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Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:22:43 EDT

openbox9 posted : It sure does.

Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:16:43 EDT

DataRiker posted : The whole point of a conflict of interest is it doesn't matter.

Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 22:05:59 EDT

openbox9 posted : My point was, who's conflict of interest it is.

Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 21:19:58 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by openbox9 ]
I'm done with this silly discussion.

Declaring that a former regulator lobbying his old office is not a conflict of interest does make for a silly discussion.

Bizarre really.

Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 19:28:35 EDT

openbox9 posted : Umm, I can argue the same about you.

I'm done with this silly discussion.

Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 07:56:10 EDT

DataRiker posted : It is extremely obvious you don't know what a conflict of interest is.

Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 06:54:05 EDT

openbox9 posted :

said by DataRiker:

Do I really have to explain this??

Apparently so, because if that's occurring, it's not his conflict of interest, it's his former officemates'.

Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:09:08 EDT

DataRiker posted : Do you really think he goes through normal channels when dealing with his former office???? The same normal channels others people/companies are forced to go through.

Is that not a conflict of interest??? Do I really have to explain this??

Re: Corruption

Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:37:54 EDT

openbox9 posted : Obviously this discussion is going nowhere. You're focusing on something that may have happened, not what is currently occurring.

Re: Corruption

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:18:55 EDT

DataRiker posted : Yet you don't see the conflict of interest.

Makes sense......

Re: Corruption

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 20:00:58 EDT

openbox9 posted : I'm not defending it. In fact, I posted previously an option/suggestion to prevent regulators from moving to private industry in the same regulatory sector.

Don't tell me I don't understand something. You don't know me and it's flat out rude.

Re: Corruption

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:26:12 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by openbox9:

I understand the situation just fine.

No you absolutely don't.

I know people of every variety of political background and this is probably the universal ire of any American. The circular path between regulators and lobbyist. It is absolutely wrong on a grand scale.

It is unbelievable that anybody under any circumstance could defend it.

Re: Corruption

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:25:31 EDT

openbox9 posted : I don't need to get warmer. I understand the situation just fine.

I stated it a couple of times in this thread already, but I'll say it one more time. He doesn't currently have a conflict of interest as was implied. Any potential conflict of interest would've occurred during his last appointment.

Re: Corruption

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:21:20 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by openbox9:

He may have had a conflict of interest as a commissioner if he was working on securing his current job through promises and favors.

Your getting warmer

Do you think he was given his current job because he is such a good guy?

Re: Corruption

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:20:26 EDT

openbox9 posted : Sorry you can't seem to understand that he had a job then and he has a different job now. That does not guarantee a conflict of interest. IMO, he can't have a conflict of interest now. He's done with his regulatory authority. He may have had a conflict of interest as a commissioner if he was working on securing his current job through promises and favors.

Re: Corruption

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:49:25 EDT

DataRiker posted : He regulated the very company he is working for. Sorry you don't understand.

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Mon, 03 Dec 2012 10:03:49 EDT

openbox9 posted : Because you can't? You have yet to explain any conflict of interest. The man left public service for a private company in a business sector that he was knowledgeable of. If he gave favors as a commissioner with promise of future employment, then you have an argument.

Re: Corruption

Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:00:28 EDT

DataRiker posted : This is too silly to even argue.

Re: Corruption

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 23:24:33 EDT

openbox9 posted : You don't need feel sorry for me for anything. I explain my positions and I'll stand by them until someone is able to convince me otherwise. You haven't, yet.

Wouldn't the conflict of interest, if it existed, have occurred while he was at the FCC?

said by Dictionary.com :

conflict of interest
noun
1. the circumstance of a public officeholder, business executive, or the like, whose personal interests might benefit from his or her official actions or influence: The senator placed his stocks in trust to avoid possible conflict of interest.

2. the circumstance of a person who finds that one of his or her activities, interests, etc., can be advanced only at the expense of another of them.

Re: Corruption

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 21:56:36 EDT

DataRiker posted : I actually feel sorry for you having to defend such ridiculous positions.

Saying you don't see a conflict of interest ( which this is the very definition of ) is so over the top, nobody can take you seriously.

Re: Corruption

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 21:49:52 EDT

openbox9 posted : Morality loses every time. Unethical? Maybe. Slimy? Politics. Wrong? Your perspective.

Re: Corruption

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 20:18:40 EDT

DataRiker posted : As far as I'm concerned there is no "IF". Taking a lobbying position from a company you were supposed to regulate is immoral, unethical, slimy, and just plain wrong.

Re: Corruption

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:13:24 EDT

openbox9 posted : "If" That's why corruption is difficult to demonstrate/prove. The accusations are full of conjecture and hyperbole.

One way to prevent this "corruption" is to pay our public representatives/regulators significantly more money with tons of benefits and a nice healthy pension above what they already receive. Then prevent them from further employment once they leave public office.

I simply do not see that happening.

Re: Corruption

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:13:37 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted : It would be a conflict of interest if he used his former position of power to influence people that he used to work with or his connections to pull strings that others don't have access to. Lets face it, anyone with half a brain knows that is exactly why he was hired as a lobbyist.

It would also be corruption if he made 'arrangements' for this new job while he was still in office which included (for instance) reducing the regulatory authority of the agency.

Would you have a problem if the AFL/CIO started offering the Secretary of Dept of Labor a multimillion dollar lobbying position for when she retired? And then she in fact took it?

Not only does this smell but it is more proof that our entire political system stinks to high hell.

Re: Corruption

Sun, 02 Dec 2012 07:52:47 EDT

openbox9 posted : He has a different job now. It smells just fine. You may not like his positions or arguments, but I'm hard pressed to see a conflict of interest.

Re: Corruption

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:07:47 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by Linklist:

It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury.

Funny you never mention that about our Defense industry, and its best friend the State Department which has spent enough money in the past decades to give every American a house and health care 5 times over.

And yet we have nothing to show for it but more enemies.

Re: Corruption

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:05:47 EDT

DataRiker posted :

said by openbox9:

How is that corruption?

Are you serious? Its an enormous conflict of interest, not to mention suggests serious lapses of partiality and ethics.

I can't believe you even suggest this passes the smell test.

Re: Corruption

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 05:22:15 EDT

cork1958 posted :

said by old_wiz_60:

Absolutely! I wonder how much he was promised or paid while still working for the FCC? ALL government agencies are so corrupt that it's hard to figure out which ones are honest. The FCC and DOJ are certainly not honest.

Fixed that for you by just changing one lousy word!!
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:44:49 EDT

openbox9 posted : How is that corruption? He transitioned from one career to another. He's simply touting his employer's party line. Now, if you can point to activities that demonstrate actual corruption while he was an FCC commissioner, then you'll be on to something.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:19:43 EDT

battleop posted : EVERYONE should pitch in not just people making more than $250k. The 1% didn't get into the 1% by being stupid. If you try and make them pay more just because they are in the 1% they will figure out a way to pass it right back to the 99%.
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:10:48 EDT

NOCTech75 posted :

said by pizz:

so if i'm allowed to by the irs, i shouldn't according you right.

Only thing you should take is the standard deductions.. that's it. Make sure you pay the maximum amount of tax you can, lead by example.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:05:38 EDT

battleop posted : I never said they should be eliminated only that there is no such thing as "Free" health care.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:11:17 EDT

pizz posted : so if i'm allowed to by the irs, i shouldn't according you right.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:09:26 EDT

pizz posted : I'm willing to pay higher taxes so every person living in my country has it. I know that also i will not be paying higher taxes because i fall under 250k a year income, only people who have a problem with it.. Are wealthy people making over 250k a year, or people touting the republican/tea party line.

but hey i should enjoy paying out of my own pocket 11k plus a year on it.
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:03:40 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

quote:
Among the 47% there is no corruption or abuse of the system?

Yes, of course there is. There is also corruption in the Republican & Democratic parties and in the insurance industry. That doesn't mean they should be eliminated... when you have a system that you know is corrupt, you fix the corruption.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:57:14 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

said by Linklist:

If you pay for your own individual health insurance w/o any subsidy from a workplace, then you are paying entirely for your own medical costs.

No, you are paying into a system where your medical costs are paid by the funds of all the other contributors... then the system skims off whatever is left. I can see why he would be sick of paying into that!

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:56:41 EDT

battleop posted : I didn't say that. I pay for my medical costs, i.e. my insurance. It's built into my comp plan from my employer so it does cost something, i.e. not free.

" said Romney calls them the 47%, you simply call them people who 'sit on their asses and do nothing'."

Among the 47% there is no corruption or abuse of the system?
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:52:59 EDT

battleop posted : A subsidy from your work place is still part of your compensation package. It's part of your salary that's not cash similar to how you may look at a company cell phone, laptop etc where you were allowed to use it for both personal and business use.
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:46:04 EDT

Linklist posted :

said by CXM_Splicer:

said by battleop:

"Are we to assume that you pay entirely for your own medical costs?"

Yes.

Wow, no insurance or anything? You are either a millionaire or you are toeing a very fine line there if you get sick/hurt!

If you pay for your own individual health insurance w/o any subsidy from a workplace, then you are paying entirely for your own medical costs.
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:33:52 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

said by battleop:

"Are we to assume that you pay entirely for your own medical costs?"

Yes.

Wow, no insurance or anything? You are either a millionaire or you are toeing a very fine line there if you get sick/hurt!

said by battleop:

Maybe you can point out where I said the entire "47%"?

I said Romney calls them the 47%, you simply call them people who 'sit on their asses and do nothing'.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:18:21 EDT

battleop posted : Maybe you can point out where I said the entire "47%"?

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 18:06:59 EDT

battleop posted : "Are we to assume that you pay entirely for your own medical costs?"

Yes.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:47:00 EDT

VerizonCynic posted : well metaphysically speaking nothing in the universe is "free" (or without cost)

Sorta like the "you did not build that" line from Sen. elect Warren
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:34:15 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted : It wasn't an analogy but a problem with your flip-flopping definition.

What you (and many others) see as people who sit on their asses and do nothing, I see a group of people being left behind by the system... they are not choosing this. Many people like to portray that these are all lazy, worthless humps that sit around milking the system (Romney calls them 'the 47%'). This is simply not true; the vast majority of them are (or were) hard working people who either retired or fell victim to increasing profits. When you have businesses cutting back, laying off, and no longer paying for healthcare insurance as part of compensation packages, what exactly do you think is going to happen?

Are we to assume that you pay entirely for your own medical costs?

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:21:20 EDT

Linklist posted :

said by battleop:

I am sick and tired of having to help pay the way others who continue to sit on their asses and do nothing. We are slowly evolving into a Nation where it's too easy to sit on your ass and let the government take care of you instead of get our and work hard to get ahead in life.

Ain't that the truth.
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:08:38 EDT

battleop posted : That's a politician's reply for sure. Deflect and defuse. Come back with that analogy when Adtran is tax payer funded.

"are you just upset at the thought of healthcare costs being passed off proportionally to those who can afford it."

I am sick and tired of having to help pay the way others who continue to sit on their asses and do nothing. We are slowly evolving into a Nation where it's too easy to sit on your ass and let the government take care of you instead of get our and work hard to get ahead in life.
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Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:01:51 EDT

CXM_Splicer posted :

said by battleop:

Who's going to pay for his services? The government.

Where does government get it's money? From tax payers via taxes.

What do people use to pay taxes? Money.

Nothing is free.

Well, we only need to go up to the search bar to find:

»Re: Analog Voice Gateways

where you talk about Adtran having free support and free AOS updates. This brings us to a problem since you apparently don't hold to your own beliefs. Obviously Adtran factors the costs of support and updates into the purchase price of their products but you were willing to ignore that fact since you are not paying extra for support or updates.

By holding to such an extreme definition of 'free' you render the word meaningless. Are you trying to get this word (which you apparently have no problem using in certain contexts) deleted from the dictionary or are you just upset at the thought of healthcare costs being passed off proportionally to those who can afford it.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:21:47 EDT

NOCTech75 posted :

said by pizz:

And again as I stated. I'm willing to pay more taxes for free health care, paved roads, and other stuff, we in America do not get with our taxes.

Sure hope you don't take deductions when you do your income taxes.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:08:34 EDT

chgo_man99 posted : Said very well. I say those who say they don't like America and would rather live in another country, why they are not leaving and staying here? Ah yes, higher disposable income, cheaper life, better consumer market, etc etc.

No nation is without their problems. Taxes or premiums paid to healthcare companies whats the difference. In addition, most don't acknowledge that those premiums are deducted from pre-tax contribution unless you own private individual health insurance if you're healthy single or rich which is maybe like what 6% of population. I disagree with notion single payer system is the best. Germany has universal multi-payer system that is tons better than NHS in the UK. Not too mention many Britons have horrible teeth, because dentist care there is poor.

Norway, Sweden are in cold climate and have small towns compared to their southern neighbors. They can kiss with their 1-TB fiber optic broadband my a**, i'll settle down in Chicago with 20mb (and I have option to faster if I spend more $$) over Gothenburg or any middle of nowhere place. Fact is bigger cities, with higher population density in larger economic of scale are always gonna come up with higher COL, paying more in mortgage/rent for smaller space. And I rather have money from investors than taxes invested in info-structure. Its true the system is not perfect, many people want access to fast, short-term profit and believe in become-rich-fast scheme. Its greed, but the greed in government can ruin country and economy as well, not just in capitalist world. Its just more matter of balance and regulations. We have 401k invested in stock market and we all want high fast profit and yet stable, solid no loss low risk investment which two cannot go together.

Re: Corruption

Wed, 28 Nov 2012 13:52:22 EDT

battleop posted : Who's going to pay for his services? The government.

Where does government get it's money? From tax payers via taxes.

What do people use to pay taxes? Money.

Nothing is free.
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