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vaxvms
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Re: [Info] Scroogled! Microsoft Gets Aggressive in Fight Against

said by Mele20:

If you use Bing, Microsoft tracks everything you do. So, why would you use it?

Because I don't want Google tracking everything I do.
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said by Sc0tt:

it's bad enough they list sellers by their payment status, but when they start blocking (firearm related) items i am looking for, that's the last straw.


Works for me ...

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Mele20
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said by vaxvms:

said by Mele20:

If you use Bing, Microsoft tracks everything you do. So, why would you use it?

Because I don't want Google tracking everything I do.

Then use Fx and Google Sharing extension. Problem solved.

»www.abine.com/googlesharing/
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said by NormanS:

Works for me ...

That is google, not froogle.

Mele20
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I've never heard of "froogle" until now. Plus, I used Scroogle as my search engine for years...so I don't even get the title of this thread. Scroogle was great...Google couldn't track your searches. When the author took it off line about a year or so ago I moved to Google Sharing so Google can't track my searches. I wouldn't use Bing even if their search was better because I don't know of a way block the tracking.
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said by LLigetfa:

That is google, not froogle.

So? Sc0tt See Profile was complaining about Google, not froogle.
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I guess the thing I don't get is the difference between searching on Google "Web" for something I want to buy online, VS going to Google "Shopping" and doing the same search.

Should they not return the same thing if one enters "Where can I buy X online?", as they are using the same search engine?

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Sc0tt
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reply to NormanS
no. he was complaining about google shopping. it still doesn't work for me, and just about everyone on ar15.com.

they have a serious anti-gun agenda as far as I can tell.

it is my choice AND my right. I don't need them to parent me.

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I don't get it either. I want to buy something I put in Google Sharing proxy.

I have no problems getting thousands of returns for the ammo some have mentioned here. Without adding a word like "purchase", plus the particular ammo, I get both shopping sites and sites that discuss the amno, etc. But that doesn't bother me...I just look through the first few pages and try the sites that sell the ammo and ignore the discussion/blog sites.
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reply to NormanS
Google shopping AKA froogle is different from google web. This thread is about google shopping (froogle).

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HA, HA! I just saw a "Scroogled" Bing ad on TV. It was hilarious!!


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[Info] Microsoft: You just got Scroogled!

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Google Throws Down the Gauntlet, Kills EAS Support
Google just declared war on Microsoft
...

There’s posturing and then there’s outright war. And make no mistake, Google just declared war on Microsoft.

In what appears to be an innocuous post to the Office Google Blog—it’s called Winter cleaning, for crying out loud—Google VP of engineering Venkat Panchapakesan—revealed that Google will be killing off its support of Exchange ActiveSync (EAS) for individuals. Google currently used EAS to sync Gmail-based email and contacts, and Google Calendar-based calendars to mobile devices, including iPhone/iPad, Windows 8 and Windows Phone, and even devices based on Android.

Oddly, Google will continue providing EAS for paid customers on Google Apps, as well as government and education customers. And it will allow devices that are already configured for EAS to continue working. So this begs the question … if you’re going to continue supporting EAS for millions of users, why cut of EAS support for millions of other users?

Because Google is declaring war on Microsoft.

...

More @ »winsupersite.com/mobile-devices/···-support


Winter cleaning | Official Google Blog
»googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/···ing.html


Related:

• Google drops Exchange ActiveSync. What does it mean for Windows Phone?
»www.wpcentral.com/google-drops-e···ws-phone

• Google drops Exchange ActiveSync support for free email accounts
»www.zdnet.com/google-drops-excha···cid=e589

• Google is dropping Exchange ActiveSync support for Gmail, hates being friendly
»www.neowin.net/news/google-is-dr···friendly

• Google makes Gmail sync harder on rival platforms by dropping Exchange ActiveSync for consumers
»www.theverge.com/2012/12/14/3767···ndar-and

• Google shutting down sync services in winter purge
»news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-575593···ag=title

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Mele20
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I suppose that is vaguely interesting if you use gmail...I don't so it doesn't affect me. I'd like to see Gmail DEAD as it has ruined email with its spying that is a lot worse than what Microsoft does.
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Re: [Info] Scroogled! Microsoft Gets Aggressive in Fight Against


Smith & Wesson Model No. 3 Schofield Revolver
I am a research archivist in my line of work the mantra is;
It is better to know how to look something up then it is to know it.

Most people fail to use Google in the correct way and utilize all it a can do. Don't just look at "Google" Google has a series of specialized search engines available. Click on the "more" tab look at the bottom of the pull down and click "Even More". Here you will see all of the services Google offers. Scroll down and you will see specialized search engines. Looking for a magazine article, a rare book, look at Google Books, a research paper, Google Scholar, a Patient, Google Patent Search, Trying to ID a image use Google Image Search. It goes on and on. Google books the last time I checked has scanned in some where around 80 million books. These books go back to the beginning of the printed book in the 16th century.

One of the thing people fail to do in Google is to just ask a simple question. Let's stay with the firearm subject. One of my favorite revolvers is Smith & Wesson Model No. 3 Schofield.
Search term: Where can I purchase a Smith & Wesson Model No. 3 Schofield

This question resulted in; About 69,800 results (0.39 seconds)
The prices range from many thousands for an original such as the photo above to around a thousand for a beautiful modern, shootable, reproduction.

Smith & Wesson custom shop is again making the No.3 beautifully engraved .
»www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/···orView_Y $4500 dollars

Or you can get what would be my choice, Uberti "Break Top",
No 3 Russian. $1013.00
»www.uberti.com/firearms/top-break.php

Just ask a question, it can be fun thinking up search terms.
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Re: [Info] Microsoft: You just got Scroogled!

Just go on thinking Microsoft does not spy on you big time. Unless you purchase one of the e Mail clients that doesn't when you do anything on the Net you just might as well get naked in a glass house.
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Sc0tt
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Re: [Info] Scroogled! Microsoft Gets Aggressive in Fight Against

I never said I couldn't get results for a search----I can't get SHOPPING results. if I do, there's like 3 results from PAID SPONSORS.

I frequent 3 or 4 sites for my ammo (the same 3-4 that 99% of the forum members use at ar15.com). NONE of them show up in google's SHOPPING results, and they're well known established businesses.

go to google.com------>more------>shopping and try to get any useful results.

when I type in "Smith & Wesson Model No. 3 Schofield" I get results for 2 holsters and a DVD.

when I search ".40 S&W ammunition" the closest I get to ammunition is spent brass.


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so the company that wants to rule the internet (possibly the world?) will filter it's shopping results and show only PAID vendors. that's complete bullsh*t to me, as they didn't do that around a year ago.

not to mention I can't seem to get prices on actual firearms. I guess they have an agenda...........

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said by Sc0tt:

I never said I couldn't get results for a search----I can't get SHOPPING results. if I do, there's like 3 results from PAID SPONSORS.

Funny how many times you have been required to state and re-state that in this thread. Never mind the wild co-incidence that this entire thread is about Google SHOPPING and what Bing is doing about it.


Sc0tt
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said by SipSizzurp:

said by Sc0tt:

I never said I couldn't get results for a search----I can't get SHOPPING results. if I do, there's like 3 results from PAID SPONSORS.

Funny how many times you have been required to state and re-state that in this thread. Never mind the wild co-incidence that this entire thread is about Google SHOPPING and what Bing is doing about it.

I guess reading comprehension isn't taught in school these days


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said by Sc0tt:

I guess reading comprehension isn't taught in school these days

More likely a good portion of Google users, and some of us who don't use Google regularly, don't know that there is more to Google than, "Google".
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Mele20
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Re: [Info] Microsoft: You just got Scroogled!

Why do you think I would use Hotmail or that crap Windows Live mail or whatever they are calling it now? I got rid of Hotmail back in 2004 when Microsoft changed their privacy policy. We had a thread about it here.

I really miss Outlook Express. I now use Thunderbird and Sea Monkey mail clients and Opera mail for dslreports mail as Mozilla based mail clients do not work with dslr mail server (sending works but not receiving).

For important mail I use an offshore provider and encryption if I can persuade the other party to use it. Since most wont, I rarely use email except for things like forum registrations.
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Mele20
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Re: [Info] Scroogled! Microsoft Gets Aggressive in Fight Against

said by NormanS:

said by Sc0tt:

I guess reading comprehension isn't taught in school these days

More likely a good portion of Google users, and some of us who don't use Google regularly, don't know that there is more to Google than, "Google".

No. We are just more privacy oriented than some folks in this thread. I would never dream of using anything other than general Google engine because I want any searches to be done via Fx Google Sharing extension so my searches cannot be tracked.
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SipSizzurp
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said by Mele20:

...We are just more privacy oriented than some folks in this thread. I would never dream of using anything other than general Google engine because I want any searches to be done via Fx Google Sharing extension so my searches cannot be tracked.

Thank you Melee. We need to be reminded of this at least every day. In each and every thread you can post it into.


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[Info] Microsoft Battles Google: "SWAT team"

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w w w . n y t i m e s . c o m
A Political Brawler, Now Battling for Microsoft

...

SEATTLE — Mark Penn made a name for himself in Washington by bulldozing enemies of the Clintons. Now he spends his days trying to do the same to Google, on behalf of its archrival Microsoft.

Since Mr. Penn was put in charge of “strategic and special projects” at Microsoft in August, much of his job has involved efforts to trip up Google, which Microsoft has failed to dislodge from its perch atop the lucrative Internet search market.

...

Drawing on his background in polling, data crunching and campaigning, Mr. Penn created a holiday commercial that has been running during Monday Night Football and other shows, in which Microsoft criticizes Google for polluting the quality of its shopping search results with advertisements. “Don’t get scroogled,” it warns. His other projects include a blind taste test, Coke-versus-Pepsi style, of search results from Google and Microsoft’s Bing.

...

“The concept is to create a SWAT team to work with the product teams on some of their toughest problems,” Mr. Penn said.

...

More @ »www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/techn···enn.html




Related:
Microsoft's DC insider could throw the kitchen sink at Google
»www.neowin.net/news/microsofts-d···t-google
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Microsoft warns: "Don't get Scroogled by Gmail"


»www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/scroogled.jpg
Snapped 2013-02-07 07:20:42

w w w . s c r o o g l e d . c o m
quote:
Have you been Scroogled? Try Outlook.com for email that prioritizes your privacy.

Think Google respects your privacy?
Think again.

Google goes through every Gmail that’s sent or received, looking for keywords so they can target Gmail users with paid ads. And there’s no way to opt out of this invasion of your privacy.

Outlook.com is different—we don’t go through your email to sell ads.

Try Outlook.com
Sign the petition
Tell Google to stop going through personal emails to sell ads

More @ »www.scroogled.com/

• See How You Get Scroogled! by Google Shopping
»www.scroogled.com/Shopping/

• Microsoft warns: "Don't get Scroogled by Gmail"
»www.neowin.net/news/microsoft-wa···by-gmail
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after reading this thread, I added to Scroogle to my list of search engines, but can't get there.

Keep getting an error message that says "can't find server" or "can't connect to server".

Is that search engine or add-on or whatever it is still in business or still up and running?

Allow tried to connect to scroogle.com and can't get there either.

What's up?

Mele20
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Scroogle was a search engine that made Google searches anon.

"Scroogled.com" is a webpage ...not the same thing.

»www.scroogled.com/
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Okay, go it that scroogle as a search engine is dead and gone the way of many good things.

Moving on...

=======================================

As to the Google extension for Firefox, do you have link for it?

=======================================

As to "scroogled.com", that site promotes Outlook.com as an alternative to Gmail.

How does Outlook.com compare with Hotmail.com? Sounds like they are both Microsoft operated webmail sites. Is there a difference between them?


AVD
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Re: [Info] Scroogled! Microsoft Gets Aggressive in Fight Against

said by LLigetfa:

said by Mele20:

You actually see ADS? You don't block those? GEEEZZZ....

THis thread is not about ads on web pages. It is about google shopping formerly known as www.froogle.com

Blocking ads doesn't stop you from being scroogled on froogle.

who uses google shopping in the first place. In any case its purely transparent that the shop pays to be included.

Are google search results biased? This would be the real scandal.

Typical MS B$. The days of competing on only marketing are over.
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LLigetfa

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said by AVD:

who uses google shopping in the first place.

I use it all the time to get a quick simple benchmark of street price. I don't choose a vendor from the list offered by froogle.
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