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Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
reply to SipSizzurp

Re: WIN8 on new laptop=crap

Well Sip you may be right butt it's going to take me way to much work to de crap this, not as simple as just uninstall everything. If I can put classic shell on it life would be much better for me. We will see I just don't want to spend the time to figure this stuff out. Working on it right now but using a different computer to post that should tell you something.....


SipSizzurp
Fo' Shizzle
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join:2005-12-28
Houston, TX
kudos:4

I'll post some screen shots for you in about an hour, after I finish getting office, classic shell and some other goodies installed.



OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH
reply to Corehhi

That's the point/problem right there, "you don't want to spend the time to figure this stuff out". Go buy a mac then complain because it doesn't do x, yet it does but you don't want to learn. Your what's wrong with customers now, want a new toy but don't want to learn how to use it, I hope staples charges you out the butt to return it for user error/remorse.



Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

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said by OSUGoose:

That's the point/problem right there, "you don't want to spend the time to figure this stuff out". Go buy a mac then complain because it doesn't do x, yet it does but you don't want to learn. Your what's wrong with customers now, want a new toy but don't want to learn how to use it, I hope staples charges you out the butt to return it for user error/remorse.

The problem is to learn it so I can basically completely change a GUI. It is just poor design of the interface. I like stream lined slimmed down interfaces and Win 8 is the total opposite of that. Every OS I have had, had to be tuned to my liking but Win 8 is simply over the top when I have to get rid of the whole screens.

Day three for those who say I didn't give it a chance blaw blaw blaw. It's getting better but I still don't see the pay off, MS should have just put a classic button on Win 8 some where and it would have been well received I'm sure.


digitalfutur
Sees More Than Shown
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join:2000-07-15
BurlingtonON
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reply to OSUGoose

Considering the 7% market share of Apple's OS, the vast majority of desktop/laptop users aren't willingto pay a 30-50% premium to avoid the Microsoft "dogfood". MS wouldn't be where it is today if it didn't listen to their users' collective opinions.

Even Lexus cars have their detractors.
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Logic requires one to deal with decisions that one's ego will not permit.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing - Edmund Burke.


itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA

said by digitalfutur:

Considering the 7% market share of Apple's OS, the vast majority of desktop/laptop users aren't willingto pay a 30-50% premium to avoid the Microsoft "dogfood". MS wouldn't be where it is today if it didn't listen to their users' collective opinions.

Even Lexus cars have their detractors.

Considering that Apple's markert share in PC's has been increasing for more than the past 2 years suggests people don't like Micosoft's products. Considering Apple's growth has outpaced the PC industry for the past few years I'd say people do not want Microsoft. I'd rather pay more for something that doesn't frustrate me than something cheaper that is a PITA to use.

And the price premium is not 30-50%. With the excpetion of the Mini, Apple does not play in the low end of the market. And that's fine. Just like there are PC's that cost more than Macbooks (Dell's high end flop from a couple years ago) people will buy them too. It's always funny how people bring up the "price premium" and then forget all the OEM's make cheap and expensive models.

Being in IT since the DOS days, I can assure you MS didn't get to where they are simply by listening to their users. They got there by bullying and not wanting to work with other vendors and locking other vendors out of their software. Even MS today claims to be "open" and such but when you have problems integrating their software (even though they say it works and is supported) you get the "well, if you were using Microsoft product zzz we can help you"...

It was well documented in the US's antitrust lawsuit a few years ago. There is a long list of products that are out of favor now that were/are much superior to Microsoft's products.


mm
I Did It My Way
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join:2001-04-07
Summerville, SC
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said by itguy05:

said by digitalfutur:

Considering the 7% market share of Apple's OS, the vast majority of desktop/laptop users aren't willingto pay a 30-50% premium to avoid the Microsoft "dogfood". MS wouldn't be where it is today if it didn't listen to their users' collective opinions.

Even Lexus cars have their detractors.

Considering that Apple's markert share in PC's has been increasing for more than the past 2 years suggests people don't like Micosoft's products. Considering Apple's growth has outpaced the PC industry for the past few years I'd say people do not want Microsoft. I'd rather pay more for something that doesn't frustrate me than something cheaper that is a PITA to use.

And the price premium is not 30-50%. With the excpetion of the Mini, Apple does not play in the low end of the market. And that's fine. Just like there are PC's that cost more than Macbooks (Dell's high end flop from a couple years ago) people will buy them too. It's always funny how people bring up the "price premium" and then forget all the OEM's make cheap and expensive models.

Being in IT since the DOS days, I can assure you MS didn't get to where they are simply by listening to their users. They got there by bullying and not wanting to work with other vendors and locking other vendors out of their software. Even MS today claims to be "open" and such but when you have problems integrating their software (even though they say it works and is supported) you get the "well, if you were using Microsoft product zzz we can help you"...

It's easier to have the growth that Apple is experiencing with the Macintosh when the numbers are so small. And the main reason for that growth is the popularity of their iOS products. Their premium pricing is what's keeping the Mac from really growing. I have never bought a premium priced PC/Laptop and probably never will. The only reason I don't own a Mac is their pricing. It's insulting how much they cost. And they don't offer any flexible upgrade path. It's either an all in one with no upgrade path or that mini that is also limited. If they offered a standard desktop where you could install your own hard drives and memory and price it right they could get the rest of the industry nervous.

I loaded Win 8 on my old 2nd desktop yesterday. It's a quad core 2.6ghz with 8 gig of ram. It runs fine speed wise, but the user (me) can't stand it. I did install a 3rd party start up button last night which makes it much easier to use. Microsoft left the door wide open for Apple to come in and even get more market share, but without a reasonably priced computer it's out of the reach for most people.