Topic 'MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification' in forum 'Security' - dslreports.com

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:39:09 EDT

StuartMW posted :

just wanna say i tried almost every paid antivirus out there an they are all buggy and some break the internet speed some exaples are

Well the ideal AV software would

• Cost nothing.
• Find and protect against 100% of all malware.
• Have no overhead.
• Be completely unobtrusive.

Since that's impossible, and to some degree dependent on the user, one must decide what they're willing to trade.

In the engineering world you'll hear the expression. "Time, cost, quality--pick two as you can't have all three". It's the same idea with any AV software.

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Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 14:04:44 EDT

seaman posted :

said by DelmarPip:

so what are the poeple that just got windows 8 with built in mse gona use ?

just wanna say i tried almost every paid antivirus out there an they are all buggy and some break the internet speed some exaples are

1.kaspersky
2.norton

I will add 3.avira
I tried to install Avira Prem AV 2013 on Win 8 and it warned me it is not yet compatible. They say they're "working on it." How late can you be? So lame.

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 12:51:31 EDT

DelmarPip posted : so what are the poeple that just got windows 8 with built in mse gona use ?

just wanna say i tried almost every paid antivirus out there an they are all buggy and some break the internet speed some exaples are

1.kaspersky
2.norton

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 10:17:35 EDT

Blackbird posted :

said by slajoh01:

I'm still wondering if since MSE got a low score as far as detection rates, then I would imagine the Win 7 firewall has a poor rating as well.

Why would that reasoning necessarily follow? Most conventional AV depends on up-to-date signatures and how those are employed, at least to a major extent. A firewall depends on rules.
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Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 09:48:31 EDT

slajoh01 posted : I'm still wondering if since MSE got a low score as far as detection rates, then I would imagine the Win 7 firewall has a poor rating as well.

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 04:33:04 EDT

ashrc4 posted :

said by Blackbird:

If you're going to browse anywhere and everywhere, clicking on whatever you see,..... whether you use MSE or some other AV will also matter little, because in the end, you'll get pwned regardless - sooner or later.

Perhaps they could install this on their "desktop" as a reminder of the inevitable.
»www.burnabrain.com/the-most-usel···ce-ever/

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Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:46:48 EDT

martg posted :

said by siljaline:

quote:
[...]Another security software testing organisation, Virus Bulletin, says Security Essentials’ performance is sufficient to justify its VB100 rating, which can only be attained by software that “prove[s] it can detect 100% of malware samples listed as 'In the Wild' by the WildList Organization” without generating any false positives.

Article fwiw

..and yet there's this Virus Bulletin chart that doesn't rate it as top notch:

»www.virusbtn.com/vb100/latest_co···ve/index

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Sat, 01 Dec 2012 02:10:48 EDT

slajoh01 posted : If MSE fails this detection tests...then that leaves me wondering how well does the built-in Windows 7 firewall performs....

Thats why i dont trust any FREE security software for this matter...If you want real security software, go for the payed ones if you really want to protect your data.

But no security software is perfect. Remember, there are also insider threats, social engineering and etc....One can trick a person on to clicking on attachments and links in emails and so forth even if they spend 1000s of $$$ on security devices and software.

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:39:59 EDT

siljaline posted :

quote:
[...]Another security software testing organisation, Virus Bulletin, says Security Essentials’ performance is sufficient to justify its VB100 rating, which can only be attained by software that “prove[s] it can detect 100% of malware samples listed as 'In the Wild' by the WildList Organization” without generating any false positives.

Article fwiw

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:22:49 EDT

sivran posted :

said by StuartMW:

What I'm saying is that a persons actions has more to do with them getting infected than their choice of AV.

Most important among these being: that they actually use the damn thing and not just disable it "because it made my game slow!!!" or something. 60% detection all the time is better than 100% none of the time.
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Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:55:25 EDT

seaman posted : Thank you for the post. However, I found story quite confusing and unclear. Has the effectiveness of this product taken a dive? The numbers look contradictory.

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 05:27:06 EDT

Snowy posted : +3

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 04:55:38 EDT

Rebrider posted : Plus 2

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Fri, 30 Nov 2012 03:49:05 EDT

Mele20 posted : You hit the nail on the head.

Plus 1

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:41:35 EDT

Blackbird posted : If you're going to browse anywhere and everywhere, clicking on whatever you see, then either you thoroughly know your way around computers, anti-malware and/or anti-executable techniques, and the technical aspects of clearing or cleaning a computer, or else you don't. In the first case, whether you use MSE or some other AV layer will probably not matter a lot because you'll have other security layers and know what to do if something does slip through. In the latter case, whether you use MSE or some other AV will also matter little, because in the end, you'll get pwned regardless - sooner or later.

On the other hand, if a user habitually practices safe hex and has perhaps only a layer or two of protection, then an AV's zero-day protective stats may matter a little more, since even the safest sites (or their ads) can get whacked with a zero-day. But still, the most numerous (and thus most likely) threats to be encountered are the ones that have been "out" for a while. So IMHO, an AV's response to zero-days is on the margin of importance. What matters more (and usually doesn't seem to get tested or measured) is how fast, on average, an AV brand incorporates detection of new exploits after they've been discovered, since the passage of time increases the chances of them becoming widespread and more likely to be encountered.
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Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:22:14 EDT

StuartMW posted : What I'm saying is that a persons actions has more to do with them getting infected than their choice of AV. There have been threads here, a few times, about whether AV is even necessary if you practice safe hex.

That said for people that have no technical knowledge and just browse and click MSE probably isn't the best choice.
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Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:16:22 EDT

Smokey Bear posted :

said by StuartMW:

said by gugarci:

...I mentioned that MSE 0 day performance was horrible...

So in your opinion brave people have nothing to fear and therefore an AV with miserable performance, like MSE, will protect them in an adequate way?
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Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 11:13:40 EDT

StuartMW posted :

said by gugarci:

...I mentioned that MSE 0 day performance was horrible...

I consider "horrible" to be a relative measure.

For those that expect an A/V program to have a 100% detection rate, including 0-days, while they click on every link in email/IM/text messages and frequent porn/pirate/media sharing websites then MSE probably isn't for them. Then again I doubt any A/V will save them.

To me the selection of A/V software involves more than just detection rates but to each his own.
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Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:49:37 EDT

gugarci posted : In older threat about free AV I mentioned that MSE 0 day performance was horrible and some people here roasted me.

Re: MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:29:41 EDT

StuartMW posted : Hmmm, appears to be a mixed bag.

quote:
Microsoft’s anti-virus application has achieved a detection rate of 69 percent in September and 64 percent in October for protection against 0-day malware attacks, including web and email threats.

quote:
As for the detection of widespread and prevalent malware, however, Microsoft Security Essentials has managed to achieve the maximum detection rate, with 100 percent in both months.

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MSE fails AV-Test, loses certification

Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:15:18 EDT

Smokey Bear posted : As the topic subject says...

»news.softpedia.com/news/Microsof···15.shtml