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join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
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reply to cdru

Re: Is this well pit worth restoring?

said by cdru:

said by TheSMJ:

But then again, that sure would be a crappy place to die...

...but not nearly as bad as a septic tank.

Agree! My aunt used to have a septic tank that just had a wooden roof cover over it in the yard and one day they had to pump to clean it out and I got a look down in it..

Not a place you want to fall down into, I'd say it was maybe 10X10' square and no clue how deep.

They since changed to a covered unit which is smaller and filled up the old location..

Speaking of that I don't know why they downsized and not only that the tank is much closer to the house, like 20 Ft vs 50 Ft.

Never seen the new one opened but it's under ground with grass over it so not sure how it's cleaned out.
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scooper

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Youngsville, NC
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My septic system hasn't been pumped out since we moved in at the end of 1995. I don't think I've seen any house in my subdivision pumped out either.


Toadman
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reply to TheSMJ
In MI the health department keeps all drilling records and some are even online. If you haven't called someone yet Keller well in Brighton comes highly recommended.
I have yet to figure out the watering obsession in Lower MI.
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said by Toadman:


I have yet to figure out the watering obsession in Lower MI.

No kidding! When I lived outside of Buffalo most lawns were allowed to go dormant in the summer. Here, it seems like it has to look like May until the end of October.

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said by garys_2k:

said by Toadman:


I have yet to figure out the watering obsession in Lower MI.

No kidding! When I lived outside of Buffalo most lawns were allowed to go dormant in the summer. Here, it seems like it has to look like May until the end of October.

That's what we do. Grass gets watered every other day.

TheSMJ

join:2009-08-19
Farmington, MI
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said by garys_2k:

No kidding! When I lived outside of Buffalo most lawns were allowed to go dormant in the summer. Here, it seems like it has to look like May until the end of October.

That didn't stop you from installing an in-ground automatic sprinkler system!

Peer pressure is a bitch.

IF I get a sprinkler system, it would only be for the front lawn and only because the water would be free anyhow.


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reply to TheSMJ
HarryH13 is right!

If you have no confined space safety training you have no idea how easy and painless it is to die in a low oxygen atmosphere. At a minimum, after you remove the cover, ventilate the space with a strong portable fan for an hour before you enter it.

Unless you're wearing a harness (I already know you won't), a helper is useless. If you got into trouble, he'd crawl in to “rescue” you, and will just make it a double funeral. There are many OSHA recorded cases of “rescuers” piling up in confined spaces, until the supply of brave fools runs out.

About your original question, since the male half of the owners is dead, try asking the neighbors. If they are long term, probably at least one will know the condition of the well when its use was terminated.

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Re: Is this well pit worth restoring?

I was looking for a link an incident from a few years ago. A family member climbed in and then collapsed, one by one the family joined the rescue in the hole. They all died.
Extreme example, but I'd hate to see you as the topic of one of our disrespectful hindsight on a tragedy threads.

TheSMJ

join:2009-08-19
Farmington, MI
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Someone else would be there in case something happens. More than likely my dad. I could also fit a box fan over the trap door while I'm in there.

If this was any deeper I might be worried, but I stand at least a foot an a half taller than this thing is deep, and its not very wide. If someone had to go in after me they wouldn't even need to put their head below ground level in order to pull me out.

Bob4
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Unless there's a false bottom and it collapses.

TheSMJ

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Farmington, MI
said by Bob4:

Unless there's a false bottom and it collapses.

...into an ancient Mayan temple I could use to hide from the apocalypse which set to begin in less than 18 days!

Seriously though, unless I spring for a harness and a crane I don't really know what other option I have other than risk it. Of course having someone else keep an eye on me for the few minutes I'd be exploring in there wouldn't be an issue. I could drop a bowling ball in first and see if that causes a cave-in or something.


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I don't think they "get" what type of well pit you are talking about. That's why everyone is getting overly excited.
Can you post a picture so everyone can see?
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TheSMJ

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I'll post a pic once I get to the house this weekend.

kherr
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said by TheSMJ:

said by Bob4:

Unless there's a false bottom and it collapses.

...into an ancient Mayan temple I could use to hide from the apocalypse which set to begin in less than 18 days!

... No longer relevant, They have since found calenders in caves that extend for millions of years ...

TheSMJ

join:2009-08-19
Farmington, MI
reply to nunya
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Left side
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Right side
Visited the house yesterday and took a few photos of the well pit. Now that I look at it again, I can't figure out where a well head could be hiding. I didn't get a very good picture of it (glare from the sun blocks most of it) but in the second pic, just to the right of the bricks on the bottom left you can see the top of what appears to be a pump base, with part of the hose sticking out. Maybe that isn't part of the pump and it's part of the well head?

In the "Right side" pic you can see what looks like a power outlet for the pump just above that rusty pipe under about 6" of water. That makes be believe this pit wasn't supposed to have water in it at all.

robbin
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Leander, TX
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The round thing partially visible next to the glare appears to me to be a well cap. It would be attached to the well casing. This well may have (or have had) a submersible pump down inside the casing instead of a pump inside the pit as you were thinking.

kilovolt

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This will be kinda long winded. I lived in Novi for 20 years. Here's some background you should know about.

That is definitely an unused well pit. As someone posted before, they typically put them underground so that they don’t freeze in the winter. In SE lower MI there were a lot of these. But here’s a couple of good (and not so good) things to be aware of since you’re looking at buying this house.

The water table in Novi is VERY high. Flooded basements are not uncommon and most houses have a sump pump. A lot of the wells are/were shallow wells when they were drilled since you didn’t have to go far to get water. However that was before we had a lot of water testing and who knows what people drank in their water.

Orchard Hills Elementary used to be on well water – I know, I went there. I drank it. The water was downright awful. There were days where it was yellow, brown or gray. All that land around there behind the school was apple orchards, and they ran up to about Novi road and 10 Mile – and I’m sure you can guess what was sprayed at some time there. The school is on city water now, but man it was gross.

There used to be a landfill on Meadowbrook back behind Holy Family. If you do some googleing, there were issues back in the early 80’s with seepage of waste that oozing out of the ground during high rains. I have no idea where this stands but just be aware. Found this that might be of interest to you.

»www.cityofnovi.org/resources/Lib···ions.pdf

Also – there used to be an Amoco station at the NE corner of Grand River and Novi road that had some big issues with leaking gas storage tanks in the 80’s/90’s. They did remediation, but again just be aware. Water table around there had problems too. The soil is alkaline around there so add high water, and you get all sorts of corrosion on underground storage tanks

So if you’re going to use it to water your lawn that should be fine. But regardless of that I would pay special attention to all the fine print on your FEMA flood impact statement, as well as the environmental impact report when you go to buy the house. Remember, Novi was NOTHING until the early 1970’s when 275 was built and the mall went in. In the early 70’s Grand River, Haggerty, and Novi Road were the only paved roads. Most people off the main roads heated with oil or coal until Consumers power ran gas out there, so you might have an underground tank somewhere.

TheSMJ

join:2009-08-19
Farmington, MI
Robbin: You could very well be correct. I thought I had taken a better photo of it than that, but that's the only one I have where it's visible at all. I'll try and get a better photo of it the next time I'm out there.

Kilovolt: The house is in Farmington Hills (off of Farmington Rd between 10 and 11 mile). The Rouge River is the closest natural source of water to the house and that's about a mile away. The house is outside of the 100-year flood plane and on a hill about 15-20 feet above the street, so I'm not too worried about flooding in the area.

Since the house is now on city water and I have no interest in dealing with water softeners and filtration equipment, I have no plans to drink the water out of the well - it would be outdoor-use only. I might get it tested for potability just to satisfy my curiosity, but I'd only ever use it to water the lawn.


Raphion

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I believe, as someone else pointed out, that the wellhead is in the "door open" pic, on the floor under water, partially hidden by the reflection of the opening.

The pump would have sat on those blocks in your "left side" pic, and it's outlet connected to the pipe against the wall just above the blocks.

Not sure about other piping in there.