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Re: [WIN8] Some Observations about Windows 8 said by Glen T:said by Goober:said by Mele20:Don't tell me that anyone who values their privacy will "love" getting applications from the Microsoft store! I won't ever get any from there. I set up a LOCAL user account (over Microsoft's protests) when I first turned on the new Win 8 Pro machine. I have NO intention of ever setting up a Microsoft account.
I have enough problems with disabling secure boot. I don't need anymore booby traps from Microsoft.
Isn't that a little over-dramatic? MS doesn't protest to using a local account. They simply give you a couple of options and let you choose which one you want. Except that if you choose to have only a local account, you can't access the MS App Store and most of the included MS apps don't work, making the whole Start window concept superfluous. You can just add a Microsoft account to store only. While being on local account. It's that simple. |
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said by Mele20:The problem with the icons on the desktop on Win 8 is that they are GIGANTIC and will quickly cover the desktop area. They cannot be made smaller, ...I don't want to look at the icons ...especially not gigantic ones. Start watching at the 6 minute marker ;
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Yeah, it's really a non-issue. Unless it's made into one. |
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said by Glen T:Except that if you choose to have only a local account, you can't access the MS App Store and most of the included MS apps don't work, making the whole Start window concept superfluous.
Really? My test system that I setup, with the instructions that I posted above, had no problem clicking on the "Store" Application, and browsing all of the apps currently available.
Not to mention, I was running the Weather, News, and Bing Apps without any problems. I was able to go into them, view different items, and so on. I changed the Weather app to show the weather for at least 3 different locations.
All that done from a LOCAL account on the system.
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| Cool. Someday, when I get a couple of hours, I'll read through your setup instructions and give it a try. In the meantime, out the box, with a typical user setup, it doesn't work. |
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| said by Glen T:Cool. Someday, when I get a couple of hours, I'll read through your setup instructions and give it a try. In the meantime, out the box, with a typical user setup, it doesn't work.
It does work. |
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said by Mele20:The problem with the icons on the desktop on Win 8 is that they are GIGANTIC and will quickly cover the desktop area. and They cannot be made smaller, that I can find...just as I can't make the systray icons tiny or closer together they sprawl completely across the taskbar...
Are you talking about the Desktop or the Metro Tiles? To change the icon sizes on the desktop simply click one and roll the mouse wheel while holding the control key. You pretty much have an infinite size range there. As far as the Systray icons, why not just hide the ones you don't need? |
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plencnerbPremium
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said by Glen T:Cool. Someday, when I get a couple of hours, I'll read through your setup instructions and give it a try. In the meantime, out the box, with a typical user setup, it doesn't work.
As I said, my setup instructions are quite long, and still a work in progress for me. But by all means, feel free to use whatever part of them you want for your own build process. That's why I'm sharing them! 
One thing I am trying to figure out if I need is in regards to the IE setting modifications. I primary use Waterfox for my web browser. Since I rarely use IE, why go through the steps to modify an application that I would never use. So, I may take that part out.
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Mele20,
You said, "The problem with the icons on the desktop on Win 8 is that they are GIGANTIC and will quickly cover the desktop area."
Are you referring to the "desktop" or to the "Start" screen? Above is a picture of my "desktop." The icons are the same size as those on prior Windows systems. The "Tiles" on the "Start" screen are larger.
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kudos:2 | Freddy,
Since Mele20 lives in Hawaii, they won't answer for quite a number of hours. But, I did want to make a comment about screen size that I believe applies to them.
In all of the threads that I have read, I seem to recall that the user runs a very low end resolution (like 1024 x 768, or 800 x 600). I know in my case on Windows 7, my resolution is 1680 x 1050, and when I was testing Windows 8 (on the same hardware), I was running at 1920 x 1080 without any problems.
So, that may be why the icons look "Gigantic" on the desktop, as they are running a very low resolution.
This would also put some reasoning behind the very tiny icons on the taskbar. At that low of a resolution, and with that many icons, they would probably be two or three rows across the bottom of the entire screen if modifications were not made to the icons themselves. To fix that problem in previous versions of the OS, the user modified the icon size and spacing.
This brings me to a question, that of course only Mele20 can answer. Maybe its time to run at "native" resolution (or one closer up then they are now), and see how things look. If things are good, then problem solved. If not, figure out what changes need to be made. I know things have changed as far as what one can change (text size, icon size, spacing, etc) over the course of the versions of Windows, but I wonder if it would be easier to approach it from that way.
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Ah, resolution. That could explain the problem. I'm using 1920 x 1080, so I actually need to increase the size of images to make viewing easier.
Good point. I didn't think of that.
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said by Glen T:Cool. Someday, when I get a couple of hours, I'll read through your setup instructions and give it a try. In the meantime, out the box, with a typical user setup, it doesn't work for me.
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said by codydog:This may well be the dumbest question, but I am on win7 pro, will upgrading to win8 pro, decrease my latency?
I don't believe the tcp/ip stack is much changed or changed at all from win7
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This monitor is a Dell Ultrasharp rated as the best LCD monitor in 2003 by PCWorld and Consumer Reports. It is 19" 5:4 ratio at 1280x1024. It has about 28,000 hours on it and is still great. It is not an "outdated" monitor. Dell still sells these and 20" Ultrasharps to businesses.
Freddy's icons are gigantic to me. In Vista Ultimate, running currently on a virtual machine, and Win 7 public beta that I had during beta time on a virtual machine, I used Advanced Display, created MY OWN theme and then used Item list to get it just right. On Vista Ultimate, I had to figure out how to import Microsoft Plus! from XP so I could create my own themes or use favorite XP ones. I didn't need Aero because my video card has nView which gives me transparency of the taskbar and all windows and bunch of other great capabilities. The new nVidia card on the W in 8 machine to my horror does not have nView. I went looking for it and learned nVidia is currently providing it only on PROFESSIONAL nVidia cards but nVidia forum moderator has a thread on how to get it off a professional card and installed on regular current nVidia cards so I will try that and have transparency that way.
Microsoft has denied me these abilities in Windows 8. The Dell USB Keys are here (plane arrived one hour ago) and FedX should be delivering them within the next two hours. I'll then be able to downgrade to Win 7 Pro and do a clean install of it or do a clean install of Win 8 in Legacy Mode. What I did when I had the public beta of Win 7 was go through the hideous accessibility theme and completely redo it so it was as I wanted and then I saved it. The beta Win 7 didn't like saving it and if I had to reboot that virtual machine the beta was on, Win 7 would try to load anything but the theme I had saved...but I read Microsoft fixed that in the release version.
So, if I install Win 7 Pro, and turn off Aero, then I should be able to have Windows display as I prefer it to display. I should be able to do that on the Desktop part of Win 8 (and that Metro stuff should not even be present on a Desktop computer using Win 8). There are some nice things about Win 8, but display trumps EVERYTHING ELSE and if Microsoft is hell bent on denying me the right to a PLEASING display on Win 8 then I won't use it. It has nothing to do with my monitor and its resolution (which is a perfectly acceptable resolution for a 19" 5:4 ratio LCD monitor). My Video card on the new machine lets me use dual monitors and I may order another Ultrasharp like the one I am using. I don't need a widescreen monitor because I don't watch movies on my computer. For Utube HD videos, I can watch those on my 46" Samsung Smart TV. I have considered purchasing a 24" Dell Ultrasharp widescreen monitor but I think I would prefer two 19 or 20 Ultrasharps instead...I can run one screen across both monitors, etc.
As for the tray icon size that is controlled by Advanced Display/Item/caption buttons so I can make them like I want. I have correct spacing of the icons also. Microsoft should not take these important aspects of display on a desktop away from users in Win 8. Microsoft should not have taken away the ability of Desktop Sweeper to sweep the Desktop icons into hiding either. I've used it since Windows 95 and I don't think it has been modified since way back then as it simply has worked on every version of Windows until Win 8. You can see from my screenshots that the monitor icon in the systray is green when the desktop icons are hidden and then if I click the monitor icon in the systray it turns blue and all desktop icons are visible. This way I can ENJOY my theme. Why take that away from me in Win 8? As for hiding systray icons, why would I want to do that? They are there so I can access them easily. I don't want to have to unhide them all the time! Nor do I wish to have to unhide to see if one program has disappeared and is not running. I can see in a glance if they are all there and unhidden.
I have no objection to Microsoft creating a version of Windows that works on tablets and phones. But I do object to them trying to force that on Desktops where it does not belong IMO.
The only potential fly in the ointment here is that I have seen posts from Dell employees claiming my new video card will not work on Win 7. That doesn't make sense since Dell is obligated to honor my Microsoft downgrade rights from Win8 Pro to Win 7 Pro so they should not have altered the new nVidia card to not work on Win 7. Dell employees seem very confused about downgrade rights, clean installs of Win 8, etc. so I am hoping those remarks are just due to confusion about a new OS, etc.
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said by Mele20:... I didn't keep any version 9 ones....wish I had. Those were nice.
You can always go home... try Opera Archive . Every Opera version you could ever want, back to 3.21.
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