned to program in the mid-80's, I've built my own computers for years etc. I just needed a laptop for some light work and

Win 8 sucks period. No I will not get use to it.

End of subject.


DelmarPip
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can I have it for free ?



Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
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said by DelmarPip:

can I have it for free ?

If they don't take it back maybe........ Hope I can still get a win& laptop around here....

SipSizzurp
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reply to Corehhi

said by Corehhi:

Bought a laptop yesterday with Win8...
Win 8 sucks period. No I will not get use to it.

Was that the "Metro Only" version of Windows 8 or the full version that includes the conventional desktop ?


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
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·Hargray Cable

1 recommendation

said by SipSizzurp:

said by Corehhi:

Bought a laptop yesterday with Win8...
Win 8 sucks period. No I will not get use to it.

Was that the "Metro Only" version of Windows 8 or the full version that includes the conventional desktop ?

Not sure the difference?? It starts and I get a bunch of apps all over the screen and I have to click one to get to the desktop. Desktop has no start button and no easy way to look for programs. In fact everything is proving hard to get to. I guess it was stupid on my part not to look at Win 8 and see how different it was. My main computer will be running win 7 till wheels fall off. I don't use any of those sharing apps and all that. I don't want to be tracked all the time and I don't want to inform people of my latest bowel movement in real time. Sorry I'm not a hipster.
This is what I bought, $260 out the door with an odd combo of discounts and coupons. Figured I couldn't miss. »www.staples.com/Samsung-Series-3···t_985037


La Luna
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reply to Corehhi

ONE day and you've decided it's crap?

I rest my case (see my posts in other Windows 8 threads).


SipSizzurp
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said by Corehhi:

I don't use any of those sharing apps and all that. I don't want to be tracked all the time and I don't want to inform people of my latest bowel movement in real time. Sorry I'm not a hipster.

You have a good point, but from what I see ( I'm de-crapping and customizing a new Gateway W8 computer as we speak ) those problems are not nearly as chronic as they may first appear. All of those "Tile" apps can be quickly obliviated. Right click on one of them and a tool bar appears at the bottom of the screen with the option to un-install. I just hosed about 12 of them in less than two minutes.

If you go to the real desktop by clicking the desktop tile you can right click the real desktop and add the icon for "My Computer" and the control panel. The control panel is identical to W7 and you can use the "Programs and features" list to un-install the rest of the factory loaded crap, like Norton, Wild Tangent, & etc just as you would need to do with Windows 7.

You would be shooting yourself in the foot by over reacting to such a minor "problem" of a slightly different computer feel. It is a new OS and will of course take a few minutes to get comfortable with. Windows 7 is going away and is not coming back.

The worst case scenario is that you can install a simple utility called "Classic Shell" that will completely skip the Metro interface and boot into a classic Windows 7 desktop with the start button and all the other normal things we already know how to operate.
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Maven
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reply to Corehhi

Re: WIN8 on new laptop=crap

said by Corehhi:

Desktop has no start button and no easy way to look for programs.

Customize the start screen and use that to launch your programs. Treat it as a full screen start menu.

said by Corehhi:

I don't use any of those sharing apps and all that. I don't want to be tracked all the time and I don't want to inform people of my latest bowel movement in real time. Sorry I'm not a hipster.

So uninstall those apps. Turn off whatever tracking you're talking about.

If you feel the start screen is that terrible, install classic shell as another user suggested and carry on. You are overreacting here.
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Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
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Re: WIN8 on new laptop=crap


Thought was simply buy a Roku or boxee something like that but a cheap laptop would be more useful. Well combo of coupons etc got a laptop in the price range I was looking. I was looking simple stuff no point in over kill, my main computer runs three screens and I use it to make a living, different matter all together. Win 8 is a shock to me, it feels like a phone play toy or tablet. What I run for work is not an app or at least a win 8 app and won't be. Win 8 also feels like some wide open crapware device. In the end you are right I should have been paying attention I know MS is looking to get more money out of an OS and this is the way they are heading, mindless app clickers.

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Corehhi

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reply to SipSizzurp

Re: WIN8 on new laptop=crap

Well Sip you may be right butt it's going to take me way to much work to de crap this, not as simple as just uninstall everything. If I can put classic shell on it life would be much better for me. We will see I just don't want to spend the time to figure this stuff out. Working on it right now but using a different computer to post that should tell you something.....



freebird317
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reply to Corehhi

+1


SipSizzurp
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reply to Corehhi

I'll post some screen shots for you in about an hour, after I finish getting office, classic shell and some other goodies installed.


lorennerol
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Seattle, WA
reply to Maven

said by Maven:

said by Corehhi:

Desktop has no start button and no easy way to look for programs.

Customize the start screen and use that to launch your programs. Treat it as a full screen start menu.

I have three screens and can rarely see more than 10% of my desktop. The last thing I want to have to do is minimize everything to get to it to launch an app that I used to be able to with one click on the task bar.

Decent phone interface, blunderously stupid interface for a computer.

SipSizzurp
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said by lorennerol:

The last thing I want to have to do is minimize everything to get to it to launch an app that I used to be able to with one click on the task bar.

The ability to pin tasks to the task bar has not been removed, and still works fine.

SipSizzurp
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Here are a few screenies to show the start menu and items pinned to the task bar. The ugly metro tile screen is gone forever. What you see is what the computer boots up into.

In my opinion Windows 8 is a bigger improvement in functionality and usability over Windows 7, than 7 was over Vista. Microsoft has done a lot of house cleaning and de-bloating of the base code. Everything is easier to do and more intuitive.


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

Ok I can work with that. BTW I have seen no reason to upgrade from XP, win 7 isn't an upgrade except for the fact MS is killing off XP.

I'm done for tonight I got side tracked with black Friday deals.



sholling
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reply to Corehhi

I wouldn't put up with that phone OS on a laptop either. The level of arrogance that it takes to expect customers to relearn everything because MS thinks they know better than their customers is amazing. The only thing more amazing is how far the MS groupies and sycophants have their noses up Ballmer's butt. They're easy to spot they're they ones that insult (as opposed to helping) anyone not smitten with the latest crapware from Microsoft. I have the feeling that the MS brass stepped on their.... this time.
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SipSizzurp
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said by sholling:

I wouldn't put up with that phone OS on a laptop either.

Yer in luck !! He is not stuck with the RT version on his laptop, nor would you be.

He has the desktop version.


sholling
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said by SipSizzurp:

said by sholling:

I wouldn't put up with that phone OS on a laptop either.

Yer in luck !! He is not stuck with the RT version on his laptop, nor would you be.

He has the desktop version.

Yes I know he has the laptop/desktop version of the phone OS. Hopefully MS comes to its senses and replaces the the metro interface with something useful.
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reply to Corehhi

said by Corehhi:

Ok I can work with that.

When I installed Classic Shell I un-checked the "IE 9" option. I like IE 10 the way it is and am not sure what the "IE 9" option would do. So many computers, so little time....

Edit -Lots of good YouTube videos on Classic Shell and W8. Here is one ;

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0L4Cte56tc
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Shootist
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Re: WIN8 on new laptop=crap

I totally agree with you. As for the others that say if you stop learning you end your existence and the like is just full of it. Computers are TOOLS. Like any TOOL you should not have to jump through a bunch of hoops to make it work for you. You should not have to Re-Learn how to use it. And lets throw the Car in here for good measure. What would happen if you bought a Car that when you turned the steering wheel to the left the car turned right. You'd take it back before or just after the accident.

Win 8 UI SUCKS!!!!!
It may be a very good OS under the hood but like a Car I don't sit under the hood.

One thing you can do is Install Win 7 on it. Windows 8 is the first MS OS that allows you to use the Win 8 license key to install an older version of Windows with it.
So that is an option.
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said by Shootist:

I totally agree with you.

getta byte, getta byte, getta byte byte byte to the rhythm of the "cavalry charge" finale of Rossini's William Tell Overture

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Mele20
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I agree. I should not have to jump through hoops to use Win 8. Nor should I have to install Classic Shell which is a third party program..thus subject to causing all sorts of problems. The WIN 8 UI sucks. I can't even change the Windows default font from that impossible to read Segoe to Verdana except in the registry. I can't access Item list in Advanced Display either. Microsoft has violated ADA with Win 8. I could care less if Win 8 is the same on phones and other devices. I don't have a cell phone that accesses the internet and don't care about tablets either or laptops. I bought an expensive new DESKtop and I expected Microsoft to make Win 8 work properly on a desktop.

The problem with installing Win 7 is that the OEMs are giving everyone trying to downgrade a hard time. Folks are complaining at Dell forums. I am about to call Dell Small/Medium Business Employee Software Support Program for instructions on (1) how to do a clean install of Win 8. Dell has told me that Microsoft has forbidden the OEMs to supply Win 8 Reinstallation disks and I have to be walked through a "new way" to do a clean install. That sounds like hogwash to me. (2) I need instructions on how to exercise my downgrade rights. Dell forums are full of complaints that Dell is charging upwards of $100 for downgrade rights! That is crazy as my understanding of Microsoft's rules are that I am charged nothing for a Win 7 Pro disk and Win 8 Pro disk (assuming I have Win 8 Pro).

I had to stay up until 4AM my time in order to call Dell Sm/Med Business Employee Software Support Program as it is open only 8AM-5PM CST. It is now 8:04 AM in Round Rock, Texas. Wish me luck. This computer goes back to Dell if I get any guff about getting a Win 8 Pro Reinstallation disk and and Win 7 Pro one free of any charge except a nominal one for shipping.
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reply to sholling

said by sholling:

said by SipSizzurp:

said by sholling:

I wouldn't put up with that phone OS on a laptop either.

Yer in luck !! He is not stuck with the RT version on his laptop, nor would you be.

He has the desktop version.

Yes I know he has the laptop/desktop version of the phone OS. Hopefully MS comes to its senses and replaces the the metro interface with something useful.

The Metro interface is very useful

Why?

Because I have 58 different desktop (with some live Modern) applications like QuickBooks, VirtualBox, MS Office, PuTTY, etc pinned on a single start screen and all it takes two mouse clicks to run it. Or I'd be stuck with messy start menu

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Been Using Windows 8 Pro With Media Center Since Friday October 26th, Adapted Well to the NEW Start menu myself, also use Desktop mode most of the time, but otherwise I got no issues with Windows 8 Pro at all.

Under the Hood Improvements from Windows 7 to 8, are worth it, ability to mount ISO's with File Explorer, Much Improved File Transfer Dialog, Task Manager, Responsiveness of the System, Totally enjoyable experience for me personally. Then again I do have a Windows Phone as well, so was kinda used to the Modern Interface with Live Titles anyways prior to getting Windows 8 Pro



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As I watch the Win8 saga unfold, I'm struck by what I believe is a tactical error on the part of Microsoft, probably resulting from a strategic decision on their part. In order to drive user acceptance of a UI that integrates with MS's strategic plans for a single "user experience" across a broad range of device types, they have apparently designed and released a new OS that does not intentionally ease the transition in UI by having a single UI "choice" button right at the user's fingertips following bootup. Whether one can achieve such a "classic" UI via a path of multiple clicks and settings plus use of 3rd-party mods is irrelevant - it's not an inherent, "instant" part of the OS itself, and it's the OS that folks have just paid for, either directly or indirectly (as part of a new OEM system). It's the OS they will have to use daily for years to come.

Those users (and there are many, as reports clearly show) who simply want to use the next 'upgrade' version of an OS as a "tool" to be quickly put into use will be confounded by the very great clash in default user interfaces, and they will be put off by having to walk through anything but an immediate click that takes them to a UI that is familiar to them.

The tactical error made by MS was in not providing an obvious, simple means of achieving that. That it requires installing a third-party program to achieve a familiar UI experience makes it all appear worse - Microsoft was incapable of including a bit more code for the sake of such users, yet a third-party outfit had the code ready from the get-go? The effect on MS's "tool-oriented" user base has been the classic market response to such a glaring error: resist and resent... and the full effects of that have yet to play out in the marketplace, but I submit that they will be evident in dollars and cents before the dust finally settles on Win8. No user wants to be so clearly taken for granted, be overlooked, or be (in some articles) dissed away.

Users willing to accept the UI learning curve and the impacts on how actual work is accomplished seem to have few problems with Win8 (again, reports clearly show there are many such users). A lot of users who frequent these forums are in that class, so I expect that view to prevail around here. But Microsoft's business base lies with appealing to both kinds of users, and they have essentially now placed the one kind of user at arm's length... and that will have market impact - if only to significantly postpone some of their migrations to a new OS.

Ultimately, Win8 will gain market share, but its adoption by "tool-oriented" users will be impaired by what's occurred - especially by businesses where actual computing is done. At some point about 3 or 4 years hence, all the buzz will be about the upcoming new Win9. My guess is that by that time, Win9 versus Win8 will be very much akin to how Win7 is viewed versus Vista.
edit: clarity
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