Topic '[iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd' in forum 'All Things Macintosh' - dslreports.com

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 18:14:18 EDT

WhyMe420 posted : That's the beauty if living in America. Freedom of speech, opinions, and choices :) .

Glad you're now enjoying your WP. That's all that matters :D . I don't know why some people feel so threatened by other people's choices, maybe low self-esteem?

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 13:36:22 EDT

Michail posted : We've gone off topic again though. It happens :)

My main point was there are some good benefits to being in a large and popular technology ecosystem.

But I am loving WP8 and Nokia now. However, accessories for the Nokia 920 are mostly mythological. App availability isn't as bad as pundits would have you believe on their reviews.

I'm keeping my iPhone to use as an Airplay device for streaming music (since airplay rules and dnla sucks) and my son has a few games on it that he really loves.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 13:27:00 EDT

Michail posted :

said by WhyMe420:

Don't have time to read walls of text, I'm on my iPad, with friends on a Friday night, but fact of the matter is people on the Internet will argue for any reason they can. I simply stated that I love my iPhone and my iPad, but for more "serious" stuff that requires horsepower such as video encoding, gaming, and the likes I have my powerful Windows machines. If people have a problem with that then so be it. Couldn't care less.

I figured it to mean the difference between smartphones/pads and laptops/workstations. Not so much an attack on Apple.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 22:10:12 EDT

skeechan posted : Nah, you don't know until you have driven it and while driving you will know...when you know. I generally know pretty quick if I like the car I am driving, although the salesman may have white knuckles while I'm figuring it out.

You don't learn a damn thing from others, particularly when it comes to opinion filled reviews. Look at Top Gear...Clarkson, Hammond and Cap'n Slow don't agree on much of anything. Only they know what they think is a great car after they have driven it along with a bunch of other stuff.

The evidence is simple. Do you buy a car without test driving it or do you rely solely on reviews? Why not simply trust the reviews if you believe you can draw conclusions from them? Simple, because they may be wrong. You may not have the same tastes as them.

And no, I don't buy a computer unless I've tried it. I went to the Apple Store and messed around with a rMBP, picked it up, messed with the brightness, opened text edit and typed a bunch on it, poked around the resolution settings to see how the fonts looked...all to see if I liked how it felt. The only thing I didn't get to try was the JIS layout because they don't carry them but the layout is the same as the wireless JIS so I wasn't expecting much different. I'll be looking into ordering a 27" iMac but not until I see one in the store. Not unless something is really cheap am I going to just buy sight unseen and having never tried it, the exception being my Nano and the iPhone 5 and I wouldn't have gotten the iPhone 5 had I known how bad POS6 was...I would have stuck with the iPhone 4 and iOS 5 which works like a champ. I didn't follow my own lessons and I got burned.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:48:06 EDT

WhyMe420 posted : Don't have time to read walls of text, I'm on my iPad, with friends on a Friday night, but fact of the matter is people on the Internet will argue for any reason they can. I simply stated that I love my iPhone and my iPad, but for more "serious" stuff that requires horsepower such as video encoding, gaming, and the likes I have my powerful Windows machines. If people have a problem with that then so be it. Couldn't care less.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:40:16 EDT

howardfine posted :

said by skeechan:

Only then could you really know if that Ferrari model is not only a great car but whether or not it is better than its peers.

So you don't know it's a great car? If you do, did you find it out by driving one? How long must you drive one before you determine that. How many cars do you buy before you found a keeper?

Get my point? You learn from others, read study and apply your experience. You didn't walk into Best Buy and buy the first thing on the shelf cause you don't know anything till you try it, do you?

The rest of your post is spot on.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:24:24 EDT

skeechan posted : Fact is you wouldn't know the value of a Ferrari unless you drove one, because knowing the value stems from having experience driving it along with all the other cars in its class. Only then could you really know if that Ferrari model is not only a great car but whether or not it is better than its peers.

Meanwhile talking horsepower in computers is meaningless. I'd rather have a slower machine CPU wise that offers an OS with far superior workflow like I get from OS X. I don't crunch numbers 24'7, my machines rarely see all their cores maxed. If I want to play games I'll do it on my PS3, XBOX or Wii U where the gaming experience is simply superior. I do business work, mostly ACAD and NX along with spreadsheets, endless emailing and PDF doc generation, typical office and M.E. stuff that doesn't require 4.XGHz anything. What it does require is GUI ergonomics and better synergy between apps which Microsoft has NEVER mastered and NEVER will master. Even for video editing, horsepower is largely irrelevant compared to workflow ergonomics. Yeah, big power machines will do the final encode faster but who cares if it takes you 3X longer to actually do the editing in the first place?

Redmond simply doesn't get it. Fact remains I can take a piece of crap well fermented Mac mini and get my WORK done far quicker than I ever could with one of my 6 core PCs, simply because it isn't CPU power that holds back Windows, it is the worst GUI ergonomics in the history of history that kills Windows.

Just yesterday I spent a few hours trying to get JIS keyboard support running in Windows 8 and simply couldn't. Posted in the MS forum and no one has a clue how to get it working. Googled around...lots of people with the same problem, no solutions. OS X, no problem, just plug the KB in and I'm good to go. Language support? No problem, select the language and go, nothing to DL, no menu settings buried somewhere you'll never find them...just go to System Preferences, then lang and text...done. Windows...holy crap. Just try and find the control panel using Windows 8 or any menu if you don't already happen to know the name of it from using previous versions. Try to set Windows 8 to auto login with your UN/PW if you don't know the the adv user menu is netplwiz or whatever it was. They have different settings spread across a gazillion menus. Win 8 looks like it was designed by 50000 people who never saw each other and didn't know what the others were working on. Then they put the pieces into a box and shook it really hard. It looks slick but is the most convoluted thing I've seen. It makes the Winchester House look well organized.

Oh yea, I know, everyone uses Windows. That is because they're largely Crayon eating fools sucked into the Fry's $299 laptop deal but just like McDonald's makes the most burgers, it doesn't mean they're the best...far from it.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:25:16 EDT

howardfine posted :

said by WhyMe420:

Mhmm... Yet you are the one that feels the need to "prove" or "state" how Macs are more "serious" when I wasn't comparing Macs to Windows at all.

You replied to my statement so I replied to yours. If you didn't want a response, you should have kept quiet.

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Now you're trying to tell me that there is no "value" (or not as much) in the Windows machines I own when compared to Macs.

How you got "no value" at all out of what I said, I'll never know.

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If you don't own Apple Mac products, then you wouldn't know the difference anyway.

That's like saying I wouldn't know the value of a Ferrari cause I never drove one. Any computer enthusiast can read computer reviews like those from Consumer Reports:

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Apple was the most reliable among desktop brands. It also had the best technical support, so Apple owners are far more likely to have a positive tech-support experience than those with Windows computers.

And any who have experience with how computers work can judge the value of a system based on that.

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So tell someone who cares about how much more "serious" Mac products are. Meanwhile I am free to have my opinions. I simply stated that I enjoy the products I own, regardless of what fandroids and macboys say.

Apparently you cared cause you vented against my "opinion" with yours but don't want me to give mine.

In any case, you said, essentially, Macs cost too much. I said you get what you pay for and, therefore, you receive proper value in return for the purchase price of any Apple product based on reviews and my considerable past experience.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:30:10 EDT

WhyMe420 posted :

said by howardfine:

said by WhyMe420:

It's great that you THINK that a Mac is more "serious" but I'd like to see anyone with a 4.3GHz i7 MAC with dual GPUs for any reasonable amount of money.

Obviously you are one of those who only buys on price without regard to value in return or you are unaware of the value you get in a Mac over a Windows PC. But I've already listed all the value added you get in a Mac in many threads before.

btw, I own no Apple products other than a first generation iPad that was given to me for Christmas.

Mhmm... Yet you are the one that feels the need to "prove" or "state" how Macs are more "serious" when I wasn't comparing Macs to Windows at all. Now you're trying to tell me that there is no "value" (or not as much) in the Windows machines I own when compared to Macs. If you don't own Apple Mac products, then you wouldn't know the difference anyway. So tell someone who cares about how much more "serious" Mac products are. Meanwhile I am free to have my opinions. I simply stated that I enjoy the products I own, regardless of what fandroids and macboys say.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:58:01 EDT

howardfine posted :

said by WhyMe420:

It's great that you THINK that a Mac is more "serious" but I'd like to see anyone with a 4.3GHz i7 MAC with dual GPUs for any reasonable amount of money.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:29:12 EDT

WhyMe420 posted :

said by howardfine:

said by WhyMe420:

Regardless of what the fandroids say I love my iPad 2 and my iPhone 4S. They do everything I need to do and for the more "serious" work I use my Sandy Bridge laptop with Windows 7 or my 2600K @ 4.3GHz with GTX 660 SLI beast that has Win7/Win8.

I don't understand this "serious work" which apparently some think can't be done on an iPad. I had some service work done yesterday on my furnace. The guy completed the work order, charged my credit card and emailed me the receipt using his iPad. I almost took his picture to show people cause there was another thread somewhere about this.

In that other thread I also mentioned how I use the iPad in my work but I also have two clients. One is a regional hospital that uses iPads throughout by doctors, nurses and office personnel, and a restaurant that uses iPads as cash registers.

All of that IS "serious work" unless what was meant was you needed more horsepower but, in that case, using a Mac with OSX (that's a Unix operating system) is far more serious than a Windows PC.

Notice that I said MORE serious work. It's great that you THINK that a Mac is more "serious" but I'd like to see anyone with a 4.3GHz i7 MAC with dual GPUs for any reasonable amount of money. Besides, if I cared at all about Mac OS I could easily turn either of my Windows machines into Hackintoshes. I wasn't trying to turn this into Mac vs Windows. I was just saying that I like my Apple phone/tablet but typing long documents and doing CPU/GPU-intensive tasks are far better on my Windows machines.

said by ptrowski:

said by WhyMe420:

Really? I don't own one, nice try though. I have had an iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, and am typing this on my 4s.

I was neither talking to you nor about you. Notice that my reply was for the OP. Nice try though.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:56:36 EDT

ptrowski posted : You are not being ganged up on, just pointing out that some operator error seems to be the case.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:53:53 EDT

ptrowski posted :

said by WhyMe420:

Really? I don't own one, nice try though. I have had an iPhone 3G, 3GS, 4, and am typing this on my 4s.
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:45:31 EDT

Michail posted : I'm helping drive my own thread off topic here but I think "serious work" depends on the exact job being done and the apps/tools available. All work can be "serious work" of course but there are things like heavy graphics, number crunching, software development, disconnected networks, etc are still much better on a desktop. It's just about the right tool for the right job.

There may/will come a time in the future where that changes. We would need better networks, better apps and more processing support in the cloud.

And back on topic, I'm liking WP8 enough now that I'm missing my iPhone less. Though it is making a nice iPod touch now.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:53:22 EDT

tubbynet posted :

said by howardfine:

i agree wholeheartedly.
i am tied deep into the apple ecosystem -- iphone5, ipad2, 2011 13" mba (i7 model, 4gb, 256ssd).
i work in network consulting for a very large cisco gold partner. most of my day to day work involves meetings, with my nights consisting of network device configurations, documentation, and heavy duty network diagrams.

for most of my work and small changes -- my ipad2 works great. notes, recordings, even network changes via anyconnect with an ssh app.
for my diagrams -- i use my mba both natively with omnigraffle and running a small win7x32 vm in fusion. it has all the power i need to do what i need to do.

i do have a linux beast of a laptop (hp8560p, i7@2.6, 16gb ram, 256ssd with 500gb spindle in cd bay) for when i am concurrently running 3 or 4 vms for a demo or tricky deployment work -- but most of the time it sits on its docking station in my home office -- since it breaks my back to carry and run around a facility with.

my two bits.

q.
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 08:31:03 EDT

norbert26 posted :

said by howardfine:

said by norbert26:

I was having issues with the OS as well with pop ups this APP stopped working and that APP stopped working. The APPS were bloat ware force installed by the carrier

We have four Droids with Verizon for several years and have never witnessed that.

slacker, kindle and a few others which i forgot. I never even used these APPS or interacted with them. I would simply receive a pop up saying the APP had stopped . It is becoming more and more apparent that this is NOT the norm for this phone. The one i received was a lemon. Also at random times i would hear a recording saying "verizon wireless" (out phone's speaker) but there was NO call or text coming in.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:48:07 EDT

howardfine posted :

said by WhyMe420:

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:40:23 EDT

howardfine posted :

said by norbert26:

I was having issues with the OS as well with pop ups this APP stopped working and that APP stopped working. The APPS were bloat ware force installed by the carrier

We have four Droids with Verizon for several years and have never witnessed that.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 06:46:34 EDT

norbert26 posted : Geeze. Ganged up on by Fandroids ! Please forgive me that the last time i had to use a SIM card was over 10 years ago when it went in the battery compartment. Its not my fault the carrier did NOT preinstall the SIM card (they installed the microSD card that went behind the same door) . If that was not possible either a pull tab or some clear instructions on how to open the door would have been nice. My point about the door is the phone was off to a bad start right out of the box. If i am at fault for anything here it is stupidity of ordering online. Had i got the phone from a brick and mortar store the card would have been installed. regardless of the sim card as i said the phone needed rooting and i honestly did not wish to put time and effort into doing so. The folks that said iPhone 5 win this round OR i'll just wait a while 5s will come along .

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:05:40 EDT

WhyMe420 posted : Regardless of what the fandroids say I love my iPad 2 and my iPhone 4S. They do everything I need to do and for the more "serious" work I use my Sandy Bridge laptop with Windows 7 or my 2600K @ 4.3GHz with GTX 660 SLI beast that has Win7/Win8.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:52:07 EDT

ptrowski posted :

said by norbert26:

said by ptrowski:

May sound silly, but the fact you had issues installing the sim card is the Android os's fault? Doubtful.

As for Apple support, I have always heard they help out of warranty but when I had an issue with a sticky iPhone 4 button 2 months out of warranty they calibrated it, took it out back, said they they could see the issue, realize other people had issues with the home button as well, but wanted $150. I guess I was not the lucky one.

I was having issues with the OS as well with pop ups this APP stopped working and that APP stopped working. The APPS were bloat ware force installed by the carrier if i kept the phone i would have rooted it if possible however i had other things to worry about beyond getting that phone in order.........like work.

Sounds like the carriers install their own crap.
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:40:10 EDT

Dodge posted :

said by norbert26:

......
I was having issues with the OS as well with pop ups this APP stopped working and that APP stopped working. The APPS were bloat ware force installed by the carrier if i kept the phone i would have rooted it if possible however i had other things to worry about beyond getting that phone in order.........like work.

As someone who has Droid Razr Maxx, I'm getting a feeling you were going into the "Droid" experience looking for an excuse to go back to an iPhone.

I'll admit the sim/sd card door on the Razr series is not the most convenient, however since you'll most likely have to open it once to put the cards in, not a big issue. The fact that you managed to scratch the phone while trying to open it makes me think that you were trying to pry it with something metal and from the wrong end (hinge side).

As far as the software, Droid Razr series doesn't have a lot of bloatware, and whatever it did have can be either uninstalled or disabled by a single screen touch and drag.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:21:59 EDT

Cheese posted : Sounds like a PEBKAC issue... :uhh:

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:16:25 EDT

Cheese posted : So, you basically couldn't put a SIM card in right and that's the fault of the phone? :uhh:

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 12:07:19 EDT

darcilicious posted :

said by Majestik:

said by not quite right:

said by norbert26:

I do NOT like the iPhone 5 either and do not know where to move forward phone wise from here.

Not sure what's not to like in the iPhone 5. It really is a great phone.

I've had it for over a week now and I'm really happy with it.

Overall, I'm very happy with it too (upgraded from an iPhone 4). The screen is almost too tall (I like to "cradle" the phone in my hand by resting it on my pinky and with my small hands, it's *almost* impossible to reach the far top corner of the screen) but I for on LIKE the lightning cable -- no more worrying about which way it goes it, it doesn't pop out easily, and has been working like a champ. I don't care much one way or the other about where the headphone jack is.
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:24:40 EDT

Majestik posted :

said by not quite right:

said by norbert26:

I do NOT like the iPhone 5 either and do not know where to move forward phone wise from here.

Not sure what's not to like in the iPhone 5. It really is a great phone.

I've had it for over a week now and I'm really happy with it.
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:58:53 EDT

Michail posted :

said by norbert26:

said by not quite right:

said by norbert26:

I do NOT like the iPhone 5 either and do not know where to move forward phone wise from here.

Not sure what's not to like in the iPhone 5. It really is a great phone.

screen too long/tall . headphone jack moved to the bottom. don't like the lightning connector. Why didn't they just go with the micro USB other phones use ?

I actually like the jack to be on the bottom. That way it's not an octopus of cables. My new phone has it on the top though.

Anyway, I'm liking the Lumia 920 and WP8 more and more every day but I still miss being part of the herd.

I still keep my iPhone around to have airplay support and few iOS only apps.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:50:07 EDT

Michail posted :

said by ptrowski:

As for Apple support, I have always heard they help out of warranty but when I had an issue with a sticky iPhone 4 button 2 months out of warranty they calibrated it, took it out back, said they they could see the issue, realize other people had issues with the home button as well, but wanted $150. I guess I was not the lucky one.

That's the same issue I had fixed for $30 at a local smartphone repair shop. These places are well stocked in iPhone parts and the parts aren't that expensive either.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:45:38 EDT

norbert26 posted :

said by not quite right:

said by norbert26:

I do NOT like the iPhone 5 either and do not know where to move forward phone wise from here.

Not sure what's not to like in the iPhone 5. It really is a great phone.

screen too long/tall . headphone jack moved to the bottom. don't like the lightning connector. Why didn't they just go with the micro USB other phones use ?

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:42:47 EDT

not quite right posted :

said by norbert26:

I do NOT like the iPhone 5 either and do not know where to move forward phone wise from here.

Not sure what's not to like in the iPhone 5. It really is a great phone.
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:39:21 EDT

norbert26 posted :

said by ptrowski:

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:28:19 EDT

ptrowski posted : May sound silly, but the fact you had issues installing the sim card is the Android os's fault? Doubtful.

As for Apple support, I have always heard they help out of warranty but when I had an issue with a sticky iPhone 4 button 2 months out of warranty they calibrated it, took it out back, said they they could see the issue, realize other people had issues with the home button as well, but wanted $150. I guess I was not the lucky one.
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:34:18 EDT

norbert26 posted : on Nov 26th i ATTEMPTED to abandon Apple. I was "upgrading" from the iPhone 4 to a droid razr maxx. Phone arrives VIA fed ex Nov 26th. Right off the bat i screw up the SIM CARD slot trying to get the stupid "door" open to install the sim card. After two hours the phone looks like crap with scratches all over the side from my prying the jammed SIM card "door" open. i finally get the SIM card in but during the prying something got borked and the phone keeps giving SIM card errors. I keep taking it in and out it finally activates but 4 G does NOT work . over the course of Tuesday the phone remains miserable to use and my patience wears thinner and thinner. On Wednesday morning by noon time i am in the process of going back to my old trusty iPhone 4. I could stand android no more. I will not attempt to return to Android anytime soon. However all is not well. I do NOT like the iPhone 5 either and do not know where to move forward phone wise from here.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:23:23 EDT

Michail posted : I'll keep my hopes up for Nokia Drive+. Microsoft and Nokia seem to be on to something. I hope they succeed. We need more than two strong systems in the smartphone market.

I installed the Inrix app to get a quick snapshot of traffic. Traffic routing is important to me on my daily commute. You never know what I95 will be like.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 19:11:24 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by itguy05:

They are not perfect but neither has been the navigation system in my cars or my Tomtom or even my previous Droid X.

Pretty much sums it up for all map apps.
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Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:54:12 EDT

itguy05 posted :

said by StyxKee:

I do not have a smart phone (iOS, droid or MS) but have a wifi droid tabletSince the map on iOS6 is a farce, how about trying out Waze (pronounced as "ways".

Thanks for letting me know the iOS maps are a farce. When I was in NJ in October they worked perfectly to get me where I needed to go. I use them when I go places and for the most part they work very well.

They are not perfect but neither has been the navigation system in my cars or my Tomtom or even my previous Droid X.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:41:11 EDT

JohnInSJ posted : So the traffic missing from drive is the issue?

I'd rather use drive - at least the routing and maps are accurate. Traffic is easy enough to check in the map app.

Bing maps use Nokia for traffic anyway : »www.bing.com/community/site_blog···ing.aspx
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:10:19 EDT

Michail posted :

said by JohnInSJ:

said by Michail:

In reality, what Apple offered is better than what is on WP8 right now but nobody is making a stink about it yet.

How is it better? The routing? The map accuracy? The spoken street name?

There isn't really a native, 3D, Voice, turn by turn navigation app on WP8. You would think MS would have made something native based off of Bing maps. One cool thing with WP8 is you can choose the mapping and GPS apps to execute from system integrated features.

There is AT&T Navigator, which is overpriced at $10/month and rough around the edges. Every spoken street name seems to come out spoken with a different voice.

Nokia Maps isn't bad but it is rather basic. Nokia Drive is in beta and may have some promise if they get a little more phone integration and add traffic.

So just the fact Apple has something is what really makes it better at this point. For an iPhone 4 it's probably dead even since Apple didn't add advanced features there. The little I did get to use on an iPhone 4s wasn't a bad experience.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:36:21 EDT

JohnInSJ posted :

said by Michail:

In reality, what Apple offered is better than what is on WP8 right now but nobody is making a stink about it yet.

How is it better? The routing? The map accuracy? The spoken street name?
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:58:26 EDT

Michail posted :

said by StyxKee:

I do not have a smart phone (iOS, droid or MS) but have a wifi droid tablet. Since the map on iOS6 is a farce, how about trying out Waze (pronounced as "ways". The application uses wifi or data from your smart phone data plan) for real time traffic? Unfortunately, it doesn't have an offer for Windows Phone.

»www.waze.com/

Oops...went way off topic.

Well, not really. This is a good example. Apple botched the maps. However, there was considerable public outcry and Apple went to work hiring some of the best in the industry to work on the problem.

In reality, what Apple offered is better than what is on WP8 right now but nobody is making a stink about it yet. Perhaps they may since Nokia sold out the Lumia 920 last week?

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:36:20 EDT

StyxKee posted : I do not have a smart phone (iOS, droid or MS) but have a wifi droid tablet. Since the map on iOS6 is a farce, how about trying out Waze (pronounced as "ways". The application uses wifi or data from your smart phone data plan) for real time traffic? Unfortunately, it doesn't have an offer for Windows Phone.

»www.waze.com/

Oops...went way off topic.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:22:44 EDT

Michail posted : I'm actually on a Lumia 920 right now. I really love the phone but still miss the iPhone some. I switched mainly to get a bigger screen.

MS really made a good platform this time and Nokia is putting forth a surprisingly good effort as well. It's just a little bleeding edge right now. My phone and OS have only been live a few weeks. So I am expecting some issues.

As far as maps go, they kind of suck on the WP8 platform right now. Nokia Drive is in beta and rumors are it may be getting traffic soon. Nokia has a 2D version that uses the same map engine that does have traffic.

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:08:19 EDT

Nezmo posted : If you are a newbie to the Apple world are you a lamb? Lamb to the slaughter comes to mind.
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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:45:15 EDT

M A R S posted : n/m

Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:14:34 EDT

Mike posted : I like Lewis Black too much.

I'm loyal to only myself. Apple stuff seems to work for me. When it doesn't work, I'll switch.

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Re: [iPhone] I miss being a sheep in the herd

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:55:52 EDT

not quite right posted : I tried everything else then bought into iPhone original thru iPhone 5 (only skipping the "S's"). If making a smart buying decision that gives me the best overall user experience makes me a sheep then so be it.
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