pipigorUndecided
join:2000-04-12
Brooklyn, NY | reply to CGMason14
Re: Verizon is using Sandy as an excuse to force people to FiOS my parents were hit by sandy... their current bill would be twice as much if they would sing up for fios. how is that possible? |
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| This thread is kinda funny, POT's is more reliable than fiber? Do you know how many times VZ workers have to change the copper pairs at both my location and at the CO because of the unreliability of the copper. The only bad part with my Fios experience, we have bad power and the plug the battery backup is plugged into is a GFCI and it was constantly getting tripped when we had sags in power. 8 Hr backup time? I think mine was down for at least a day of course internet and tv didn't work but the phone still does.
Fiber has a lower TCO than copper plus, just like the cable company, the government can not have as much control as they do copper. |
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said by pipigor:my parents were hit by sandy... their current bill would be twice as much if they would sing up for fios. how is that possible?
For phone and/or Internet? I was under the impression that in either case the price was supposed to be the same for either a year or two anyway? |
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said by vze089 :This thread is kinda funny, POT's is more reliable than fiber? Do you know how many times VZ workers have to change the copper pairs at both my location and at the CO because of the unreliability of the copper. The only bad part with my Fios experience, we have bad power and the plug the battery backup is plugged into is a GFCI and it was constantly getting tripped when we had sags in power. 8 Hr backup time? I think mine was down for at least a day of course internet and tv didn't work but the phone still does.
Fiber has a lower TCO than copper plus, just like the cable company, the government can not have as much control as they do copper.
first of all it's POTS not POT's. Second there are advantages and disadvantages to fiber and copper. |
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 PoloDudePremium,VIP
join:2006-03-29
Northport, NY
kudos:3 | Besides the power needs of FiOS, Please list the other advantages/ dis-advantages of each. |
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pipigorUndecided
join:2000-04-12
Brooklyn, NY | reply to jcondon8
you were under wrong impression.. |
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Gres7
join:2001-03-05
Brooklyn, NY | Speaking of reliability FioS vs Copper.
In my household I have 2 copper lines and 1 Fios line.
During Sandy: Using my FiOS line- I could NOT dial anywhere!
I was getting busy signal right after dialing last digit. And people could not get through to me as line was busy! Very annoying (and good luck trying to reach Fios people at that time).
At same time -I had ZERO problem on my copper lines IN or OUT.
List your pro/cons as much as you want, copper is here to stay in my house. |
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| untill they force migrate you to fiber and you wont have a choice. they did it in Bartonsville, Texas and also in wesley chapel fl.
»www.fiercetelecom.com/story/veri···11-08-12 |
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 danclan
join:2005-11-01
Midlothian, VA | reply to Gres7
said by Gres7:List your pro/cons as much as you want, copper is here to stay in my house.
Not really no, the all fiber infrastructure is coming whether you like it or not. Copper is dying, slowly and surely. |
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BobAccount deleted
join:2012-07-22
New Jersey Reviews:
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| said by danclan:said by Gres7:List your pro/cons as much as you want, copper is here to stay in my house.
Not really no, the all fiber infrastructure is coming whether you like it or not. Copper is dying, slowly and surely. Wrong. Verizon has said they'll never, ever give us Fios, even though it's available 600 feet from here. |
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| i have to agree...it prob isnt coming either. but if they wanted to they could force migrate you. they are doing it on the jersey shore. hence this thread. |
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I got the same letter, and called about it. Verizon is not replacing copper if damaged in any way, and is hoping to require all copper users to go to fiber. I was told that the reason is the bottom line: house calls to fix copper-related problems are being phased out, and replaced by a central help desk for fiber. The permanent dial tone with copper is accomplished via standby batteries at central stations where there are also standby generators to keep those batteries charged. That is true, by the way. I lost landline dial tone for about 20 minutes early in Sandy, then it was restored. I'm in a suburb, so, unfortunately, this upgrade was the final reason to install a standby generator, which is expensive. The other straw is that my basement dry well fills up with water during monster rains, so I need to put a portable sump pump into the dry well - but the pump requires electricity. Incidentally, I have my own Netgear Ethernet router, with an Actiontec MI424WR-E between it and the COAX cable. The solution to using both turned out to be simple: put them on separate IPv4 subnets, and run a CAT5 (or CAT6) cable from a LAN port on the Actiontec router to the WAN port on the Netgear router. I configured the Actiontec's IP address and IP Distribution range to use subnet "2" by changing the 3rd octet from 1 to 2. In plain English, that means that the Actiontec's IP address is now 192.168.2.1, and the addresses it assigns to computers plugged into its LAN ports start with 192.168.2.2 and increment. The Netgear router's address continues to be 192.168.1.1, and computers plugged into it are assigned addresses from 192.168.1.2 on. Each router has a DHCP, but they play well together, because they work on separate subnets. It took several calls to FIOS solutions to figure this out, but it works wonderfully, and is really simple. |
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Re: Verizon is using Sandy as an excuse to force people to FiOS said by jricha83 : I was told that the reason is the bottom line: house calls to fix copper-related problems are being phased out, and replaced by a central help desk for fiber. The real reason is that the copper techs are all union, and the FIOS techs are not.
It's about gaining monopoly control over the network (no pesky telco regs), and busting unions. |
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| said by VirtualLarry:said by jricha83 : I was told that the reason is the bottom line: house calls to fix copper-related problems are being phased out, and replaced by a central help desk for fiber. The real reason is that the copper techs are all union, and the FIOS techs are not. It's about gaining monopoly control over the network (no pesky telco regs), and busting unions. copper and fios techs are both union. real reason is vz doesnt want to maintain 2 parallel networks. if u owned vz would u want to pay to maintain copper and fiber? |
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| Bottom line;
Copper is regulated
Fiber is unregulated
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"My hat, my cane, Jeeves". |
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 PathfinderDazed ConfusedPremium
join:2000-03-26
Mount Vernon, NY
 ·Verizon FiOS
·RoadRunner Cable
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said by VirtualLarry:said by jricha83 : I was told that the reason is the bottom line: house calls to fix copper-related problems are being phased out, and replaced by a central help desk for fiber. The real reason is that the copper techs are all union, and the FIOS techs are not. It's about gaining monopoly control over the network (no pesky telco regs), and busting unions. There are not two separate entities. A tech is a tech. They are all union. |
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jophanPremium
join:2009-07-12
Jenkintown, PA | reply to Miataman
Bottom line;
Copper is regulated
Fiber is unregulated
Also not entirely true. It depends on the services you have. POTS is regulated, DSL is not. If you transfer to FiOS for maintenance reasons and resist being upsold to a package, your voice will still be regulated and the data will still be non-reg. |
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tito79
join:2010-03-14
Brewster, NY | reply to CGMason14
All Verizon techs, installers, repair are union. |
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