McBane
join:2008-08-22
Plano, TX | reply to Bob
Re: Verizon is using Sandy as an excuse to force people to FiOS We should direct the AT&T U-Verse people to this thread for them to preach how much of a blessing it is to have fiber to the house over LTE and DSL. |
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said by danclan:We have addressed it, repeatedly.
Just because granny is on fiber and loses power does not automatically mean if granny was on copper she would still have service, that is and will be forever an incorrect assumption and conclusion. By addressed it you mean people have put forth their opinion as fact and had decided they make decisions for everyone?
Thanks for boiling it down. It does look like we agree on something. There is no 100% reliable network - stuff happens. What we aren't agreeing on is how reliable and available for the end user the nation's critical infrastructure should be.
With all of the inherent improvements that fiber brings that you've cited you somehow feel it's okay for the our future infrastructure to be less reliable than it is today. Between advances in technology and all of the money that we spend on it, shouldn't we instead expect a more reliable network than technology allowed for 50 years ago?
I'd really love to hear your reasoning on why not. |
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 alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | reply to Bob
said by Bob:said by CGMason14:said by alchav:Companies like Verizon have to use their Resources wisely, and Fiber and FiOS is the Future.
Not if you live in an area that hasn't had FiOS built out. A friend of mine in Piscataway, NJ is still waiting for it even though the CO that serves his house is live and three blocks over has fiber. My CO has Fios. The people across the street have Fios. But Verizon has decided I am unworthy, and will never, ever be able to get Fios. Verizon would prefer I give my money to Cablevision. There must be a good reason you don't have FiOS, you have to ask a Verizon Field Tech or Supervisor. Then find out how many houses and people in your neighborhood don't have FiOS but want it. If you have a few homes that want FiOS, but don't have it you can go to Verizon in Force and I'm sure they will listen. You have to talk to the right people at Verizon and organize yourselves properly to do this. Verizon is a Company and they want your Business, but what happens is they lay Fiber and no one buys it, so deployment is stopped until they get information that someone wants FiOS. |
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BobAccount deleted
join:2012-07-22
New Jersey Reviews:
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| said by alchav:Verizon is a Company and they want your Business, Obviously not. We (as a neighborhood of 100 units) have contacted Verizon officials (I believe at the Vice President level) and they've said they will not install Fios at our location, even though the neighborhood across the street has it.
So, Cablevision continues to rake-in the big bucks. |
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I've got 2 things technologies thats might satisfy you:
#1. Place all POTS lines in liquid nitrogen to make them superconducting. not very practical.
#2. Scientists are working on this holy grail Hypothetical material known as a super conductor at room temperature. brb its in my time machine
Im here not because fios is "cool". Nor am i just slightly passionate about technology. technology is my life. Im here with 3 yrs of physics + double major in computer science and applied mathematics to share with you that fiber is our best viable technology currently available that im aware of. And that in totality it is more reliable. really sorry you went 21 cumulative days without fios phone. sincerely im sorry but it seems theres not much i or anyone else can really do for you. I think you can probably find more useful real world problems to address. |
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BobAccount deleted
join:2012-07-22
New Jersey Reviews:
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| said by chomper87:Im here with 3 yrs of physics + double major in computer science and applied mathematics to share with you that fiber is our best viable technology currently available that im aware of. If it's so great, why has Verizon decided that the vast majority of its customers will never get Fios? |
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| I cant defend Verizons business descions. I dont work for them - even though they offered me a job, i chose to work elsewhere.
But faced with the tremendous growth and demand in 4G/LTE and the immense profits associated with wireless, thats what Verizon is doing. same as ATT.
Both companies do some questionable things such as lobby for laws to prevent a community or municipal based network. |
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BobAccount deleted
join:2012-07-22
New Jersey | In NJ, Verizon lobbied for a state-wide Fios franchise. They got it, then proceeded to NOT wire most of the state. |
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 danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | said by Bob:In NJ, Verizon lobbied for a state-wide Fios franchise. They got it, then proceeded to NOT wire most of the state.
To answer both your questions: Wireless. They would rather invest in that than continue to run ground lines and replace the last mile. It makes sense to the customer, IF you can deliver the wireless speeds and service, otherwise its just a cash grab.
I would rather see us as a nation have 100% fiber than the hodge podge of whats in play today. I feel for those who will be stuck with copper/coax for the next 25 more years, and can only hope wireless services truly take off. |
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BobAccount deleted
join:2012-07-22
New Jersey | Can wireless really provide the TV plus 50/8 Mbps low-latency Internet that the cable company provides? |
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | said by Bob:Can wireless really provide the TV plus 50/8 Mbps low-latency Internet that the cable company provides?
I don't believe they will offer it like that, the predictions are that Ala cart TV and On demand will take over as subscription based TV dies a slow death so you basically pay as you go or only get one channel at a time.
I have a hard time seeing this as being practical with millions of devices attempting to wireless stream unique channels, but there maybe some clever person who is thinking of or thought of that solution already.
I for one prefer my hard line and will until im forced to abandon it. |
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batsonaMaryland
join:2004-04-17
Ellicott City, MD Reviews:
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In my opinion, the decision they had to make was a simple one, but it does indeed have impact. Instead of spending $$ to put copper back into place, they're spending that money to move fwd to fiber. That decision is easy. But: the impact is all the plan changes & billing changes that need to be done, to carry this out on a customer-level. Incompetent billing is not the subject of this thread, but probably is a concern, moving ~10,000+ people to FIOS in one swing of the bat.
Another concern, is how copper is regulated, and fiber is not. I would venture to say that the 'avg' cost of FIOS for the 10 years between 2005 and 2015 will probably double. This is totally out of whack with the Consumer Price Index - nothing else in the economy is doubling in price over that same 10 year period. That only spells greed, I believe. --which is what happens sometimes, w/o regulation. |
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 PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | POTS (over copper or FIOS fiber) is regulated.
DSL, FIOS internet and FIOS TV are not regulated and never were.
FIOS Digital Voice (which is VOIP) is not regulated
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 PoloDudePremium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
Northport, NY
kudos:3 | reply to CGMason14
The trouble with copper »www.theverge.com/2012/11/17/3655···ne-sandy |
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batsonaMaryland
join:2004-04-17
Ellicott City, MD | reply to PhoenixDown
There are laws in place that force VZ to allow other carriers to use their copper to sell services to residential customers. The same is not true for FiOS. --When FIOS goes in, only VZ can sell services over that fiber.... |
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PhoenixDown-- Wants FIOSPremium
join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1 | reply to CGMason14
That's not entirely correct - Verizon still provides "unbundled network elements" over fiber -- it's just that they haven't made a dslam that provides anything more than 144k DSL over it. |
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danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | reply to PoloDude
Those photos are all the evidence folks should need to see why copper has to go....great find polo |
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Good riddens copper. This shall save Verzion a lot more money thne having to upkeep copper as well. |
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said by McBane:We should direct the AT&T U-Verse people to this thread for them to preach how much of a blessing it is to have fiber to the house over LTE and DSL.
Someone has. I used to have FiOS in the Tampa Bay area. Now I'm stuck on AT&T's converged service, over copper, in SW Ohio.
I wish Verizon could swoop in and force me to subscribe to FiOS again! |
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 JackarinoPremium
join:2006-12-28
Allendale, NJ
kudos:1 | reply to CGMason14
Good plan |
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