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tubbynet
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

said by howardfine:

I don't understand this "serious work" which apparently some think can't be done on an iPad. I had some service work done yesterday on my furnace. The guy completed the work order, charged my credit card and emailed me the receipt using his iPad. I almost took his picture to show people cause there was another thread somewhere about this.

i agree wholeheartedly.
i am tied deep into the apple ecosystem -- iphone5, ipad2, 2011 13" mba (i7 model, 4gb, 256ssd).
i work in network consulting for a very large cisco gold partner. most of my day to day work involves meetings, with my nights consisting of network device configurations, documentation, and heavy duty network diagrams.

for most of my work and small changes -- my ipad2 works great. notes, recordings, even network changes via anyconnect with an ssh app.
for my diagrams -- i use my mba both natively with omnigraffle and running a small win7x32 vm in fusion. it has all the power i need to do what i need to do.

i do have a linux beast of a laptop (hp8560p, i7@2.6, 16gb ram, 256ssd with 500gb spindle in cd bay) for when i am concurrently running 3 or 4 vms for a demo or tricky deployment work -- but most of the time it sits on its docking station in my home office -- since it breaks my back to carry and run around a facility with.

my two bits.

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I'm helping drive my own thread off topic here but I think "serious work" depends on the exact job being done and the apps/tools available. All work can be "serious work" of course but there are things like heavy graphics, number crunching, software development, disconnected networks, etc are still much better on a desktop. It's just about the right tool for the right job.

There may/will come a time in the future where that changes. We would need better networks, better apps and more processing support in the cloud.

And back on topic, I'm liking WP8 enough now that I'm missing my iPhone less. Though it is making a nice iPod touch now.


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said by WhyMe420:

Regardless of what the fandroids say I love my iPad 2 and my iPhone 4S. They do everything I need to do and for the more "serious" work I use my Sandy Bridge laptop with Windows 7 or my 2600K @ 4.3GHz with GTX 660 SLI beast that has Win7/Win8.

Really? I don't own one, nice try though. I have had an iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, and am typing this on my 4s.
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You are not being ganged up on, just pointing out that some operator error seems to be the case.

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said by howardfine:

said by WhyMe420:

Regardless of what the fandroids say I love my iPad 2 and my iPhone 4S. They do everything I need to do and for the more "serious" work I use my Sandy Bridge laptop with Windows 7 or my 2600K @ 4.3GHz with GTX 660 SLI beast that has Win7/Win8.

I don't understand this "serious work" which apparently some think can't be done on an iPad. I had some service work done yesterday on my furnace. The guy completed the work order, charged my credit card and emailed me the receipt using his iPad. I almost took his picture to show people cause there was another thread somewhere about this.

In that other thread I also mentioned how I use the iPad in my work but I also have two clients. One is a regional hospital that uses iPads throughout by doctors, nurses and office personnel, and a restaurant that uses iPads as cash registers.

All of that IS "serious work" unless what was meant was you needed more horsepower but, in that case, using a Mac with OSX (that's a Unix operating system) is far more serious than a Windows PC.

Notice that I said MORE serious work. It's great that you THINK that a Mac is more "serious" but I'd like to see anyone with a 4.3GHz i7 MAC with dual GPUs for any reasonable amount of money. Besides, if I cared at all about Mac OS I could easily turn either of my Windows machines into Hackintoshes. I wasn't trying to turn this into Mac vs Windows. I was just saying that I like my Apple phone/tablet but typing long documents and doing CPU/GPU-intensive tasks are far better on my Windows machines.

said by ptrowski:

said by WhyMe420:

Regardless of what the fandroids say I love my iPad 2 and my iPhone 4S. They do everything I need to do and for the more "serious" work I use my Sandy Bridge laptop with Windows 7 or my 2600K @ 4.3GHz with GTX 660 SLI beast that has Win7/Win8.

Really? I don't own one, nice try though. I have had an iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, and am typing this on my 4s.

I was neither talking to you nor about you. Notice that my reply was for the OP. Nice try though.


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said by WhyMe420:

It's great that you THINK that a Mac is more "serious" but I'd like to see anyone with a 4.3GHz i7 MAC with dual GPUs for any reasonable amount of money.


Obviously you are one of those who only buys on price without regard to value in return or you are unaware of the value you get in a Mac over a Windows PC. But I've already listed all the value added you get in a Mac in many threads before.

btw, I own no Apple products other than a first generation iPad that was given to me for Christmas.

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said by howardfine:

said by WhyMe420:

It's great that you THINK that a Mac is more "serious" but I'd like to see anyone with a 4.3GHz i7 MAC with dual GPUs for any reasonable amount of money.


Obviously you are one of those who only buys on price without regard to value in return or you are unaware of the value you get in a Mac over a Windows PC. But I've already listed all the value added you get in a Mac in many threads before.

btw, I own no Apple products other than a first generation iPad that was given to me for Christmas.

Mhmm... Yet you are the one that feels the need to "prove" or "state" how Macs are more "serious" when I wasn't comparing Macs to Windows at all. Now you're trying to tell me that there is no "value" (or not as much) in the Windows machines I own when compared to Macs. If you don't own Apple Mac products, then you wouldn't know the difference anyway. So tell someone who cares about how much more "serious" Mac products are. Meanwhile I am free to have my opinions. I simply stated that I enjoy the products I own, regardless of what fandroids and macboys say.


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said by WhyMe420:

Mhmm... Yet you are the one that feels the need to "prove" or "state" how Macs are more "serious" when I wasn't comparing Macs to Windows at all.

You replied to my statement so I replied to yours. If you didn't want a response, you should have kept quiet.
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Now you're trying to tell me that there is no "value" (or not as much) in the Windows machines I own when compared to Macs.
How you got "no value" at all out of what I said, I'll never know.
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If you don't own Apple Mac products, then you wouldn't know the difference anyway.
That's like saying I wouldn't know the value of a Ferrari cause I never drove one. Any computer enthusiast can read computer reviews like those from Consumer Reports:
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Apple was the most reliable among desktop brands. It also had the best technical support, so Apple owners are far more likely to have a positive tech-support experience than those with Windows computers.

And any who have experience with how computers work can judge the value of a system based on that.
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So tell someone who cares about how much more "serious" Mac products are. Meanwhile I am free to have my opinions. I simply stated that I enjoy the products I own, regardless of what fandroids and macboys say.

Apparently you cared cause you vented against my "opinion" with yours but don't want me to give mine.

In any case, you said, essentially, Macs cost too much. I said you get what you pay for and, therefore, you receive proper value in return for the purchase price of any Apple product based on reviews and my considerable past experience.


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Fact is you wouldn't know the value of a Ferrari unless you drove one, because knowing the value stems from having experience driving it along with all the other cars in its class. Only then could you really know if that Ferrari model is not only a great car but whether or not it is better than its peers.

Meanwhile talking horsepower in computers is meaningless. I'd rather have a slower machine CPU wise that offers an OS with far superior workflow like I get from OS X. I don't crunch numbers 24'7, my machines rarely see all their cores maxed. If I want to play games I'll do it on my PS3, XBOX or Wii U where the gaming experience is simply superior. I do business work, mostly ACAD and NX along with spreadsheets, endless emailing and PDF doc generation, typical office and M.E. stuff that doesn't require 4.XGHz anything. What it does require is GUI ergonomics and better synergy between apps which Microsoft has NEVER mastered and NEVER will master. Even for video editing, horsepower is largely irrelevant compared to workflow ergonomics. Yeah, big power machines will do the final encode faster but who cares if it takes you 3X longer to actually do the editing in the first place?

Redmond simply doesn't get it. Fact remains I can take a piece of crap well fermented Mac mini and get my WORK done far quicker than I ever could with one of my 6 core PCs, simply because it isn't CPU power that holds back Windows, it is the worst GUI ergonomics in the history of history that kills Windows.

Just yesterday I spent a few hours trying to get JIS keyboard support running in Windows 8 and simply couldn't. Posted in the MS forum and no one has a clue how to get it working. Googled around...lots of people with the same problem, no solutions. OS X, no problem, just plug the KB in and I'm good to go. Language support? No problem, select the language and go, nothing to DL, no menu settings buried somewhere you'll never find them...just go to System Preferences, then lang and text...done. Windows...holy crap. Just try and find the control panel using Windows 8 or any menu if you don't already happen to know the name of it from using previous versions. Try to set Windows 8 to auto login with your UN/PW if you don't know the the adv user menu is netplwiz or whatever it was. They have different settings spread across a gazillion menus. Win 8 looks like it was designed by 50000 people who never saw each other and didn't know what the others were working on. Then they put the pieces into a box and shook it really hard. It looks slick but is the most convoluted thing I've seen. It makes the Winchester House look well organized.

Oh yea, I know, everyone uses Windows. That is because they're largely Crayon eating fools sucked into the Fry's $299 laptop deal but just like McDonald's makes the most burgers, it doesn't mean they're the best...far from it.


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said by skeechan:

Only then could you really know if that Ferrari model is not only a great car but whether or not it is better than its peers.

So you don't know it's a great car? If you do, did you find it out by driving one? How long must you drive one before you determine that. How many cars do you buy before you found a keeper?

Get my point? You learn from others, read study and apply your experience. You didn't walk into Best Buy and buy the first thing on the shelf cause you don't know anything till you try it, do you?

The rest of your post is spot on.

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Don't have time to read walls of text, I'm on my iPad, with friends on a Friday night, but fact of the matter is people on the Internet will argue for any reason they can. I simply stated that I love my iPhone and my iPad, but for more "serious" stuff that requires horsepower such as video encoding, gaming, and the likes I have my powerful Windows machines. If people have a problem with that then so be it. Couldn't care less.


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Nah, you don't know until you have driven it and while driving you will know...when you know. I generally know pretty quick if I like the car I am driving, although the salesman may have white knuckles while I'm figuring it out.

You don't learn a damn thing from others, particularly when it comes to opinion filled reviews. Look at Top Gear...Clarkson, Hammond and Cap'n Slow don't agree on much of anything. Only they know what they think is a great car after they have driven it along with a bunch of other stuff.

The evidence is simple. Do you buy a car without test driving it or do you rely solely on reviews? Why not simply trust the reviews if you believe you can draw conclusions from them? Simple, because they may be wrong. You may not have the same tastes as them.

And no, I don't buy a computer unless I've tried it. I went to the Apple Store and messed around with a rMBP, picked it up, messed with the brightness, opened text edit and typed a bunch on it, poked around the resolution settings to see how the fonts looked...all to see if I liked how it felt. The only thing I didn't get to try was the JIS layout because they don't carry them but the layout is the same as the wireless JIS so I wasn't expecting much different. I'll be looking into ordering a 27" iMac but not until I see one in the store. Not unless something is really cheap am I going to just buy sight unseen and having never tried it, the exception being my Nano and the iPhone 5 and I wouldn't have gotten the iPhone 5 had I known how bad POS6 was...I would have stuck with the iPhone 4 and iOS 5 which works like a champ. I didn't follow my own lessons and I got burned.


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said by WhyMe420:

Don't have time to read walls of text, I'm on my iPad, with friends on a Friday night, but fact of the matter is people on the Internet will argue for any reason they can. I simply stated that I love my iPhone and my iPad, but for more "serious" stuff that requires horsepower such as video encoding, gaming, and the likes I have my powerful Windows machines. If people have a problem with that then so be it. Couldn't care less.

I figured it to mean the difference between smartphones/pads and laptops/workstations. Not so much an attack on Apple.


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We've gone off topic again though. It happens

My main point was there are some good benefits to being in a large and popular technology ecosystem.

But I am loving WP8 and Nokia now. However, accessories for the Nokia 920 are mostly mythological. App availability isn't as bad as pundits would have you believe on their reviews.

I'm keeping my iPhone to use as an Airplay device for streaming music (since airplay rules and dnla sucks) and my son has a few games on it that he really loves.

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That's the beauty if living in America. Freedom of speech, opinions, and choices .

Glad you're now enjoying your WP. That's all that matters . I don't know why some people feel so threatened by other people's choices, maybe low self-esteem?