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Mele20
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Re: [WIN8] Some Observations about Windows 8

The problem with the icons on the desktop on Win 8 is that they are GIGANTIC and will quickly cover the desktop area. They cannot be made smaller, that I can find...just as I can't make the systray icons tiny or closer together and they sprawl completely across the taskbar... because there is no Item list anymore in Advanced Display Properties. Plus, my little free DeskSweeper program that has worked on all versions of Windows since Windows 95 installs on Win 8 but won't sweep the desktop icons to hide them when I click the desksweeper icon in the systray. That is so sad.

I don't want to look at the icons ...especially not gigantic ones. I only want to see them on the desktop if I need to click on one. Desksweeper also will not shut the computer down for me anymore or reboot it, etc. I am a traditionalist and I don't believe in throwing the baby away with the dirty bathwater which is what Win 8 does and it is completely a NO-NO on a desktop computer. I have no quarrel with Metro on mobile devices but Microsoft should be shot for putting that on desktop computers.

I am already requesting return authorization on the new computer.
Mele20

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Don't tell me that anyone who values their privacy will "love" getting applications from the Microsoft store! I won't ever get any from there. I set up a LOCAL user account (over Microsoft's protests) when I first turned on the new Win 8 Pro machine. I have NO intention of ever setting up a Microsoft account.

I have enough problems with disabling secure boot. I don't need anymore booby traps from Microsoft.

mozerd
Light Will Pierce The Darkness
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said by Mele20:

I have enough problems with disabling secure boot. I don't need anymore booby traps from Microsoft.

I'd say that you would be better off switching to Linux.

BTW, excellent Video that explains why Windows 8 is like no other.
»[Info] The Story of the Design of Windows 8 by Jensen Harris

plencnerb
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join:2000-09-25
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plencnerb

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I was debating about posting this, but I think it is something that I should do.

First, I'm going to list my hardware that I'm using. This way, people can see what I have, and how it compares to their system.

  • Apevia Iceberg 680-Watt Power Supply
  • Apevia X-Cruiser2 Metal Mid-Tower Case - Black, Side Window
  • ASUS Motherboard - AMD 880GX, Socket AM3
  • AMD Athlon II X4 635 Processor - Quad Core, 2.90GHz, Socket AM3
  • Corsair 4GB, PC10666, DDR3-1333MHz
  • Corsair 4GB, PC10666, DDR3-1333MHz
  • Corsair 4GB, PC10666, DDR3-1333MHz
  • Cooler Master Hyper N520 CPU Cooler
  • EVGA GeForce GT 220 Video Card - 1024MB DDR3, PCI-Express 2.0
  • Logitech Optical Mouse
  • LG Optical Internal DVDRW Drive - 24x Serial ATA Technology
  • OEM 3.5" Internal Memory Card Reader
  • Viewsonic LED 22" Widescreen LED Monitor

    All items were purchased from TigerDirect.

    As far as the Hard Drive, since this is my test system, I'm using an 80 GB ATA / 133 Maxtor. It is EIDE, so its performance is not as fast as the SATA Drives are. However, since I did not want to nuke my existing system, but use my hardware, this was the best option for me.

    Below is EVERY step that I did when I built my "test" Windows 8 system. I will say it is very long, and very detailed. So, you all have been warned!

  • Install Windows 8 Pro
    Below are the options that I changed during the install. I choose the "Customize" option, and not the "Express setup"

    Turn on Sharing and Connect to Devices (selected)

    Windows Update
    Don't Setup Windows Update

    Automatically get device drivers, apps, and info for new devices
    Off

    Used a local account, and not a Microsoft Account

    Once the OS was installed, I then went ahead and began to setup and configure my Windows 8 System.

  • Enable Admin Account

  • Login to Admin account

  • Modify the Time Zone to be (UTC-06:00) Central Time (US & Canada)

  • Unpin all items from the taskbar

  • Modify the Taskbar Properties
    Taskbar Tab
    Taskbar buttons: Never Combine
    Notification Area: Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar
    Jump Lists Tab
    Uncheck both privacy checkboxes

  • Modify Windows Explorer (View / Options / Change folder and search options)
    View Tab
    Display the full path in the title bar (check)
    Show hidden files, folder, and drives (check)
    Hide empty drives in the Computer folder (uncheck)
    Hide extensions for known types (uncheck)
    Use Sharing Wizard (uncheck)

  • Disable Hibernation by going to a command prompt, and typing powercfg.exe /hibernate off

  • Change the Recycle Bin Properties so that the option "Display delete confirmation dialog" box is checked.

  • Configure locations for each of the libraries (documents, music, pictures, videos)
    From Windows Explorer, click on the library
    Click Manage
    Click Manage Library
    Remove the reference to the public save location.

  • Uninstall the following apps from the Metro Screen
    Weather
    Bing
    Maps
    Sports
    Finance
    Photos
    SkyDrive
    Music
    Video
    Games
    Camera
    Reader (this is on the all apps screen)
    Messenging, Calendar, People, Mail (Uninstall one, and it will uninstall the rest)

  • If there are any other Tiles left on the main metro screen (outside of apps that I am keeping and the desktop tile), unpin them.

  • Clean up the "All Apps" part of metro
    Create a folder on the desktop called "Default Start Menu Items"

    Browse to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    Move all the folders and shortcuts to the "Default Start Menu Items" folder except those listed below
    Administrative Tools folder
    Startup Folder
    Desktop shortcut

    Browse to C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

    Move all the folders and shortcuts to the "Default Start Menu Items" folder except those listed below
    Administrative Tools
    Startup

    Cleanup the items in the "Default Start Menu Items" folder so that there is only a root level of folders (no sub-folders). The logic here is that once we are done, and we move these back, the folders will become the headings in the "All Apps" area of Metro.

  • Copy the Control Panel shortcut from inside the "Default Start Menu Items" folder on the desktop to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
    We do this so we can get at it during the build process

  • Turn off the firewall (Control Panel\System and Security\Windows Firewall)
    Turn Windows Firewall on or off (settings below are for both Private network settings, and Public network settings)
    Notify me when Windows Firewall blocks a new app (uncheck)
    Turn off Windows Firewall (checked)

  • Install updated or missing drivers inside of Device Manager
    Unknown Device #1 (ATK0110 ACPI on the motherboard)
    Unknown Device #2 (Logitech Quick Cam)
    Updated Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller Network Adapter
    Updated NVIDIA GT220 Display Adapter

  • Prior to the reboot after the video card has been installed do the following
    Uninstall the Nvidia update application.
    Delete the String value AppInit_DLLs from this registy key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Windows

  • Go to Control Panel\Hardware and Sound\Devices and Printers
    Right-click and select "Remove Device" for any printers listed.

  • Click the message "Windows can display enhanced device icons and information from the Internet. Click to change..." and then click "Get device information from the Internet"

  • Take the computer out of the default homegroup. (Control Panel\Network and Internet\HomeGroup, then click on "Leave the homegroup")

  • Uncheck Internet Protocol Versioon 6 (TCP/IPv6) (Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network Connections, then properties of the Wired NIC)

  • Disable the following services, and stop them if they are running.
    HomeGroup Listener
    HomeGroup Provider
    Windows Firewall

  • Set the short date format to be mm/dd/yyyy (Control Panel\Clock, Language, and Region, then "Change date, time, or number formats")

  • Modify the internet time server to be 192.168.0.100 (I do this as this IP is my smoothwall express linux box, which has a built-in time server)

  • Set Power Options (Control Panel\System and Security\Power Options)
    Turn off the display: Never
    Put the computer to sleep: Never
    Turn off hard disk after Setting (Minutes): 0

  • Launch IE (desktop version) and configure it
    General Tab Changes
    Change Home page to be about:blank

    Tabs Button
    Enable Tab Groups (uncheck)
    Delete browsing history on exit (checked)

    Delete Button
    Preserve Favorites website data (uncheck)
    Download History (checked)
    Form Data (checked)
    Passwords (checked)
    ActiveX Filtering and Tracking Protection data (checked)

    Settings Button
    Temporary Internet Files Tab
    Disk space to use: 50 MB

    History Tab
    Days to keep pages in history: 0
    Content Tab Changes
    AutoComplete Settings
    Ask me before saving passwords (uncheck)
    User names and passwords on forms (uncheck)
    Suggesting URLs (uncheck)
    Use Windows Search for better results (uncheck)
    Favorites (uncheck)
    Browsing History (uncheck)
    Address bar (uncheck)

    Advanced Tab Changes
    Notify when downloads complete (uncheck)
    Resume windows for launching shortcuts (uncheck)
    Empty Temporary Internet Files Folder when browser is closed (checked)

    Manage Add-On Changes
    Search Providers
    Search in the address bar (uncheck)
    Prevent programs from suggesting changes to my default search provider (checked)
    Search suggestions: Disabled

    Accelerators
    Remove any that are listed (E-mail with Windows Live, Map with Bing, Translate with Bing)

  • Modify Virtual Memory to be a custom and fixed size, based on the Recommened values given by Windows (put more detail here)
    Automatically manage paging file size for all drives (uncheck)
    Custom Size:
    For the two values below, use whatever windows reports as the "Recommended size" on the same screen.
    Initial Size (MB)
    Maximum Size (MB)

  • Run the tests to compute the Windows Experience Score
    My scores are below
    Processor: 7.2
    Memory (RAM): 7.3
    Graphics: 6.4
    Gaming Graphics: 6.4
    Primary Hard Disk: 4.9

  • Install Silverlight

  • Install Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard Center

  • Install .NET Framework 3.5 (do this by going into Turn Windows Features on or off, and select it from the list)

  • Get any and all items from Windows Update that apply.

  • Register Windows 8

  • Install the following software
    ISO Recorder
    Burrn
    UltraEdit
    Skype
    Winzip
    Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
    Winamp
    Trillian
    Rainmeter
    TeamViewer
    PDF Creator
    Thunderbird
    DosBox
    Sherlock
    Quicktime
    Microsoft Pinball Arcade
    Waterfox
    Adobe Reader
    Adobe Flash (Note: Only need to install the version for non-IE browsers)
    Java (x86 then x64)
    Frostwire
    Quicken (Once install is done, remove the PDF Printer it creates)
    Microsoft Office 2010 x64 (Word, PowerPoint, Excel) Once complete, Launch Word and register the software
    McAfee Enterprise

  • Unpin any new items that were created during step #34 from the first screen of Metro

  • Move any folders / shortcuts that were created during step #34 from the locations below to the desktop
    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
    C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\StartUp
    C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu
    C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
    C:\Users\Administrator\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup

  • Verify the below registry keys do not contain any items.

    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run (exception here are two items. One for iPoint and one for iType which are needed for my keyboard)
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Wow6432Node\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
    HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

  • Organize the items on the desktop and remove duplicates, extra icons, etc. When complete, place the folders into the "Default Start Menu Items" folder.

  • Check Windows Update, and install any security or other updates from Office

  • Move the shortcuts Desktop and Control Panel from the folder C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs to the
    folder "Windows System" inside of the "Default Start Menu Items" folder.

  • Move the contents of the "Default Start Menu Items" folder to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs

  • Delete the "Default Start Menu Items" folder

  • Set Password on Administrator Account

  • Reboot

  • Login as the local administrator

  • Unpin all icons from the first screen in Metro, except for the shortcut for Sherlock. For some reason, when you unpin this one, Windows
    will remove the shortcut stored in C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Games, which is where I had it. Not sure why it does this.

  • Log out

  • Login as my user

  • Unpin all items from the taskbar

  • Modify the Taskbar Properties
    Taskbar Tab
    Taskbar buttons: Never Combine
    Notification Area: Always show all icons and notifications on the taskbar
    Jump Lists Tab
    Uncheck both privacy checkboxes

  • Modify Windows Explorer (View / Options / Change Folder and search options)
    View Tab
    Display the full path in the title bar (check)
    Show hidden files, folder, and drives (check)
    Hide empty drives in the Computer folder (uncheck)
    Hide extensions for known types (uncheck)
    Use Sharing Wizard (uncheck)

  • Change the Recycle Bin Properties so that the option "Display delete confirmation dialog" box is checked.

  • Configure locations for each of the libraries (documents, music, pictures, videos)
    From Windows Explorer, click on the library
    Click Manage
    CLick Manage Library
    Remove the reference to the public save location. If there are files in the public library, delete them.

  • Uninstall the following apps from the Metro Screen
    Weather
    Bing
    Maps
    Sports
    Finance
    Photos
    SkyDrive
    Music
    Video
    Games
    Camera
    Reader (this is on the all apps screen)
    Messenging, Calendar, People, Mail (Uninstall one, and it will uninstall the rest)

  • If there are any other Tiles left on the main metro screen (outside of Metro Apps that I am keeping and the desktop tile), unpin them.

  • Delete all but the following from C:\Users\Brian A. Plencner\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs
    Administrative Tools Folder
    Startup Folder

  • Set the short date format to be mm/dd/yyyy (Control Panel\Clock, Language, and Region, then "Change date, time, or number formats")

  • Launch IE (desktop version) and configure it
    General Tab Changes
    Change Home page to be about:blank
    Delete browsing history on exit (checked)
    Tabs Button
    Enable Tab Groups (uncheck)
    Delete Button
    Preserve Favorites website data (uncheck)
    Download History (checked)
    Form Data (checked)
    Passwords (checked)
    ActiveX Filtering and Tracking Protection data (checked)
    Settings Button
    Temporary INternet Files Tab
    Disk space to use: 50
    History Tab
    Days to keep pages in history: 0
    Content Tab Changes
    AutoComplete Settings
    Ask me before saving passwords (uncheck)
    User names and passwords on forms (uncheck)
    Suggesting URLs (uncheck)
    Use Windows Search for better results (uncheck)
    Favorites (uncheck)
    Browsing History (uncheck)
    Address bar (uncheck)

    Advanced Tab Changes
    Notify when downloads complete (uncheck)
    Resume windows for launching shortcuts (uncheck)
    Empty Temporary Internet Files Folder when browser is closed (checked)

    Manage Add-On Changes
    Search Providers
    Search in the address bar (uncheck)
    Prevent programs from suggesting changes to my default search provider (checked)
    Search suggestions: Disabled
    Toolsbars and Extensions
    Disable All listed Add-ons and Extensions
    Accelerators
    Remove any that are listed (E-mail with Windows Live, Map with Bing, Translate with Bing)

  • Launch the following Software, and configure it
    Windows Media Player

  • Restore User Data

  • Configure Desktop background to be all the pictures from the "Desktop Wallpaper"
    folder. Verify that the picture position is set to "Fill" and the Change Picture
    every is set to "1 day", with shuffle enabled

  • Configure RainMeter, by using just the Weather app. The data will be in my Documents folder, and should load
    once I reboot after the data has been restored.
    Also, add the follwoing in the registry at this location: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run
    Name = RainMeter
    Type = String Value
    Data = C:\Program Files\Rainmeter\Rainmeter.exe
    Make sure there is no shortcut in the start menu folders

  • Install Bonic
    Note: Before the reboot takes place, restore the data for BONIC to C:\ProgramData\Bonic

  • Launch and configure the following software
    Burrn
    UltraEdit
    Skype
    Winzip
    Winamp
    FrostWire
    Trillian
    TeamViewer
    Thunderbird
    Sherlock
    Quicktime
    Microsoft Pinball Arcade
    Waterfox
    Adobe Reader
    Quicken
    Logitec Webcam
    PDF Creator
    Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
    Microsoft Word
    Microsoft Excel
    Microsoft PowerPoint

    Special Note about Waterfox
    To verify that my backup script to save all my data runs correctly, I have to change one default setting in the browser
    that will export the bookmarks to an html file every time the browser is closed.
    To do this, do the following steps
    1) Open the browser
    2) Type "about:config" in the address bar
    3) If you get a warning, click yes as we know what we are doing
    4) Search for the Preference Name "browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML"
    5) Change the value from false to true

  • Pin the following to the first Metro Screen
    Control Panel
    Paint
    Windows Media Center
    Burrn
    FrostWire
    Quicken
    TeamViewer
    Trillian
    UltraEdit
    Winamp
    Grand Theft Auto San Andreas
    Microsoft Pinball Arcade
    Sherlock
    Microsoft Excel
    Microsoft Word

  • Setup scheduled task that runs daily at 1 AM to back up my data

  • Set Password on my user account

    So, there you have it. As I had mentioned in a few threads, this is what I was working on. It is of course a work in progress, and I'm open for suggestions, comments, or questions about any of the above steps.

    Why did I post this? I think its important for everyone to see how I build my system, in regards to the questions I am asking, and how I will use my system in the end.

    Again, sorry about the length, but I think it is important to see what modifications I'm making, and how I'm installing Windows 8 as far as how it relates to the questions and observations I made at the start of this thread.

    --Brian

  • JohnInSJ
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    join:2003-09-22
    Aptos, CA

    JohnInSJ to Mele20

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    to Mele20
    said by Mele20:

    The problem with the icons on the desktop on Win 8 is that they are GIGANTIC and will quickly cover the desktop area.

    So organize them into folders. Hell, call the one on the desktop "Start". Go crazy and pin that one folder to the taskbar. Gee, look, it's like a Start menu.
    JohnInSJ

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    JohnInSJ to mozerd

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    to mozerd
    said by mozerd:

    said by Mele20:

    I have enough problems with disabling secure boot. I don't need anymore booby traps from Microsoft.

    I'd say that you would be better off switching to Linux.

    Or going off the grid completely.

    RazzyW8
    @rr.com

    RazzyW8 to Mele20

    Anon

    to Mele20
    said by Mele20:

    Don't tell me that anyone who values their privacy will "love" getting applications from the Microsoft store! I won't ever get any from there. I set up a LOCAL user account (over Microsoft's protests) when I first turned on the new Win 8 Pro machine. I have NO intention of ever setting up a Microsoft account.

    I have enough problems with disabling secure boot. I don't need anymore booby traps from Microsoft.

    You disabled Secure Boot? Why? It's a lot more secure that way. If I have an OEM PC I'd leave secure boot enabled. I recommend every customers to have secure boot if the option is available. Only reason why you should disable Secure Boot if you want to install Windows XP/7 or Linux.

    Microsoft gave you a choice for Local account, let it be. Most of us wants the use Microsoft accounts for ease of use. I really like the sync part.
    67845017 (banned)
    join:2000-12-17
    Naperville, IL

    67845017 (banned) to Mele20

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    to Mele20
    said by Mele20:

    Don't tell me that anyone who values their privacy will "love" getting applications from the Microsoft store! I won't ever get any from there. I set up a LOCAL user account (over Microsoft's protests) when I first turned on the new Win 8 Pro machine. I have NO intention of ever setting up a Microsoft account.

    I have enough problems with disabling secure boot. I don't need anymore booby traps from Microsoft.

    Isn't that a little over-dramatic? MS doesn't protest to using a local account. They simply give you a couple of options and let you choose which one you want.
    Glen T
    join:2003-11-03
    BC

    Glen T

    Member

    said by 67845017:

    said by Mele20:

    Don't tell me that anyone who values their privacy will "love" getting applications from the Microsoft store! I won't ever get any from there. I set up a LOCAL user account (over Microsoft's protests) when I first turned on the new Win 8 Pro machine. I have NO intention of ever setting up a Microsoft account.

    I have enough problems with disabling secure boot. I don't need anymore booby traps from Microsoft.

    Isn't that a little over-dramatic? MS doesn't protest to using a local account. They simply give you a couple of options and let you choose which one you want.

    Except that if you choose to have only a local account, you can't access the MS App Store and most of the included MS apps don't work, making the whole Start window concept superfluous.
    67845017 (banned)
    join:2000-12-17
    Naperville, IL

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    67845017 (banned)

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    I understand, but that wasn't my point.

    Edit: You can access the App Store to browse. You just can't download.

    RazzyW8
    @rr.com

    RazzyW8 to Glen T

    Anon

    to Glen T
    said by Glen T:

    said by 67845017:

    said by Mele20:

    Don't tell me that anyone who values their privacy will "love" getting applications from the Microsoft store! I won't ever get any from there. I set up a LOCAL user account (over Microsoft's protests) when I first turned on the new Win 8 Pro machine. I have NO intention of ever setting up a Microsoft account.

    I have enough problems with disabling secure boot. I don't need anymore booby traps from Microsoft.

    Isn't that a little over-dramatic? MS doesn't protest to using a local account. They simply give you a couple of options and let you choose which one you want.

    Except that if you choose to have only a local account, you can't access the MS App Store and most of the included MS apps don't work, making the whole Start window concept superfluous.

    You can just add a Microsoft account to store only. While being on local account. It's that simple.
    SipSizzurp
    Fo' Shizzle
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    join:2005-12-28
    Houston, TX

    SipSizzurp to Mele20

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    to Mele20
    said by Mele20:

    The problem with the icons on the desktop on Win 8 is that they are GIGANTIC and will quickly cover the desktop area. They cannot be made smaller, ...I don't want to look at the icons ...especially not gigantic ones.

    Start watching at the 6 minute marker ;

    »www.youtube.com/watch?v= ··· DwWeP9MI
    67845017 (banned)
    join:2000-12-17
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    67845017 (banned) to RazzyW8

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    to RazzyW8
    Yeah, it's really a non-issue. Unless it's made into one.

    plencnerb
    Premium Member
    join:2000-09-25
    53403-1242

    plencnerb to Glen T

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    to Glen T
    said by Glen T:

    Except that if you choose to have only a local account, you can't access the MS App Store and most of the included MS apps don't work, making the whole Start window concept superfluous.

    Really? My test system that I setup, with the instructions that I posted above, had no problem clicking on the "Store" Application, and browsing all of the apps currently available.

    Not to mention, I was running the Weather, News, and Bing Apps without any problems. I was able to go into them, view different items, and so on. I changed the Weather app to show the weather for at least 3 different locations.

    All that done from a LOCAL account on the system.

    --Brian
    Glen T
    join:2003-11-03
    BC

    Glen T

    Member

    Cool. Someday, when I get a couple of hours, I'll read through your setup instructions and give it a try. In the meantime, out the box, with a typical user setup, it doesn't work.

    RazzyW8
    @rr.com

    RazzyW8

    Anon

    said by Glen T:

    Cool. Someday, when I get a couple of hours, I'll read through your setup instructions and give it a try. In the meantime, out the box, with a typical user setup, it doesn't work.

    It does work.

    Kramer
    Mod
    join:2000-08-03
    Richmond, VA

    Kramer to Mele20

    Mod

    to Mele20
    said by Mele20:

    The problem with the icons on the desktop on Win 8 is that they are GIGANTIC and will quickly cover the desktop area. and They cannot be made smaller, that I can find...just as I can't make the systray icons tiny or closer together they sprawl completely across the taskbar...

    Are you talking about the Desktop or the Metro Tiles? To change the icon sizes on the desktop simply click one and roll the mouse wheel while holding the control key. You pretty much have an infinite size range there. As far as the Systray icons, why not just hide the ones you don't need?

    plencnerb
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    53403-1242

    plencnerb to Glen T

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    to Glen T
    said by Glen T:

    Cool. Someday, when I get a couple of hours, I'll read through your setup instructions and give it a try. In the meantime, out the box, with a typical user setup, it doesn't work.

    As I said, my setup instructions are quite long, and still a work in progress for me. But by all means, feel free to use whatever part of them you want for your own build process. That's why I'm sharing them!

    One thing I am trying to figure out if I need is in regards to the IE setting modifications. I primary use Waterfox for my web browser. Since I rarely use IE, why go through the steps to modify an application that I would never use. So, I may take that part out.

    --Brian

    Freddy
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    Arlington, VA

    Freddy to Mele20

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    Mele20,

    You said, "The problem with the icons on the desktop on Win 8 is that they are GIGANTIC and will quickly cover the desktop area."

    Are you referring to the "desktop" or to the "Start" screen? Above is a picture of my "desktop." The icons are the same size as those on prior Windows systems. The "Tiles" on the "Start" screen are larger.

    Freddy

    plencnerb
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    plencnerb

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    Freddy,

    Since Mele20 lives in Hawaii, they won't answer for quite a number of hours. But, I did want to make a comment about screen size that I believe applies to them.

    In all of the threads that I have read, I seem to recall that the user runs a very low end resolution (like 1024 x 768, or 800 x 600). I know in my case on Windows 7, my resolution is 1680 x 1050, and when I was testing Windows 8 (on the same hardware), I was running at 1920 x 1080 without any problems.

    So, that may be why the icons look "Gigantic" on the desktop, as they are running a very low resolution.

    This would also put some reasoning behind the very tiny icons on the taskbar. At that low of a resolution, and with that many icons, they would probably be two or three rows across the bottom of the entire screen if modifications were not made to the icons themselves. To fix that problem in previous versions of the OS, the user modified the icon size and spacing.

    This brings me to a question, that of course only Mele20 can answer. Maybe its time to run at "native" resolution (or one closer up then they are now), and see how things look. If things are good, then problem solved. If not, figure out what changes need to be made. I know things have changed as far as what one can change (text size, icon size, spacing, etc) over the course of the versions of Windows, but I wonder if it would be easier to approach it from that way.

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    This may well be the dumbest question, but I am on win7 pro, will upgrading to win8 pro, decrease my latency? This pc has plenty of punch and the Upgrade Ass't says I am all set to upgrade, but would prefer not to learn a new windows just yet. I am running on fios too.

    Basically looking to speed up from when I hit a key here to when it hits a server in Chicago.

    Thanks

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    Ah, resolution. That could explain the problem. I'm using 1920 x 1080, so I actually need to increase the size of images to make viewing easier.

    Good point. I didn't think of that.

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    Cool. Someday, when I get a couple of hours, I'll read through your setup instructions and give it a try. In the meantime, out the box, with a typical user setup, it doesn't work for me.

    FIFY

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    This may well be the dumbest question, but I am on win7 pro, will upgrading to win8 pro, decrease my latency?

    I don't believe the tcp/ip stack is much changed or changed at all from win7
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    This monitor is a Dell Ultrasharp rated as the best LCD monitor in 2003 by PCWorld and Consumer Reports. It is 19" 5:4 ratio at 1280x1024. It has about 28,000 hours on it and is still great. It is not an "outdated" monitor. Dell still sells these and 20" Ultrasharps to businesses.

    Freddy's icons are gigantic to me. In Vista Ultimate, running currently on a virtual machine, and Win 7 public beta that I had during beta time on a virtual machine, I used Advanced Display, created MY OWN theme and then used Item list to get it just right. On Vista Ultimate, I had to figure out how to import Microsoft Plus! from XP so I could create my own themes or use favorite XP ones. I didn't need Aero because my video card has nView which gives me transparency of the taskbar and all windows and bunch of other great capabilities. The new nVidia card on the W in 8 machine to my horror does not have nView. I went looking for it and learned nVidia is currently providing it only on PROFESSIONAL nVidia cards but nVidia forum moderator has a thread on how to get it off a professional card and installed on regular current nVidia cards so I will try that and have transparency that way.

    Microsoft has denied me these abilities in Windows 8. The Dell USB Keys are here (plane arrived one hour ago) and FedX should be delivering them within the next two hours. I'll then be able to downgrade to Win 7 Pro and do a clean install of it or do a clean install of Win 8 in Legacy Mode. What I did when I had the public beta of Win 7 was go through the hideous accessibility theme and completely redo it so it was as I wanted and then I saved it. The beta Win 7 didn't like saving it and if I had to reboot that virtual machine the beta was on, Win 7 would try to load anything but the theme I had saved...but I read Microsoft fixed that in the release version.

    So, if I install Win 7 Pro, and turn off Aero, then I should be able to have Windows display as I prefer it to display. I should be able to do that on the Desktop part of Win 8 (and that Metro stuff should not even be present on a Desktop computer using Win 8). There are some nice things about Win 8, but display trumps EVERYTHING ELSE and if Microsoft is hell bent on denying me the right to a PLEASING display on Win 8 then I won't use it. It has nothing to do with my monitor and its resolution (which is a perfectly acceptable resolution for a 19" 5:4 ratio LCD monitor). My Video card on the new machine lets me use dual monitors and I may order another Ultrasharp like the one I am using. I don't need a widescreen monitor because I don't watch movies on my computer. For Utube HD videos, I can watch those on my 46" Samsung Smart TV. I have considered purchasing a 24" Dell Ultrasharp widescreen monitor but I think I would prefer two 19 or 20 Ultrasharps instead...I can run one screen across both monitors, etc.

    As for the tray icon size that is controlled by Advanced Display/Item/caption buttons so I can make them like I want. I have correct spacing of the icons also. Microsoft should not take these important aspects of display on a desktop away from users in Win 8. Microsoft should not have taken away the ability of Desktop Sweeper to sweep the Desktop icons into hiding either. I've used it since Windows 95 and I don't think it has been modified since way back then as it simply has worked on every version of Windows until Win 8. You can see from my screenshots that the monitor icon in the systray is green when the desktop icons are hidden and then if I click the monitor icon in the systray it turns blue and all desktop icons are visible. This way I can ENJOY my theme. Why take that away from me in Win 8? As for hiding systray icons, why would I want to do that? They are there so I can access them easily. I don't want to have to unhide them all the time! Nor do I wish to have to unhide to see if one program has disappeared and is not running. I can see in a glance if they are all there and unhidden.

    I have no objection to Microsoft creating a version of Windows that works on tablets and phones. But I do object to them trying to force that on Desktops where it does not belong IMO.

    The only potential fly in the ointment here is that I have seen posts from Dell employees claiming my new video card will not work on Win 7. That doesn't make sense since Dell is obligated to honor my Microsoft downgrade rights from Win8 Pro to Win 7 Pro so they should not have altered the new nVidia card to not work on Win 7. Dell employees seem very confused about downgrade rights, clean installs of Win 8, etc. so I am hoping those remarks are just due to confusion about a new OS, etc.

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    7 Opera desktop icons on your top pix? I'm impressed...
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    This is an old machine. I have a bunch of Opera versions installed on this machine. But I didn't keep any version 9 ones....wish I had. Those were nice.
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    Opera 9.01 here.

    »www.oldversion.com/downl ··· .01.html

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    ... I didn't keep any version 9 ones....wish I had. Those were nice.

    You can always go home... try Opera Archive . Every Opera version you could ever want, back to 3.21.

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    This is cool.......