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peterboro
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Peterborough, ON
reply to dirtyjeffer

Re: I might be in the newspaper tomorrow

From the looks of it in that picture you have an elevated view of their condo units.

If you're lucky it will be student housing and some sexy co-eds will move in sans curtains.



joeblow3

join:2000-12-27
London, ON

Not really suited for a high concentration of students, too far away from Western.

The ones out near Hyde Park and North Rutledge are nice looking units and that's where they should be, near the busy road.



joeblow3

join:2000-12-27
London, ON
reply to joeblow3

Article on the purchase:

»pbdba.lfpress.com/perl-bin/publi···esilence



donoreo
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reply to dirtyjeffer

You look pissed off in that photo

I do have to accuse you of NIMBYism.



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said by donoreo:

You look pissed off in that photo

heh yeah, he doesn't seem pleased. But, I would be pissed too if condo's or apartments starting going up around my house. How Ghetto.

Then all the cars from a hundred unit ghetto complex. Then the noise from all the people and cars.

Yeah I wouldn't be too happy having that in my backyard.

DJ should have bought the land behind him.


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See all that open land back there? In the coming years it will all be developed, you may be fortunate to know the "worst" you need to look at is a townhouse. Or would you rather see a 30 story highrise, 24 hour gas station, drive through fast food joint, metal working plant with industrial shipping docks ?.

Welcome to suburbia.

MaynardKrebs
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said by joeblow3:

The developers run the planning in this city, they hold the city hostage.

This city seems to not listen to neighbours when it's regard zoning changes.

Get over it.
The city is probably just being pragmatic about things, as the developer can simply go to the OMB and get what they want 95% of the time anyway.

MaynardKrebs
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said by dirtyjeffer:

we knew what the land was when we built our house, and figured worst case scenario, we would back on to another house, just as we would if we picked a lot elsewhere in the subdivision...now, instead of backing on to another house, we could end up backing onto a 200+ foot wall of condos, with decks 6 feet in the air...at least with homes, you have a decent amount of space between the back of the home and the fence, as well as some breaks between the buildings.

Bzzzt. You guessed wrong. Oh well.
Maybe you'd like to ask the OSC for your money back for any lousy stocks you picked that went down in price too.


EUS
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reply to dirtyjeffer

I think it's Blue Steel.
Can you turn left?



joeblow3

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London, ON

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reply to MaynardKrebs

There has been several instances around this town where the developers have force the city's hand. One comes to mind where the developer challenged the city by saying that if you don't rezone and let me develop this land I will just cut down all the trees and make a driving range out of it. The city has by-laws in place to protect trees.

Another put in for rezoning to build two apartments, there was considerable debate because it was known as an historical site, the developer sent in dozers and start to clear it before he even had permits. This has happened many times where they start to clear it before permits are even issued.

It easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. The city doesn't care what the neighbourhood's opinion is. MORE TAXES !



dirtyjeffer
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reply to joeblow3

said by joeblow3:

Not really suited for a high concentration of students, too far away from Western.

The ones out near Hyde Park and North Rutledge are nice looking units and that's where they should be, near the busy road.

not really...there are students in our area, and if you go a block south (Aldersbrook and Sarnia) there is a whole subdivision of townhouses that are student rentals...we aren't that far from them.
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dirtyjeffer
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reply to donoreo

said by donoreo:

You look pissed off in that photo

I do have to accuse you of NIMBYism.

that is how i was told to pose.

it isn't NIMBYism, it was simply asking the city to stick to its original zoning, which played a part in us picking our lot when we built our house...since it is likely the zoning change will be approved (we were already told by the councillor it would be), we are simply now asking for our concerns to be addressed regarding the complex.

i'd already considered moving, but everywhere that i would like to move to was $500k and up...many of the people on our street have sold, about 10 homes sold this year alone.
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dirtyjeffer
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said by koira:

See all that open land back there? In the coming years it will all be developed, you may be fortunate to know the "worst" you need to look at is a townhouse. Or would you rather see a 30 story highrise, 24 hour gas station, drive through fast food joint, metal working plant with industrial shipping docks ?.

Welcome to suburbia.

as i said, i would rather see single family homes, since that is what it is zoned for.

and videos are always better :

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx9O6q0pDAU

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reply to dirtyjeffer

Unfortunately that sort of thing (breaking plans and rezoning after the fact) is the status quo around here, the only thing that is more common is the demolition of anything remotely historic.



dirtyjeffer
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said by Thane_Bitter:

Unfortunately that sort of thing (breaking plans and rezoning after the fact) is the status quo around here, the only thing that is more common is the demolition of anything remotely historic.

which is kind of our point...why bother with zoning at all??...perhaps i'll bring that point up tonight at the meeting...might as well save everyone some time and get rid of the Residential, Commercial and Industrial zoning and simply zone everything WE (for whatever).
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Thane_Bitter
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Ha-ha, I think we already have that to some degree.


MaynardKrebs
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said by dirtyjeffer:

it isn't NIMBYism, it was simply asking the city to stick to its original zoning, which played a part in us picking our lot when we built our house...since it is likely the zoning change will be approved (we were already told by the councillor it would be), we are simply now asking for our concerns to be addressed regarding the complex.

No offense, but your concerns are largely irrelevant at this point.

Once a developer has decided to submit a plan for something well past what the city's official plan permits, it's a clear sign that the developer is going to take the application to the OMB to get what the developer wants - and they get what they want @ OMB about 95% of the time.

The city is effectively powerless at this point in regards to the OMB, as are you and your neighbours. If you 'stick' with the city, you will be assimilated. If you (neighbours) go to the OMB independently to object, you will be characterized by the developers lawyers as meddling beyond your rank.

If you want an 8' plank fence, you'll be told by the city that all you can have is a 6' one, as per the bylaw, yet the developer will get what they want via the OMB. Best you can hope for is to ask the developer to include an 8' fence in their OMB application as it's likely to be approved that way.

If you want to be heard, you have to get the OMB abolished, or at the very least influence who sits as commissioners on the OMB - and that's a provincial matter, and that will take years no matter who is in power as developer money fuels a large part of the political process for Liberals/Cons.

My view is that the OMB should not meddle in the development decisions of cities larger than about 250,000 population, unless city council ask them to. At that size, cities have planning departments and full-time councils.


dirtyjeffer
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said by MaynardKrebs:

No offense, but your concerns are largely irrelevant at this point.

as i said, i'm not fighting the re-zoning, it's going to happen...it would just be nice if our concerns were addressed in the plans, that's all...and it's not ME saying this, it is the almost 300 people who signed the petition.

of course, after seeing a 3rd methadone clinic get approved for Wharncliffe Road, i knew this would get approved as well.
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Wolfie00
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reply to dirtyjeffer

To be fair, they're not changing a major zoning designation of that kind. Condos are still residential -- it's not like they were building a cement factory behind you! I don't blame you for being a little pissed off but as they say, shit happens. You could have ended up backing on to a nice detached house that was occupied by the Loud Family (as featured on SNL ). That's life. It's nice to back on to vacant land but you knew it wouldn't be that way forever.



dirtyjeffer
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said by Wolfie00:

It's nice to back on to vacant land but you knew it wouldn't be that way forever.

the land was owned by the church...it wasn't simply a field that would someday be built on (unless the church wanted to put something there)...the church's plans included a variety of possibilities, but in the end (around 2008), they decided they didn't need that chunk of land and sold it...the developer who bought it purchased it to fill it up with townhouses...we all realize the church is free to sell extra land they decide they no longer need/want, that's isn't our beef...our beef is what is going back there...as i said, why even bother with zoning it at all, if it can be changed on a whim.
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peterboro
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reply to dirtyjeffer

I guess as posted earlier an empty lot is an invitation to trouble if you abut it.

I put up an 8 foot fence several years ago at my own expense of several thousand dollars to negate the "Sandford and Son" hillbillies behind me.

I even encroached 6" into my lot so no dispute on boundary would ensue.



dirtyjeffer
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said by peterboro:

I guess as posted earlier an empty lot is an invitation to trouble if you abut it.

i understand that.

the original plans (when we built our home) was the church was going to fill the north side of the land with soccer fields and perhaps a community center for the church...however, the church decided instead to build a really large church that included everything incorporated into one building (rather than a church structure, and separate structure of other uses)...they have put in some soccer fields, but since they longer needed to build a separate structure, they sold the land.

there is plenty of partially built on land around here that is already zoned for medium density...they should be using that land, which looks somewhat dumpy, as it is already serviced and shovel ready, but just sitting there unused and "messy"...it isn't a "dump", but certainly not nice looking for the residents that live there and everyone else to see it.

this is what it looked like a couple of years ago (not too bad):
»maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=43.···,,0,2.72

but since then there has been piles of dirt and some construction materials (paving stones, bricks, etc) dumped in various spots, along with overgrown with weeds, etc.

here is the other lot, which has since been selling single detached homes, since no one was buying the condos after the "Phase I" stage:

»maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=43.···.42,,0,0

this lot has recently been purchased and is once again seeing some construction...it has looked like this for over 5 years:
»maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=43.···,,0,8.75

this lot is now full of units, but only about 50-60% are sold (likely, when you buy it, you pick your flooring/paint colours and the finishing touches are done), but no street view is available:
»maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=43.···t=h&z=19

and this development, which has almost half of the land "just there", and has been this way for the past 5+ years:
»maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=42.···,,0,5.86

that's why i said, there is no need to develop this land into more townhouses, since the ones already here aren't selling...it is nothing but a cash grab by the city, as the 102 units will likely pull in $300,000/year in tax revenues (which is why they will push it through).

if they were smart, they would encourage development of land like this:
»maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=42.···6,,0,3.4

this large parcel of land is already serviced, is currently zoned for industrial, but could easily be changed (since zoning doesn't mean shit around here anyway) and this land has been for sale by the city for about 2-3 years now...the price??...free...just pay the back taxes (which last i heard were about $700k)...perhaps that is even negotiable...they could even put in a decent highrise or brownstone complex that would look really nice for that area, fit with their revitalization planning for that neighbourhood and provide housing for people who would even benefit from public transportation and quick easy access to downtown (a 5 minute bus ride).
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peterboro
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reply to dirtyjeffer

As I consider this obnoxious blight infringing on your carefully orchestrated life it makes my insignificant problems with my old house seem tranquil by comparison. After all I can fix anything on my own land but I have no control beyond those boundaries. When I was searching for a house in university I picked the most run down dump on the biggest lot in a nice neighborhood.



dirtyjeffer
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said by peterboro:

When I was searching for a house in university I picked the most run down dump on the biggest lot in a nice neighborhood.

i think elwood did the same thing, he just hasn't got around to finishing it up ...unfortunately, i'm not handy like you, so buying some dump and paying someone (with no idea of who is good) to renovate it isn't really an option...i just know i'd end up on "Holmes on Holmes".
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Warez_Zealot

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Vancouver
reply to dirtyjeffer

said by dirtyjeffer:

said by donoreo:

You look pissed off in that photo

I do have to accuse you of NIMBYism.

that is how i was told to pose.

it isn't NIMBYism, it was simply asking the city to stick to its original zoning, which played a part in us picking our lot when we built our house...since it is likely the zoning change will be approved (we were already told by the councillor it would be), we are simply now asking for our concerns to be addressed regarding the complex.

i'd already considered moving, but everywhere that i would like to move to was $500k and up...many of the people on our street have sold, about 10 homes sold this year alone.

Problem is the city is being greedy. They are changing the zoning next door to me (for a 40 townhouse unit), and the amount of money that the developer pays the city is quite a lot. The city is also selling some of their land to the developer at a pretty high price too. So basically it's a conflict of interest having the city actually hear your case. It should be an impartial board of volunteers who are impartial and not associated with either the city or the developers.

I wish you good luck in your battle and hope you can stick it to em'!!!!
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"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it."-Malcolm X


MaynardKrebs
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said by Warez_Zealot:

It should be an impartial board of volunteers who are impartial and not associated with either the city or the developers.

You've just described the OMB, except they get paid.

funny0

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said by dirtyjeffer:

I received a call from an LFP reporter yesterday about a proposed zoning change that is going through on some land behind my house. I spoke to him for about 20 minutes or so, and he asked if he could send a photographer by to get a couple of pictures. The photographer came by earlier and grabbed some photos of me and the land (I was thinking of giving him a Blue Steel or Magnum look, but it wasn't that kind of photo shoot ).

I am not sure if/when the story will run (I guess tomorrow, but am not sure). I think we were contacted as my wife and I started a petition about the proposed changes, as well as to get more clarity on what is being done with the land and how our privacy concerns will be addressed. We will be attending the meeting at City Hall tomorrow night.

make sure you moon them and on each cheek put harper on one side and the word USA on other...
ROFL


dirtyjeffer
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well, that was a 4 hour wait at city hall...me thinks they do that on purpose in hopes people go home...in the end (as i suspected), the approved the changes, but one of the councillors did require the developer to factor in several of our requests.


peterboro
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Do you get to build an uber fence like me?

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